Questions & Mysteries Anyone want G5 Luffy to be serious and struggle against future opponents?
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Actually he struggled against Kaido a lot.
Kaido blitzed him, hit him with dangerous attacks and almost won the final clash.
That fight was very serious for Luffy.
Against Kizaru he also had his problems but not similar like to Kaido one since Kizaru was nerfed hard. Against Kizaru it was clear for Oda to don't make the battle a all out battle unlike Kaido one.
Agree with Gorosei, these guys didn't made Luffy really struggle, only Warcury did something but even then Luffy didn't even used adv CoC against them unlike Kaido or Kizaru.
Lucci was a fodder.
So from all fights he had, Kaido was the most seirous one where G5 also struggle a lot. And also against Kizaru a little.
Against Gorosei and Lucci, he didn't even used adv CoC.
Kaido blitzed him, hit him with dangerous attacks and almost won the final clash.
That fight was very serious for Luffy.
Against Kizaru he also had his problems but not similar like to Kaido one since Kizaru was nerfed hard. Against Kizaru it was clear for Oda to don't make the battle a all out battle unlike Kaido one.
Agree with Gorosei, these guys didn't made Luffy really struggle, only Warcury did something but even then Luffy didn't even used adv CoC against them unlike Kaido or Kizaru.
Lucci was a fodder.
So from all fights he had, Kaido was the most seirous one where G5 also struggle a lot. And also against Kizaru a little.
Against Gorosei and Lucci, he didn't even used adv CoC.
You mean Luffy vs Kizaru?
In my opinion Kizaru is a high top tier, same as Yonkou(not bringing up who is stronger or weaker).
I had Egghead Luffy close to that lvl but his timelimit and G4 control was not good.
Seing how Kizaru had power to feed Luffy after a strong attack and that Kizaru maybe has awakening? I think Luffy would lose to Kizaru.
In my opinion Kizaru is a high top tier, same as Yonkou(not bringing up who is stronger or weaker).
I had Egghead Luffy close to that lvl but his timelimit and G4 control was not good.
Seing how Kizaru had power to feed Luffy after a strong attack and that Kizaru maybe has awakening? I think Luffy would lose to Kizaru.
Eh I agree that Kizaru might be a high top tier and he certainly did pressure Luffy a lot in their fight, but I think Luffy may still win for two main reasons:
One: While Kizaru did indeed withstand Star Gun without a lot of damage (I'd say it did about as much damage as, say, Frapper Gong did to Oars, for example), that doesn't exactly dictate the fight. After all there's a great amount of top tiers who have absurd endurance- Kaido and Big Mom being obvious examples. Does not make them unbeatable, but it does mean you have to put a great amount of effort into KOing/paralyzing them for good. Plus Luffy himself has amazing endurance usually.
Two: I honestly don't believe Kizaru has awakening at all, mostly because his personality/behavior just don't match the theme of his fruit (akin to Kaido's personality not matching the nature of his "benevolent god" fruit), and it would also probably be too broken if he had it, since he's already one of the top 3 fastest characters in the verse without it.
With those in mind I believe that Luffy would likely win, so long as he can get a substantial amount of ACoA+ACoC attacks in while he's in Gear 5, before he gasses out. I don't know if he could do it or not only because of how the time limit for G5 seems to flip around a lot, for example against Kaido it seemed much shorter than some of his interactions with the Gorosei.
One: While Kizaru did indeed withstand Star Gun without a lot of damage (I'd say it did about as much damage as, say, Frapper Gong did to Oars, for example), that doesn't exactly dictate the fight. After all there's a great amount of top tiers who have absurd endurance- Kaido and Big Mom being obvious examples. Does not make them unbeatable, but it does mean you have to put a great amount of effort into KOing/paralyzing them for good. Plus Luffy himself has amazing endurance usually.
Two: I honestly don't believe Kizaru has awakening at all, mostly because his personality/behavior just don't match the theme of his fruit (akin to Kaido's personality not matching the nature of his "benevolent god" fruit), and it would also probably be too broken if he had it, since he's already one of the top 3 fastest characters in the verse without it.
With those in mind I believe that Luffy would likely win, so long as he can get a substantial amount of ACoA+ACoC attacks in while he's in Gear 5, before he gasses out. I don't know if he could do it or not only because of how the time limit for G5 seems to flip around a lot, for example against Kaido it seemed much shorter than some of his interactions with the Gorosei.
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Luffy was allowed to do FUCK ALL in that fight. If you call Kizau nerfed then Luffy pretty much did not participate at all.
Oda does not allow Luffy to wipe the floor with villains unless it is their time to go.
