Chapter Discussion Are the Beasts Pirates both cooler and notably stronger than the Big Mom Pirates?

[DarkWitch]

"Tobi Roppo doesn't look cooler than Veterans" "BMP over Beast Pirates"

Black Maria > Smoothie. Ulti > all female in BM crew

It's not like people have opinions on which characters they think is cooler.

As I have said this before some people here are massive fucking hypocrites, they were originally bashing on the Beasts Pirates during Act 1 and Act 2 of the Wano arc but are now suddenly praising them. We haven't seen that much from the Tobi Roppo as characters yet or even seen them in action with the exception of X Drake and Page One, later on some of the people that are praising them will soon bash on them when they don't end up being what they want them to be especially if it's during the fights.

I don't have any problem if some people think the Tobi Roppo are cooler than the Veterans we all have our own personal
preferences heck I already like Sasaki's design a bit more than Oven so far, but posts like yours just makes you come off as being petty and a douche.

The Beasts Pirates is definitely looks way cooler than the Big Mom Pirates but I don't think that the Beasts Pirates is stronger tbh

This isn't directed at you but some of the people that think the Beasts Pirates look cooler are only saying that because we finally got to see the rest of the Tobi Roppo, before that they were saying that the Beasts Pirates were trash and looked horrible because of characters like Holdem and Dobon and I'm pretty sure the same people are going to bash on the Beasts Pirates again when their expectations for them aren't seen during the war.

 

[Gon’s Missing Arm]

It's not like people have opinions on which characters they think is cooler.

As I have said this before some people here are massive fucking hypocrites, they were originally bashing on the Beasts Pirates during Act 1 and Act 2 of the Wano arc but are now suddenly praising them. We haven't seen that much from the Tobi Roppo as characters yet or even seen them in action with the exception of X Drake and Page One, later on some of the people that are praising them will soon bash on them when they don't end up being what they want them to be especially if it's during the fights.

I don't have any problem if some people think the Tobi Roppo are cooler than the Veterans we all have our own personal
preferences heck I already like Sasaki's design a bit more than Oven so far, but posts like yours just makes you come off as being petty and a douche.




This isn't directed at you but some of the people that think the Beasts Pirates look cooler are only saying that because we finally got to see the rest of the Tobi Roppo, before that they were saying that the Beasts Pirates were trash and looked horrible because of characters like Holdem and Dobon and I'm pretty sure the same people are going to bash on the Beasts Pirates again when their expectations for them aren't seen during the war.

lol hope I didn't hurt any one's feelings just stating my opinion :smithnie:, seen some over-wank in the thread so need to balance with counter wank, but imo Page won has already proven himself more with his fight vs Sanji than with lets say Daifuku vs Sanji. so if he is really weakest, I don't think they will perform too badly.

 

[S.W317]

Idk man after so manny L ‘s that Big Mom and her crew have taken these clowns still defend them. Its hard to admit that they are trash. Katakuri and Perorin are the only strong ones.

You're the only trash I see here. *,sigh* anime fans are the most stupid human beings confirmed

 

[Finalbeta]

Cooler yes because Beasts can be very good looking, expecially for animal lovers like I am IRL.

 

[ShinmenTakezo]

Yep and yep, hence why BM needed Germa technology

 

[Daisuke Jigen]

The Beast Pirates have the Memeslayer, so yes.

 

[Charlotte Horchata]

References don't always make for better designs.I don't even think they should ever be brought up.The final product is what matters and that's subjective.
I am not saying Oven and Daifuku are bad , but there's nothing striking about them.
Compote is just a Big Mom jr and her impact on the whole arc was beyond pathetic.Smoothie looks a bit better but was equally unimportant despite her implied strength.

Of course references should be brought up because they're a significant part in the final product and requiered to fully understand it. And I'm not saying that they authomatically make for better designs, but if they're well implemented they commonly do.

If you don't bring up the references to an owl in Bobbin's design you will never understand properly why he looks like that in the context of his character and, therefore, any judgement you may possibly make on his design will be inherently flawed. So you may be thinking that his design should have been made in some different way that would actually destroy Oda's work since you didn't even catch what he was conveying in the first place.

