Speculations Are there any important hints we missed in the last 3-4 chapters?

#21
Feel free to make a comparison then:
red hed pirates: https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Red_Hair_Pirates
god's knights : https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/God's_Knights

Shadows of God Knights don't match. Which one is Roux? Their heights are all different and more varied compared to Shanks crew. Doesn't that mae Garling the captain?

Would make more sense to have select characters from One Piece be the God Knights. Shanks could be one, but his crew isn't necessarily it.
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Yes, I also mentioned this in the opening post. Definitely a possibility.
Oda is not 100% accurate with his shadows, just look at the shadow from Saturn and his real silhouette so there is a margin

Anyway, it's just a speculation at this point
 
#23
This isn't a topic about Luffy vs Kizaru, although that's the only thing that appears have been covered in the last 3 chapters prior to 1095 (1092, 1093, 1094)

We can all agree the fight was underwhelming, so admiral agenda is irrelevant right now. The question is what was there of importance in these chapters apart from the dragged out fight?

Kuma "one day ago", whenever that is, is at Mariejois going on rampage. He fights a bit. We see Sasaki's ironical monologue. Will he defect? Is this foreshadowing?
We can accept Kuma might come in time for the rescue, depends on Oda really, although I am certain it takes 3 days to travel in the bubble.

VegaPunk might have made a promise to Kuma to protect Bonney, or the relation as a friend is much closer. Might be a family sort of bond. Kuma is likely rushing to protect VegaPunk I believe based on some panels in 1067 when he started making his move as soon as CP0 announced their entrance and it was clear they want to off VegaPunk.

There might be the implication of Kuma having the highest authority over the Pacifistas.
However Pacifistas seem to be the biggest issue apart from Saturn. Since Saturn's order can't be overriden by VegaPunk, maybe that's why Kuma's presence is so important. Even if they defeat Saturn they need to deal with them or as Atlas says, they will get fried up!

Franky might power up and shine. Looks like there's some foreshadowing with that. Bonney is the character that will need saving and she doesn't seem to get a powerup. That's the direction Oda seems to prefer right now.

So first thing after the long flashback will be Kuma. Question is can he override the Pacifistas? Because someone has to override them before the battle between Luffy and Saturn otherwise they'd get in the way, but maybe Luffy's magically recovers and he can handle them all?


Now the reason for the thread is: Are there any extra plot elements or character pasts / relationships that matter and we have overlooked?
Kizaru knows about Bonney's past, so does Sakazuki. How much do they know really? Were they ever slaves themselves and then given DFs?
During God Valley, they might have been as old as Ivankov and Kuma.


Post any details you think that were missed out because of the battle that achieved nothing. I don't even see the battle itself foreshadowing anything, unless Luffy's deflection of Kizaru's light attack is meant as a way to say that is going to be his 2nd DF and the extra light will help him counter BB easier.
Actually, Oda has not yet revealed the shocking main-relationships in this arc: And almost everyone has overlooked that so far, because it is only hinted at and not really been revealed yet.

Or why do you think Oda inserted that little time-skip of his? - Because he is hiding the best part of this arc for last. That is going to be his big reveal for the arc's peak. And no one noticed anything, yet. :saden:

Shaka and Lucci are twin-like counterparts and actually related by blood. Lucci may even be related to Vegapunk (-but this is as of yet still a little vague and not entirely prooven):
First, their posture is the same with their hands always shoved into their pockets:

Both are following their dreams and are even ready to sacrafice something for it (Lucci = Robin, Shaka = all Satellites):

Both are tacticians and therefore being often asked by their colleagues, what the best approach for a situation is:


Also, while Shka's name refers to Buddha Shaka Nyorai, who can be seen as the personification of all that is `good´. Lucci's name has to mirror Shaka's as well in that regard, if both were depitced as euqal twins. And it actually does mirror the other quite well, as Lucci can be seen as a short form for `Lucifer´, the personification of `evil´.

Oda is utmost consistent with both characters and this lets no doubt that Shaka and Lucci are brother-like counterparts.

