Anime confirms enma is power up
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Useless? When did the top 21 blade become useless?😂😂😂
He would have distributed this haki on the roof in a fight with kaido a long time ago. But as we saw, only Enma was pulling haki. You're talking nonsense. Because without enma (in your opinion) Zoro can't use so much haki and if he loses it, he won't be able to use the King of Hell. And this is nonsense.
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He would have distributed this haki on the roof in a fight with kaido a long time ago. But as we saw, only Enma was pulling haki. You're talking nonsense. Because without enma (in your opinion) Zoro can't use so much haki and if he loses it, he won't be able to use the King of Hell. And this is nonsense.
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Again you are ignoring the whole point of enma was that Zoro was trying to hold enma back. He was singling out when to let Emma draw his haki and when to try to limit it.
You are showing you don't understand. I never said Zoro can't use koh because he loses haki. I said he can't use because enma isn't there to draw it out. Zoro uses Emma to just a level in CoA making a green aura. If Zoro doesn't have that he can't go king of hell because he can't over draw haki like enma allows. Y'all act like you don't understand enma makes Zoro CoA better so it is a pu. Zoro is stronger with enma than without it.
You are showing you don't understand. I never said Zoro can't use koh because he loses haki. I said he can't use because enma isn't there to draw it out. Zoro uses Emma to just a level in CoA making a green aura. If Zoro doesn't have that he can't go king of hell because he can't over draw haki like enma allows. Y'all act like you don't understand enma makes Zoro CoA better so it is a pu. Zoro is stronger with enma than without it.
Luffy perfectly releases a large amount of haki in 4 gear. Haki masters can release without enma the amount of haki that is needed.
Here we see how Zoro HAS ALREADY (before acoc and king of hell mode) started blowing the required amount of haki to enme, because Zoro exudes "haki smoke" but the hand is normal.
And after that, Zoro gave 100% of his haki to other swords + acoc. That is, Enma doesn't care, she needs the necessary amount of haki, that's all. Zoro can give other blades the amount of haki he wants, regardless of the presence of enma. The essence of enma was in the lesson (so as not to be afraid to release a large amount of haki)
Here we see how Zoro HAS ALREADY (before acoc and king of hell mode) started blowing the required amount of haki to enme, because Zoro exudes "haki smoke" but the hand is normal.
And after that, Zoro gave 100% of his haki to other swords + acoc. That is, Enma doesn't care, she needs the necessary amount of haki, that's all. Zoro can give other blades the amount of haki he wants, regardless of the presence of enma. The essence of enma was in the lesson (so as not to be afraid to release a large amount of haki)
Luffy perfectly releases a large amount of haki in 4 gear. Haki masters can release without enma the amount of haki that is needed.
Here we see how Zoro HAS ALREADY (before acoc and king of hell mode) started blowing the required amount of haki to enme, because Zoro exudes "haki smoke" but the hand is normal.
And after that, Zoro gave 100% of his haki to other swords + acoc. That is, Enma doesn't care, she needs the necessary amount of haki, that's all. Zoro can give other blades the amount of haki he wants, regardless of the presence of enma. The essence of enma was in the lesson (so as not to be afraid to release a large amount of haki)
Here we see how Zoro HAS ALREADY (before acoc and king of hell mode) started blowing the required amount of haki to enme, because Zoro exudes "haki smoke" but the hand is normal.
And after that, Zoro gave 100% of his haki to other swords + acoc. That is, Enma doesn't care, she needs the necessary amount of haki, that's all. Zoro can give other blades the amount of haki he wants, regardless of the presence of enma. The essence of enma was in the lesson (so as not to be afraid to release a large amount of haki)
2. You are showing you don't understand. Read the chapter you grabbed the panel from. The whole point was that enma wasn't satisfied and Zoro wasn't being acknowledged by the sword because he was actively trying to hold it back. Zoro not holding enma back was what resulted in his new stronger haki and koh state when mixing it with adcoc. You clearly don't understand the manga and are mixing it with your head cannon and are wrong. You aren't reading the manga but looking at pictures trying to draw a conclusion read the chapter not what you want to happen. Zoro stopped trying to limit enma and let it draw as much as it wanted and it resulted in powerful haki. The smoke effect doesn't mean enma had the haki it wanted to be satisfied where on earth did you pull that from? And Zoro has always been able to use the haki enma draws how he wants this is nothing new.
