General & Others Anyone who uses a sword is a swordsman. Yes, including Big Mom and Kizaru.

[Finalbeta]

Akainu was powerful enough to match Gura Whitebeard's physical strenght, except Magu was way more lethal

 

[ZenZu]

Wb who was half dead at the time who he treated like a nuisance. Ray would kill the wb kizaru blasted no doubt.

As opposed to ray who he couldnt get passed and was so pissed off he captured people in rage.
Why would he be pissed if had a stronger fighting style to go to ?

Nope. Kizaru was the second person to attack a fresh Whitebeard. First one was Mihawk with his sword (go figure), second one was swordsman Kizaru using jewelsmanship.

Again he attacked the "Worlds Strongest Man" fresh and weakened, no sword was seen in the entire war.

Try again.

 

[Albino 👑]

If you count kizaru as a swordsman it only makes sense to me to count all of the logia trio and marines in general
Again all of them being trained in it
Even vergo likely was but didn't consider himself one

Obviously unless kizaru is specifically called a swordsman imo

 

[OEKaneki]

Now that I think about it, Luffy’s probably the World’s Strongest Fishman because he did that thing that one time with Arlong’s teeth.

 

[Luffy is the mc]

I'm literally speechless that I have no counter argument... Not a swordsman matched one of the best swordsmen in the verse... Kizaru the true WSS...

Maybe he is just a good df user:smithnie:
Maybe.

 

[nik87]

If non swordsmen fight as good as swordsmen by using a sword what are those "true" swordsmen doing all their life?? Expect Sanji to match Zoro in a sword duel, he is skilled with a sword!

 

[HA001]

If you count kizaru as a swordsman it only makes sense to me to count all of the logia trio and marines in general
Again all of them being trained in it
Even vergo likely was but didn't consider himself one

Obviously unless kizaru is specifically called a swordsman imo

? You said it yourself he is versatile does he have to use the sword all the time ? Does fuji not throw meteors use gravity etc

The most weve seen him pushed even more than he was at the war was with ray he was even damaged and he chose to use a light sword. He didnt kick he didnt spam beams he relied on his swordsmanship

 

[ZenZu]

If non swordsmen fight as good as swordsmen by using a sword what are those "true" swordsmen doing all their life?? Expect Sanji to match Zoro in a sword duel, he is skilled with a sword!

Lmao all I see is whining that Kizaru is too strong and should be nerfed. Blame the author for making him such a versatile beast.

 

[Luffy is the mc]

If non swordsmen fight as good as swordsmen by using a sword what are those "true" swordsmen doing all their life?? Expect Sanji to match Zoro in a sword duel, he is skilled with a sword!

Well maybe he can do it with his kitchen knives. He was more precise than anybody when he cut cp7 member aka wanze.

 

[ZenZu]

? You said it yourself he is versatile does he have to use the sword all the time ? Does fuji not throw meteors use gravity etc

The most weve seen him pushed even more than he was at the war was with ray he was even damaged and he chose to use a light sword. He didnt kick he didnt spam beams he relied on his swordsmanship

Fuji carries a sword. Kizaru doesn't. Name me a confirmed swordsman in One Piece who doesn't carry a sword and you have some grounds to argue. Until then. Good luck with this weak argument.

 

[nik87]

Lmao all I see is whining that Kizaru is too strong and should be nerfed. Blame the author for making him such a versatile beast.

LoL all I see are excuses to avoid Kizaru being a swordsman.

 

[OEKaneki]

Fuji carries a sword. Kizaru doesn't. Name me a confirmed swordsman in One Piece who doesn't carry a sword and you have some grounds to argue. Until then. Good luck with this weak argument.

Well, to continue the logic of the thread, Luffy because he held a sword that one time. And again this arc.

Which, by the logic of this thread, means that he’s a stronger swordsman than Zoro, and that Zoro will never get to be the WSS because he’ll never be stronger than Luffy.

 

[HA001]

Well, to continue the logic of the thread, Luffy because he held a sword that one time. And again this arc.

Which, by the logic of this thread, means that he’s a stronger swordsman than Zoro, and that Zoro will never get to be the WSS because he’ll never be stronger than Luffy.

Could luffy go blow for blow with a legendary swordsman with a sword ?

 

[Luffy is the mc]

LoL all I see are excuses to avoid Kizaru being a swordsman.

He used his light sword and couldn't damage Rogers underling, he used his light beam and damage Rogers equal. Mhm, maybe just maybe he uses whatever he thinks it's better at the right time, a versatile fighter who doesn't give a shit about being a swordsman, a brawler or a df user.

 

[ZenZu]

LoL all I see are excuses to avoid Kizaru being a swordsman.

Excuses to avoid a guy who doesn't even carry a sword being a swordsman? What excuse do I need lmao, dude doesn't meet criteria #1 for what makes a swordsman a swordsman.

Blame Oda dawg, he just made Kizaru too strong. This is literally yours and HA001's argument rn

" he HAS to be a swordsman because he is too strong. "

Lmao good luck with that.

 

[HA001]

He used his light sword and couldn't damage Rogers underling, he used his light beam and damage Rogers equal. Mhm, maybe just maybe he uses whatever he thinks it's better at the right time, a versatile fighter who doesn't give a shit about being a swordsman, a brawler or a df user.

Lmfao lets completely ignore the state wb was in then yeah. All those marine fodders stabbing wb could they beat rogers underling could they ?

 

[Finalbeta]

LoL all I see are excuses to avoid Kizaru being a swordsman.

Fujitora proved us how DFs are not a factor to determine swordsmanship, in fact he is a confirmed-by-Oda swordsman despite relying mostly on his insane DF power.

Thing is everyone should understand using prominently a sword as a weapon is enough per se to be a swordsman. xd nothing else has necessarily to occur.

 

[OEKaneki]

Could luffy go blow for blow with a legendary swordsman with a sword ?

Ill give you time answer i know youre retarded.

Well, to quote @ZenZu here, you’re entire argument is “he has to be a swordsman because he’s too strong,” and that he’s a swordsman because of one time he held a sword. So, by default, the answer is yes.

 

[HA001]

Excuses to avoid a guy who doesn't even carry a sword being a swordsman? What excuse do I need lmao, dude doesn't meet criteria #1 for what makes a swordsman a swordsman.

Blame Oda dawg, he just made Kizaru too strong. This is literally yours and HA001's argument rn

" he HAS to be a swordsman because he is too strong. "

Lmao good luck with that.

Lol ill remind you on when he fights zoro with his light sword dont worry

 

[ZenZu]

Lol ill remind you on when he fights zoro with his light sword dont worry

I hope it happens that'd be a cool fight. More chances of that happening than Kizaru vs Sanji imo.