Powers & Abilities Are Hakimans the only ones who can use Emma?
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Depends on individual ambition since Enma scales to each user differently.
Enma was satisfied even with child Oden's level of haki that never used aCoC.
Enma was satisfied with rooftop Zoro's level of CoA.
Once his kingly ambitions showed up, Enma was satisfied only by largest amounts of haki ever released.
Enma was satisfied even with child Oden's level of haki that never used aCoC.
Enma was satisfied with rooftop Zoro's level of CoA.
Once his kingly ambitions showed up, Enma was satisfied only by largest amounts of haki ever released.
Imo the reason Enma was fine with kid Oden is because it was made for Oden. The sword grew as Oden did and eventually, it got used to the incredibly high levels of Haki Oden was supplying it.
So when anyone else picks it up it forces that level of Haki out of them, but obviously only top-tiers can sustain that level of Haki being constantly outputted. Zoro was initially able to force his Haki back and restrict its flow into Enma thanks to his level of Haki control. Personally, I believe that Enma saw potential in Zoro and was also calmed by the fact that Zoro wielded Wado Ichimonji.
So on RT, up against two Yonko, if Enma acted up Zoro would've died for sure. Enma doesn't wanna kill Zoro, it wants to test him and so it allowed Zoro to regulate it because even Oden couldn't have beaten these two together. Zoro's kingly ambitions have always been the same since chapter 3; he wants to become the greatest swordsman under the heavens.
He went all-out and his CoC seeped out in Asura. His CoC comes out when he holds absolutely nothing back which is not often in the manga - usually his fights don't go to extreme-diff. It certainly hadn't happened post-TS until this point and so this was the first time his CoC was stated to seep out on panel. Although he may have unconsciously used it against Kaku and Monet.
Now we move onto King. Zoro was struggling with a mere YC1 - this is a pathetic performance unworthy of anyone who dare call themselves Enma's owner. So Enma tested Zoro because if he fails here then he doesn't deserve it. Zoro passed the test and can now output Oden levels of Haki in KOH, at least that's how I see it.
@OP: Anyone can hold Enma and get their Haki sucked out casually. Anyone with good Ryou control can hold Enma and restrict their Haki flow so it doesn't get sucked out casually. Only Oden-level characters can appease Enma permanently.
So when anyone else picks it up it forces that level of Haki out of them, but obviously only top-tiers can sustain that level of Haki being constantly outputted. Zoro was initially able to force his Haki back and restrict its flow into Enma thanks to his level of Haki control. Personally, I believe that Enma saw potential in Zoro and was also calmed by the fact that Zoro wielded Wado Ichimonji.
So on RT, up against two Yonko, if Enma acted up Zoro would've died for sure. Enma doesn't wanna kill Zoro, it wants to test him and so it allowed Zoro to regulate it because even Oden couldn't have beaten these two together. Zoro's kingly ambitions have always been the same since chapter 3; he wants to become the greatest swordsman under the heavens.
He went all-out and his CoC seeped out in Asura. His CoC comes out when he holds absolutely nothing back which is not often in the manga - usually his fights don't go to extreme-diff. It certainly hadn't happened post-TS until this point and so this was the first time his CoC was stated to seep out on panel. Although he may have unconsciously used it against Kaku and Monet.
Now we move onto King. Zoro was struggling with a mere YC1 - this is a pathetic performance unworthy of anyone who dare call themselves Enma's owner. So Enma tested Zoro because if he fails here then he doesn't deserve it. Zoro passed the test and can now output Oden levels of Haki in KOH, at least that's how I see it.
@OP: Anyone can hold Enma and get their Haki sucked out casually. Anyone with good Ryou control can hold Enma and restrict their Haki flow so it doesn't get sucked out casually. Only Oden-level characters can appease Enma permanently.
This is where I absolutely disagree.
Everyone would struggle with "mere YC1" King, including Oden and whoever you can think of.
Especially if they are trying to compete with King in raw strength without using aCoC.
ACoC or no aCoC, everyone is forced to struggle with King because he cant be damaged with flames.
Also, KOH level output of haki is not Oden's level since he never displayed anything even close to it.
King of Hell with green fumes is a Zoro-only thing, just like Asura is Zoro-only thing.
