Future Events Are The Marines Even Villains At This Point?

[EmperorKinyagi]

So, it looks like I'm probably going to take an L about Luffy vs Kizaru continuing, and a W on Kizaru not being down/done for this arc.

That being said, it is obvious, like 100000000% likelihood obvious, that Kizaru is going to betray here, whether it's an outright fight against Saturn or something more subtle (like him being an Uber Eats driver for Luffy).

This has caused a major change in how I see the story personally since I always assumed the Marines would be on the side of the WG during the final war, but now I doubt it.

Fujitora - good guy
Aokiji - good guy
Kizaru - good guy
Greenbull - bad guy (but he has a tragic backstory that Oda could do something with)
Akainu - bad guy

Narratively speaking the only marine that definitely has to fall is Akainu, and honestly, I'm not even 100% sure about that.

The thing is too, the Marines don't have to be villains because even if you take them away, the government remains utterly stacked:
- Imu and the Gorosei
- The Holy Knights
- The Seraphim
- A possible ancient weapon
- More unrevealed shit?

At this point the Navy seems more like a group of important side characters than antagonists.

Bonus question for Zoro and Sanji fans? Are you ok if they never fight admirals? Not power scaling wise but just narrative/cool fight wise? I always thought we'd get them agaisnt admirals eventually but I guess not.

 

[Foul Legacy]

Greenbull - bad guy (but he has a tragic backstory that Oda could do something with)
Akainu - bad guy

Akaiu probably got a sad past as well and following "Absolute" justice.
Greenbull is a straight asshole though. He's like another Gorosei Butler.

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

Akaiu probably got a sad past as well and following "Absolute" justice.
Greenbull is a straight asshole though. He's like another Gorosei Butler.

I think Oda is going to cook with Greenbull character-wise later at some point.

He's put way more effort into Kuzan and Kizaru's characterization than I thought he would, so I expect him to add to Issho and Aramaki at some point.

The thing with Akainu, he directly represents Absolute/Thorough Justice, so narratively he for sure has to lose.

 

[Foul Legacy]

I think Oda is going to cook with Greenbull character-wise later at some point.

He's put way more effort into Kuzan and Kizaru's characterization than I thought he would, so I expect him to add to Issho and Aramaki at some point.

The thing with Akainu, he directly represents Absolute/Thorough Justice, so narratively he for sure has to lose.

Greenbull is more like tereso (I don't know if I spelled him rigjt) but the Gold logia user from one piece film gold.

Also the "double suicide" tattoo on his chest.
He got something cooking for sure.

 

[nik87]

They were never the villains people expected them to be.
They are soldiers who follow orders from above.
And I dont think their position will change any time soon.
Even Fujitora will probably be deployed to fight for them.

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

They were never the villains people expected them to be.
They are soldiers who follow orders from above.
And I dont think their position will change any time soon.
Even Fujitora will probably be deployed to fight for them.

Nah.

Let's face it Nik, Zoro/Mihawk vs admirals probably isn't happening.

You should gas up Venus while you can

 

[Sir Yasheen]

They’re anti pirates which makes them antagonistic. But the marines being seen as a good thing in the verse is why luffy wont take them down.

And why cross guild will

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

They’re anti pirates which makes them antagonistic. But the marines being seen as a good thing in the verse is why luffy wont take them down.

And why cross guild will

Least obvious Crocodile glazer:

 

[Yoho]

The marines have always operated I'm a morally Grey Zone

 

[nik87]

Nah.

Let's face it Nik, Zoro/Mihawk vs admirals probably isn't happening.

You should gas up Venus while you can

I have always said Gandhi with supreme sword is superior than Admirals but that doesnt really matter here.
I think Zoro vs Kizaru will happen on Egghead. Mihawk vs Admiral was never my idea or a scenario that I thought would happen.
Marines have no other choice than fighting for WG in the war, they cannot rebel, especially with Akainu hating Pirates...
Even Fujitora will do his job, imo. Despite not being a bad guy.

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

I have always said Gandhi with supreme sword is superior than Admirals but that doesnt really matter here.
I think Zoro vs Kizaru will happen on Egghead. Mihawk vs Admiral was never my idea or a scenario that I thought would happen.
Marines have no other choice than fighting for WG in the war, they cannot rebel, especially with Akainu hating Pirates...
Even Fujitora will do his job, imo. Despite not being a bad guy.

It's not even a power scaling thing, I just don't feel like the marines are villain anymore.

It sucks to be honest, I've been hyped for Zoro/Sanji vs admirals for like half a decade

 

[Monkey D Theories]

only GB and Akainu

Post automatically merged: Jan 10, 2024

Oh also Black horse

 

[Mathias]

At this point, even with the Seraphims, Imu already lost the final war

 

[Yoho]

It's not even a power scaling thing, I just don't feel like the marines are villain anymore.

It sucks to be honest, I've been hyped for Zoro/Sanji vs admirals for like half a decade

Gotta say Green Bull is probably the most villainous of the Admirals

Dude just pulled up on wano and threatened to kill everyone for no reason even the non pirates

 

[nik87]

It's not even a power scaling thing, I just don't feel like the marines are villain anymore.

It sucks to be honest, I've been hyped for Zoro/Sanji vs admirals for like half a decade

Nothing has changed, imo.
They will do the same job they were always intended to do.

 

[Redboy776]

Zoro is going to give Greenbull the pika treatment while Luffy fight Akainu.

Oda's writing is so predictible.

 

[The White Crane]

It's not even a power scaling thing, I just don't feel like the marines are villain anymore.

It sucks to be honest, I've been hyped for Zoro/Sanji vs admirals for like half a decade

The chances of Zoro and the Cook vs the Admirals happening were already drastically lessened by the abomination that was Wano. If Luffy is two poneglpyhs away from becoming PK while none of his crew ever beat even one top tier yet, it's better to prepare for the possibility that Luffy's PK crew isn't beating multiple top tiers like the Admirals.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Least obvious Crocodile glazer:

Crocs going to wreck Ryo.

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

Kizaru's characterization In Egghead took me aback tbh, I used to see him as a cold machine without empathy.
His role in this arc will be the key to the marine future, he always felt like the stereotypical dude who follows orders without questionning them. I think he will give a good idea of what Oda intends to do with the marine.

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

Zoro is going to give Greenbull the pika treatment while Luffy fight Akainu.

Oda's writing is so predictible.

Nah Oda will have Zoro fight a gorosei that is probably stronger than an admiral anyway.

The admiral fight isn't happening