That's how I read the panel. Zoro says that if I use haki so actively, I will die. He had already given Enma a large amount of haki on that page and Enma stopped drying his hand. Read his thoughts. And then he himself released the entire haki into three swords. Zoro constantly uses a one-man style, do you want to say that now all vado attacks will be without acoa? Lol.
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So let's slow this down cuz you jumping all over the place. Let's get a base line understanding of what we agree on.
1. Enma smoke doesn't mean enma has taken enough haki.
2. Enma does not absorb haki.
3. Enma has never been stated to use the haki it drained only for itself.
4. Enma is able to draw more haki than Zoro himself can output naturally.
5. Zoro is stronger with enma than without it.
If we agree on these as a baseline then I'll move on to the post
The thing was the shriveled effect was enma acting out and rebelling against Zoro. What Zoro did right after the panel was let enma keep draining without trying to stop it. No enma never stopped drawing haki it just it was drawing haki it was just working with Zoro instead of against him. No body can use so much haki that it drains there life which means it was enma pulling it. Zoro
Lastly I don understand what your last sentence was.
1. Enma smoke doesn't mean enma has taken enough haki.
2. Enma does not absorb haki.
3. Enma has never been stated to use the haki it drained only for itself.
4. Enma is able to draw more haki than Zoro himself can output naturally.
5. Zoro is stronger with enma than without it.
If we agree on these as a baseline then I'll move on to the post
The thing was the shriveled effect was enma acting out and rebelling against Zoro. What Zoro did right after the panel was let enma keep draining without trying to stop it. No enma never stopped drawing haki it just it was drawing haki it was just working with Zoro instead of against him. No body can use so much haki that it drains there life which means it was enma pulling it. Zoro
Lastly I don understand what your last sentence was.
1. Smoke on an Enma without "drying out" the hand is a sufficient amount of haki. If Enme is not enough, she herself takes too much and interferes with the user. 2 Enma sucks out hacks (not releases). 3 It has always been demonstrated that only for yourself. I can show dozens of frames. The blacksmith himself spoke about this. 4 No. After chapter 1033, Zoro can give out as much haki as he wants to any sword. 5 Zoro has become stronger thanks to Enma's lesson "don't hold back haki", but now, regardless of the presence of enma, he can use the King of Hell. 5 Lo used part of his life to maintain the room, why can't haki? 6 My last phrase means that Zoro often uses a one-punch style attack with a Vado blade. According to you, he will not be able to use the style of one sword in full force with any blade except enma, because (according to you) without her (enma), he will not be able to give out all his power to haki.
1. Again enma was rebelling because Zoro was using it wrong. You say you understand and read the manga but you don't get that enma was doing it because Zoro was trying to hold back his haki and not let enma take more than he was willing to give. The smoke effect doesn't happen if enma is working with Zoro not against him because now enma isn't forcing out but Zoro is willing and actively letting it come out
2. Ok so we both understand enma does not absorb haki but draws it out.
3. Ok show where the haki enma draws can only be used strictly for enma. It's never been stated or shown that is the case.
4. Again Zoro has always been able to use haki on all his blades. Enma doesn't stop Zoro from using his haki as it's only drawing it out. You are acting like enma controls haki which was never stated or shown.
5. The lesson wasn't don't hold back it was to understand your swords. Zoro can't use koh without enma because he needs enma to draw out crazy amounts haki to do it. Again you are showing you don't understand what you read.