Same for Perospero: the moment you don't bring up his Child Catcher inspiration you won't fully appreciate his candy theme nor his scenes with kids, and if you ignore who Prospero the magician is you will hardly assess as you should the wizardy elements in Perospero's look (e.g. his stick candy crosier) simply because you will lack the grounds to signify them and will come across as arbitrary, irrelevant, etc. and, therefore, modifiable (even though such modification may, as I said, screw up the design as it was conceived and executed). This only talking about references in his design.

What does "striking" even mean, anyways? What is more "striking" (more importantly: why) among the Tobi Roppo than the creative idea of associating stuffed mochi with the genie in a lamp? And how should Daifuku look in order to make "a final product" of quality? His body shape, his proportions...? Because all of them seem chosen to evoke the bulging, hollow, artificial shapes of a lamp plus the roundness of said mochi. And all of that produces a creative and smart design.

Anyways, I'm reticent to your "the final product is subjective" assertion. My personal experience has shown me that when people state "it is subjective" actually say "I'm depending on my personal biases and I haven't really overcome them so I can't distinguish quality nor even discern why I like something". I'm not saying that you're like that, let's get that right, and certainly there's a certain amount of subjectivity when it comes to liking a design or another better; but this legitimate subjectivity only appears when you've deeply studied things like rhetorics, references, visual psychology and so on, and you're capable of detecting them and give them their deserved weight in design.

 

[Worst]

I'd say that BMP are more versatile and more deadly in a planned battle cuz of their Intel and overall with all their crazy powers they can shine in every situation without being too op or too weak, but on a brute force battle I'd say BP walk through pretty much everyone, they're not a crew u can blindly attack and overwhelm them cuz they overwhelm you... BP are muscles, they are Zoans the only thing they can do is punch and they punch fking hard and you don't join in a punching contest Vs someone who punches harder than you, now obviously brute force is not everything especially in a War so maybe they can have harder time than the BMP in some situations, but overall I think they're stronger....
(They're also crazy maniacs that are mostly moody and loose control easily I bet in the battlefield it's a mess when they go to war Vs someone else.... )

 

[Monkey D Theories]

To add to my overall point of the beast pirates being individually stronger but the Big mom pirates being overall stronger, I think you guys fail to take into account the utter hax of the soru soru no mi.

If totto land was ever under threat of invasion, Big Mom could essentially double or triple the size of the big mom pirates by using the soru soru no mi to its full extent.

Since all the souls taken by the soru soru no mi can be returned to their original owner, as proven by moscato being alive, big mom could essentially employ a strategy like this.

• She could go to every island in totland and use her DF awakening to steal the entire lifespans of every civilian in her kingdom. Their bodies would then be put into the mirror world for protection.
• afterwords, she would take the lifespan of every member of the big mom pirates until every big mom pirate only had one year to live. She would do this to herself and remove almost all of the soul in her body except for maybe a year's worth of soul.

using the souls of all of totland, she could create an immensely powerful homie army. For the souls of civilians, who might not be that strong, she could put their souls into the bodies of cracker soldiers, thereby turning all civilians into highly powerful fighters. She could make multiple copies of zeus and prometheus, allowing her to control the weather throughout the entirety of totland. She could create candy sea slug homies which are capable of controlling the candy oceans. She could use the souls of the sweet commanders to create high tier homies, essentially allowing her to clone the sweet commanders.

Homies cannot be killed by conventional methods. This was shown when Prometheus took no damage from Luffy's punches and then again when Zeus and King Balm(a normal homie not made from big mom's soul) was able to survive getting split in half.

Could King beat katakuri? Possibly. But could King beat Katakuri along with a fire homie made from Katakuri's own soul? That is debatable.

 

[Jackteo]

They are uglier and weaker

 

[Gon’s Missing Arm]

I remember when Oda said in Wano the stawhats will need to overcome their *greatest enemy ever* related to Whitebeard,
Kaido and the BP

 

[bluefire12]

Not hyping up King he just basically a dino Daz