Everyone would struggle with "mere YC1" King, including Oden and whoever you can think of.
Especially if they are trying to compete with King in raw strength without using aCoC.
ACoC or no aCoC, everyone is forced to struggle with King because he cant be damaged with flames.
Also, KOH level output of haki is not Oden's level since he never displayed anything even close to it.
King of Hell with green fumes is a Zoro-only thing, just like Asura is Zoro-only thing.
I disagree but let's assume that King can't be damaged with ACoC either. There's a massive difference between pummeling someone repeatedly who just happens to keep getting up and actually struggling to defeat someone.
RT Zoro was at risk of losing to King. Compare that to Luffy/Zoro vs the seraphims where they aren't at risk of losing at all. Or Katakuri vs pre-FS Luffy where it was stated that Katakuri was beating the shit out of Luffy who just kept getting up.
That's what top-tiers would do to King. They bully the shit out of him, he'd be getting ragdolled left right and centre and he would be completely unable to land so much as a hit on them because they outclass him in every stat except for durability. So he's a glorified punching bag. Rest assured, for RT Zoro to struggle with King is embarrassing for Enma. King couldn't even land a hit on a KOH Zoro just figuring out his new limits.
So no, not everyone struggles the same way with King. They may struggle to put King down for good, but King is of absolutely no threat to top-tiers whatsoever. Whereas he was dominating RT Zoro regardless of whether his flame was on or off, and that is embarrassing for a sword used to Oden's caliber.
RT Zoro was at risk of losing to King. Compare that to Luffy/Zoro vs the seraphims where they aren't at risk of losing at all. Or Katakuri vs pre-FS Luffy where it was stated that Katakuri was beating the shit out of Luffy who just kept getting up.
That's what top-tiers would do to King. They bully the shit out of him, he'd be getting ragdolled left right and centre and he would be completely unable to land so much as a hit on them because they outclass him in every stat except for durability. So he's a glorified punching bag. Rest assured, for RT Zoro to struggle with King is embarrassing for Enma. King couldn't even land a hit on a KOH Zoro just figuring out his new limits.
So no, not everyone struggles the same way with King. They may struggle to put King down for good, but King is of absolutely no threat to top-tiers whatsoever. Whereas he was dominating RT Zoro regardless of whether his flame was on or off, and that is embarrassing for a sword used to Oden's caliber.
I dont think we will agree on this matter because you heavily underestimate King.
You dont understand that Roger, Shanks, Mihawk, Oden would be ragdolled by King if they were trying to compete with him in raw strength while not using aCoC because that's what Zoro was trying to do before he got aCoC and mind you that Zoro is physically more powerful than all of those listed. They would fare worse than Zoro who King didnt manage to hit cleanly even once in the whole battle.
King will always be a thread to top tiers because he is a top tier as well. He is far more than just an invulnerable punching bag.
Actually, the battle between pre-aCoC Zoro and King was in Zoro's favor regardless of King overpowering him in direct raw power competition. Zoro is the one who was landing clean hits while not being hit cleanly once. All damage King dealt to Zoro was passive damage as result of being overpowered and sent flying into walls and kicking him while he is flying after his swords.
Zoro was superior the whole time even tho he couldnt match King's raw physical power, he simply didnt know that attacking King with flames is pointless.
You dont understand that Roger, Shanks, Mihawk, Oden would be ragdolled by King if they were trying to compete with him in raw strength while not using aCoC because that's what Zoro was trying to do before he got aCoC and mind you that Zoro is physically more powerful than all of those listed. They would fare worse than Zoro who King didnt manage to hit cleanly even once in the whole battle.
King will always be a thread to top tiers because he is a top tier as well. He is far more than just an invulnerable punching bag.
Actually, the battle between pre-aCoC Zoro and King was in Zoro's favor regardless of King overpowering him in direct raw power competition. Zoro is the one who was landing clean hits while not being hit cleanly once. All damage King dealt to Zoro was passive damage as result of being overpowered and sent flying into walls and kicking him while he is flying after his swords.
Zoro was superior the whole time even tho he couldnt match King's raw physical power, he simply didnt know that attacking King with flames is pointless.