6. Without enma he can not over draw his haki. Zoro can still use his natural haki limit as enma doesn't effect that. Let me use numbers so you might understand. Let's say zoro's natural haki limit is 10 then enma let's him draw past that and reach 15 but at the cost of his life if he uses the ability to long. This isn't hard to understand enma allows Zoro to access more haki than he's yet to master. That doesn't mean he can't use 1 sword style attacks. That's some crazy stretch in logic you are using.
2. Ok so we both understand enma does not absorb haki but draws it out.
3. Ok show where the haki enma draws can only be used strictly for enma. It's never been stated or shown that is the case.
4. Again Zoro has always been able to use haki on all his blades. Enma doesn't stop Zoro from using his haki as it's only drawing it out. You are acting like enma controls haki which was never stated or shown.
5. The lesson wasn't don't hold back it was to understand your swords. Zoro can't use koh without enma because he needs enma to draw out crazy amounts haki to do it. Again you are showing you don't understand what you read.
6. Without enma he can not over draw his haki. Zoro can still use his natural haki limit as enma doesn't effect that. Let me use numbers so you might understand. Let's say zoro's natural haki limit is 10 then enma let's him draw past that and reach 15 but at the cost of his life if he uses the ability to long. This isn't hard to understand enma allows Zoro to access more haki than he's yet to master. That doesn't mean he can't use 1 sword style attacks. That's some crazy stretch in logic you are using.
IMO the only PU that Emma gave to Zoro is when he understood how to really tame it which is not with haki, but with conviction of a King.
Before Emma, Zoro wanted to be WSS but his first goal was making Luffy Pirate King, Zoro was not prioritizing his dream over Luffy's, until he did that he unlocked his CoC which is what Emma wanted, a user who really goes after his dream before anything. What did Emma accomplish by this? It enable Zoro to use CoC in all his swords which is the real PU.
Before Emma, Zoro wanted to be WSS but his first goal was making Luffy Pirate King, Zoro was not prioritizing his dream over Luffy's, until he did that he unlocked his CoC which is what Emma wanted, a user who really goes after his dream before anything. What did Emma accomplish by this? It enable Zoro to use CoC in all his swords which is the real PU.
1. You again do not understand the essence. When there is smoke, but the hand does not dry, enma gets enough haki. For example, the roof. But when the hand dries, it means that Zoro does not give Enma the right amount of haki and Enma "get angry" and pulls out so much that it dries the hand. 2 Yes, Enma sucks out haki (but does not release it). 3 All the times of using Enma, even in Ashura when Zoro gave out the remnants of strength, only Enma was covered with ryoo(acoa). In all cases (there are dozens of them) up to 1033 chapters, only the enma had acoa. 4 Enma doesn't control haki, enma just demands more. Conditionally-in order for Enma to be "happy" she needs 100 units of haki, if the user does not give her so much, she gets angry and pulls a huge amount that the hand dries. Zoro on the roof allowed her to pull out these 100 units, so everything was fine. But according to Zoro, it was all risky and could cost him his life. Since chapter 1033, Zoro has given 100% of his haki to all three blades. Although, as I have already shown on the frames, even before receiving acoc, Zoro gave enma a sufficient amount of haki so that she would not "freak out"
Here are examples when Zoro does not give Enma the right amount of haki.
That's when it gives enough
Все просто. Энме нужно определенное количество хаки, если она получает их все в порядке, если не рука сухая. Никогда и нигде не упоминалось, что присутствие энмы высвобождает больше хаки, чем может выпустить сам пользователь. Это хедканон.
5 You don't understand this. It was never said that. It has never been said that Enma releases more haki than the user himself can. This is a piece of fiction. You just said that any Single Sword Attacks Without enma would be shit. And this is nonsense.