Can you imagine Lucci even laying a finger on Kaido? But somehow he is able to challenge G5 Luffy who managed to fight Kaido for an extended period of time. Thats how utterly nerfed Luffy is in such encounters.
Luffy was allowed to do FUCK ALL in that fight. If you call Kizau nerfed then Luffy pretty much did not participate at all.
Oda does not allow Luffy to wipe the floor with villains unless it is their time to go.
Can you imagine Lucci even laying a finger on Kaido? But somehow he is able to challenge G5 Luffy who managed to fight Kaido for an extended period of time. Thats how utterly nerfed Luffy is in such encounters.
Luffy playing with his opponents is serious tbh. That’s how he was pre timeskip with Water Luffy, trying to eat crocodile, putting Arlongs teeth in his mouth, the gum gum idiot he used against Enel, and other stuff like it. Luffys best comes out when he gets to have fun in fights. Like in the Kaido fight, him using Kaido as a jump rope was actually really fun.
I do agree G5 takes it to an obnoxious degree, but it’s still miles better than the overly linear fighting style his gears have been giving him tbh. Oda just needs to lower the reaction gags.
I do agree G5 takes it to an obnoxious degree, but it’s still miles better than the overly linear fighting style his gears have been giving him tbh. Oda just needs to lower the reaction gags.
I agree, but the techniques were built in Luffy fighting silly and free. It was Luffy having an idea, and trying something while everyone else thinking he was just goofing around.
The jump rope is the same thing. Luffy had an idea and just did it. as I said, it’s a lot more enjoyable (to me) then g4s whole bigger punch thing and I hate that Bajrang Gun is just Bigger punch. Just feels way less impactful
The jump rope is the same thing. Luffy had an idea and just did it. as I said, it’s a lot more enjoyable (to me) then g4s whole bigger punch thing and I hate that Bajrang Gun is just Bigger punch. Just feels way less impactful
Personally, I'm kind of halfway expecting a twist with Gear 5. I think Oda might end up revealing that the Nika powers themselves are a threat to the world. So, things might get more serious, but the stakes might come from Luffy struggling to control the Nika powers, rather than any opponent he faces.
We've seen in Elbaph that Luffy seems to be able to stay in Nika form longer than he used to be able to. Now, this could just be Oda being lazy, or it could be a plot point. It's possible that the Nika powers get stronger the more Luffy uses them.
So, it's not impossible to imagine that the Nika powers could eventually grow so strong that Luffy has trouble containing them. They might be the equivalent to a nuke, with the powers going critical if they reach past a certain threshold. Maybe he feels so much "Joy" that he can no longer tell friend from foe. Maybe he ends up warping reality so much that it just doesn't turn back, like how Aokigi and Akainu's battle permanently changed Punk Hazard with their fight.
But, I think it's telling that the Gorosei and Imu seem legitimately concerned about the Nika powers. This could just be because they're powerful, but it could also be because they are dangerous. See Chapter 1111, where Warcury asks "Do you have any idea who that guy is?!" I think they're actually worried about what those powers are capable of doing.
So, I just think it's possible that Gear 5 becomes more dramatic with Luffy dealing with his "madness", rather than because of a dramatic fight with a strong opponent. Luffy might end up accidentally crossing a line, and everyone might have to keep a eye on him. And freeing Loki does feel like a potential "crisis point" where that kind of plot point could start to come into focus.
We've seen in Elbaph that Luffy seems to be able to stay in Nika form longer than he used to be able to. Now, this could just be Oda being lazy, or it could be a plot point. It's possible that the Nika powers get stronger the more Luffy uses them.
So, it's not impossible to imagine that the Nika powers could eventually grow so strong that Luffy has trouble containing them. They might be the equivalent to a nuke, with the powers going critical if they reach past a certain threshold. Maybe he feels so much "Joy" that he can no longer tell friend from foe. Maybe he ends up warping reality so much that it just doesn't turn back, like how Aokigi and Akainu's battle permanently changed Punk Hazard with their fight.
But, I think it's telling that the Gorosei and Imu seem legitimately concerned about the Nika powers. This could just be because they're powerful, but it could also be because they are dangerous. See Chapter 1111, where Warcury asks "Do you have any idea who that guy is?!" I think they're actually worried about what those powers are capable of doing.
So, I just think it's possible that Gear 5 becomes more dramatic with Luffy dealing with his "madness", rather than because of a dramatic fight with a strong opponent. Luffy might end up accidentally crossing a line, and everyone might have to keep a eye on him. And freeing Loki does feel like a potential "crisis point" where that kind of plot point could start to come into focus.