6 Who said he couldn't. Can. But not to the full (according to your words). For example (from your example) if Zoro uses Vado or Saida in a one-man style, he will not be able to give out all his power without Enma (15 units of haki) but only (10 units) and it turns out that with a serious enemy, vado and sandai completely lose relevance as swords. You basically signed that Oden and Zoro were dependent on Enma for 50% of their strength, and their other blades of the same class are just garbage. That is, in your opinion, if Zoro or Oden had lost enma and received other blades of the top 21 class (shusui, nidai kitetsu, etc.), they would have become noticeably weaker. This is nonsense.
That 's what happened when she appeared
Here are examples when Zoro does not give Enma the right amount of haki.
That's when it gives enough
Все просто. Энме нужно определенное количество хаки, если она получает их все в порядке, если не рука сухая. Никогда и нигде не упоминалось, что присутствие энмы высвобождает больше хаки, чем может выпустить сам пользователь. Это хедканон.
5 You don't understand this. It was never said that. It has never been said that Enma releases more haki than the user himself can. This is a piece of fiction. You just said that any Single Sword Attacks Without enma would be shit. And this is nonsense.
6 Who said he couldn't. Can. But not to the full (according to your words). For example (from your example) if Zoro uses Vado or Saida in a one-man style, he will not be able to give out all his power without Enma (15 units of haki) but only (10 units) and it turns out that with a serious enemy, vado and sandai completely lose relevance as swords. You basically signed that Oden and Zoro were dependent on Enma for 50% of their strength, and their other blades of the same class are just garbage. That is, in your opinion, if Zoro or Oden had lost enma and received other blades of the top 21 class (shusui, nidai kitetsu, etc.), they would have become noticeably weaker. This is nonsense.
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Why put words in my mouth? I've said plenty of times he can't use that much CoA without enma. If he can't use all that CoA he can't use koh. What does adcoc have to do with it unless you think enma controls CoC which I've never said. Y'all aren't reading but getting in you feeling because you want Zoro to do something he's never done. On the rooftop Zoro said he would put everything in his last attack against kaido. Zoro's natural limit was shown. Against king once Zoro stopped trying to control enma and let it draw out a shit ton of haki his CoA haki got drastically stronger. Zoro can not do that himself he needs enma. That's why he will die if he keeps using all that haki because it's not natural and something Enma is forcing. Enma is a pu because it allows Zoro to use stronger CoA.
1. For the last time that draining smoke effect was enma acting out because it didn't accept Zoro as it's owner. That's the entire point of chapter 1033 which you yourself brought up. Zoro didn't understand that sword so couldn't use it properly. Once enma and Zoro worked together enma didn't do it again and hasn't since.
2. Ok
3. For the last time Zoro was limiting enma and only letting it draw a certain amount of haki. Just because the effects on the sword doesn't mean he can't use the haki on his other swords. The other swords don't have haki drawing powers so why would they have aura's on them. We learned in TB with shusui if 1 of zoro's swords are stronger than the other that will throw off his attacks and engulf the other swords slashes. That never happened with enma and zoro's attacks they were all still balanced. The week before onigashima raid Zoro training was likely to get to that point of balancing his haki so enma wasn't overpowering his other swords .
4. Again you are not reading the manga. Zoro didn't give enma the haki it wanted which is why it was randomly forcing out a bunch of haki. How can you in your own words say Zoro learned the lesson to not hold back both then say he was giving enma enough haki before? He wasn't which is why he didn't have that insane haki on the rooftop because he wasn't letting enma draw as much haki as it wanted. Even Zoro himself said he was lacking. Forget arguing against me are you going to say Zoro is wrong about zoro's own abilities?
5. It has been shown because when enma was introduced it was stated it forced out haki of people that would turn them into husks and kill some. Even if your haki isn't good enma still forces out a lot of haki past your limit which is why it would kill Zoro if he kept fighting using that much CoA haki as it was past his limit.
- when did I ever say any 1 sword attack without enma would be shit? Go re read what I posted and where did I say that. If you can't show it apologize for lying. You are the one that keeps bringing stuff up and moving the goal post like talking about 1 sword style for no reason when it doesn't matter to enma being a pu.
6. Dude you aren't even trying to understand. The point is CURRENTLY Zoro needs enma to reach haki limit 15. We know for a fact by Zoro himself that on the rooftop that was his limit and his CoA wasn't as strong as with king. What's the difference between when he went all out vs kaido and when he went all out vs king? One he let enma draw as much haki as it wanted and the other he was still trying to contain the amount of haki enma took. This is common sense if you stop trying to put what you want in the manga and just read what happened. It's not to say zoro can't reach that level of CoA naturally in the future without needing enma just that he does now which is why enma is a pu. No kitetsu and wado don't lose relevance as swords enma power is just makes Zoro that much stronger. Just like shusui before enma made Zoro that much stronger not that the other blades were irrelevant. Like I asked before which you didn't answer when has Zoro ever gotten a new sword and it not be a pu? That has always been the case for Zoro literally since childhood with wado.
-Again you bring up something irrelevant Oden already mastered enma and had some of the strongest CoA ever. Zoro is not Oden last time I checked. With current Zoro yea if you subbed enma for a random Great grade sword he'd be weaker because he loses enma over draw effect. Oden wouldn't get weaker because his CoA was already naturally that high. It's not nonsense it's understanding basic logic. If you replace enma with a sword just as good ( great grade blade) but it doesn't have the haki over draw effect Zoro is losing a power why wouldn't he get weaker? Enma for the last time is a pu because it allows Zoro access to more powerful CoA to the point it can make a green aura.
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1. You again do not understand the essence. When there is smoke, but the hand does not dry, enma gets enough haki. For example, the roof. But when the hand dries, it means that Zoro does not give Enma the right amount of haki and Enma "get angry" and pulls out so much that it dries the hand. 2 Yes, Enma sucks out haki (but does not release it). 3 All the times of using Enma, even in Ashura when Zoro gave out the remnants of strength, only Enma was covered with ryoo(acoa). In all cases (there are dozens of them) up to 1033 chapters, only the enma had acoa. 4 Enma doesn't control haki, enma just demands more. Conditionally-in order for Enma to be "happy" she needs 100 units of haki, if the user does not give her so much, she gets angry and pulls a huge amount that the hand dries. Zoro on the roof allowed her to pull out these 100 units, so everything was fine. But according to Zoro, it was all risky and could cost him his life. Since chapter 1033, Zoro has given 100% of his haki to all three blades. Although, as I have already shown on the frames, even before receiving acoc, Zoro gave enma a sufficient amount of haki so that she would not "freak out"
Here are examples when Zoro does not give Enma the right amount of haki.
That's when it gives enough
Все просто. Энме нужно определенное количество хаки, если она получает их все в порядке, если не рука сухая. Никогда и нигде не упоминалось, что присутствие энмы высвобождает больше хаки, чем может выпустить сам пользователь. Это хедканон.
5 You don't understand this. It was never said that. It has never been said that Enma releases more haki than the user himself can. This is a piece of fiction. You just said that any Single Sword Attacks Without enma would be shit. And this is nonsense.
6 Who said he couldn't. Can. But not to the full (according to your words). For example (from your example) if Zoro uses Vado or Saida in a one-man style, he will not be able to give out all his power without Enma (15 units of haki) but only (10 units) and it turns out that with a serious enemy, vado and sandai completely lose relevance as swords. You basically signed that Oden and Zoro were dependent on Enma for 50% of their strength, and their other blades of the same class are just garbage. That is, in your opinion, if Zoro or Oden had lost enma and received other blades of the top 21 class (shusui, nidai kitetsu, etc.), they would have become noticeably weaker. This is nonsense.
That 's what happened when she appeared
Here are examples when Zoro does not give Enma the right amount of haki.
That's when it gives enough
Все просто. Энме нужно определенное количество хаки, если она получает их все в порядке, если не рука сухая. Никогда и нигде не упоминалось, что присутствие энмы высвобождает больше хаки, чем может выпустить сам пользователь. Это хедканон.
5 You don't understand this. It was never said that. It has never been said that Enma releases more haki than the user himself can. This is a piece of fiction. You just said that any Single Sword Attacks Without enma would be shit. And this is nonsense.
6 Who said he couldn't. Can. But not to the full (according to your words). For example (from your example) if Zoro uses Vado or Saida in a one-man style, he will not be able to give out all his power without Enma (15 units of haki) but only (10 units) and it turns out that with a serious enemy, vado and sandai completely lose relevance as swords. You basically signed that Oden and Zoro were dependent on Enma for 50% of their strength, and their other blades of the same class are just garbage. That is, in your opinion, if Zoro or Oden had lost enma and received other blades of the top 21 class (shusui, nidai kitetsu, etc.), they would have become noticeably weaker. This is nonsense.
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2. Ok
3. For the last time Zoro was limiting enma and only letting it draw a certain amount of haki. Just because the effects on the sword doesn't mean he can't use the haki on his other swords. The other swords don't have haki drawing powers so why would they have aura's on them. We learned in TB with shusui if 1 of zoro's swords are stronger than the other that will throw off his attacks and engulf the other swords slashes. That never happened with enma and zoro's attacks they were all still balanced. The week before onigashima raid Zoro training was likely to get to that point of balancing his haki so enma wasn't overpowering his other swords .
4. Again you are not reading the manga. Zoro didn't give enma the haki it wanted which is why it was randomly forcing out a bunch of haki. How can you in your own words say Zoro learned the lesson to not hold back both then say he was giving enma enough haki before? He wasn't which is why he didn't have that insane haki on the rooftop because he wasn't letting enma draw as much haki as it wanted. Even Zoro himself said he was lacking. Forget arguing against me are you going to say Zoro is wrong about zoro's own abilities?
5. It has been shown because when enma was introduced it was stated it forced out haki of people that would turn them into husks and kill some. Even if your haki isn't good enma still forces out a lot of haki past your limit which is why it would kill Zoro if he kept fighting using that much CoA haki as it was past his limit.
- when did I ever say any 1 sword attack without enma would be shit? Go re read what I posted and where did I say that. If you can't show it apologize for lying. You are the one that keeps bringing stuff up and moving the goal post like talking about 1 sword style for no reason when it doesn't matter to enma being a pu.
6. Dude you aren't even trying to understand. The point is CURRENTLY Zoro needs enma to reach haki limit 15. We know for a fact by Zoro himself that on the rooftop that was his limit and his CoA wasn't as strong as with king. What's the difference between when he went all out vs kaido and when he went all out vs king? One he let enma draw as much haki as it wanted and the other he was still trying to contain the amount of haki enma took. This is common sense if you stop trying to put what you want in the manga and just read what happened. It's not to say zoro can't reach that level of CoA naturally in the future without needing enma just that he does now which is why enma is a pu. No kitetsu and wado don't lose relevance as swords enma power is just makes Zoro that much stronger. Just like shusui before enma made Zoro that much stronger not that the other blades were irrelevant. Like I asked before which you didn't answer when has Zoro ever gotten a new sword and it not be a pu? That has always been the case for Zoro literally since childhood with wado.
-Again you bring up something irrelevant Oden already mastered enma and had some of the strongest CoA ever. Zoro is not Oden last time I checked. With current Zoro yea if you subbed enma for a random Great grade sword he'd be weaker because he loses enma over draw effect. Oden wouldn't get weaker because his CoA was already naturally that high. It's not nonsense it's understanding basic logic. If you replace enma with a sword just as good ( great grade blade) but it doesn't have the haki over draw effect Zoro is losing a power why wouldn't he get weaker? Enma for the last time is a pu because it allows Zoro access to more powerful CoA to the point it can make a green aura.
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