The best part is: Vegapunk and Lucci are sharing the same way of thinking, as well. Vegapunks dream is for peace to reign over all countries of the world and prevent wars from happening with his inventions and findings, he is producing. On the cover story with Ceasar this is getting clear as the story dives into MADS, which was founded as the “Laboratory of Peace”, with its head inventor being Vegapunk, who made several inventions such as the weapon, which transformed bullets into flowers, or cloning someone. After Stussy was cloned, he even said that “[…] that is a huge step towards world peace!!”. Oda also named chapter 1068 “A Genuis’ dream” and even the entire volume 106 after said chapter, which underlines its importance to the story and the fact that the thematic of Egghead is, in fact “Peace”.

The only thing that stands out is the fact that Vegapunk disregards Jinbe’s concern about one of his inventions as `stuff he should not worry about´. That means Vegapunk is ready to make some `small´ sacrifices if it means that he can reach his own greater goal/dream (chapter 1067).

This is also a reoccurring theme with Lucci, who was once depicted as a small child with an olive-branch (symbol of peace) in his hand, his white pet pigeon Hatori (symbol of peace) next to him and the word “peace” (reference to peace) written on his shirt. Those are three things, which are all referring to the theme of the Egghead arc.

And during the story of Water 7, Lucci even commented on Iceberg, who refused to give the WG the location of the blueprints with: “Yet you would dare to stand in our way? Even now, people over the world being victimized by pirates … and you’re saying you wont help them?”

This tells us how Lucci is thinking. He himself finds it not good that Iceberg refuses to help the people, who are being victimized by pirates. It also shows us what is driving him. Helping people over the world be freed of the pirates, he considers as being all bad.

And now the cool part: Lucci also regards sacrifices as something you have to do, if you want to reach your goal (in his case world peace), just like Vegapunk. Because, he was ready to sacrifice Robin for the greater good of making pirates stop victimizing people. On the Puffing Tom, he even comments on her being born under an unlucky star. Meaning: He thought it was bad that he had to sacrifice Robin, but he needed to do it to acquire world peace.

In their thinking Vegapunk and Lucci have the same goal and approach it in the same way! Both – Lucci more than Vegapunk - need to realize that you do not have to make sacrifices to reach your goal.

Kizaru's and Luffy's fight is not over, because we have not reached the peak of the arc, yet. And Zoro and Lucci are not fighing at full strength, because Lucci is not Zoro's main fight, as the assassin is actually on the side of the SHPs.

And if you are saying that: No, he wanted to kill Vegapunk a few chapters prior and ratted the SHPs out to the marines, than let me tell you one thing:

The WG wants 3 things safe and sound in their hands:
- Punk Records
- York and
- Mother Flame

If you kill Vegapunk, his brain dies with him. So, while the Satellites have to all die according to the WG, they need the Stellar alive and cannot harm him. This is why Stussy protected him with her body. Because she is working for the WG. Yes, she is working with the enemy. She is the reason, why there are 30,000 marines currently surrounding Egghead. It was her, who let Akainu be informed about the SHP being on Egghead. She could have refrained from informing him and still being able to remain undercover. But no, she made it worse for her clone-father Vegapunk's this way. She also followed Akainu's order for Lucci. Because as the admiral wanted them not to confront any of the SHPs on Egghead, she made sure to make Kaku and Lucci sleep, while both were not following orders properly from the beginning of the arc.

Oh, did I mention that we had Lucci question his order to kill Vegapunk, given him by the WG just as the arc began? Look at chapter 1062. This is one of many hints pointing towards his relationship with him and Shaka. I would not wonder, if Lucci is actually Vegapunk's 7th satellite.

If you want more and are interested, I have so many hints and little bumbs I can point out to you, I currently drown in it. I could write a novel just by listing them. But I hope you had fun reading it.

See you.
 
#25
Actually, Oda has not yet revealed the shocking main-relationships in this arc: And almost everyone has overlooked that so far, because it is only hinted at and not really been revealed yet.

Or why do you think Oda inserted that little time-skip of his? - Because he is hiding the best part of this arc for last. That is going to be his big reveal for the arc's peak. And no one noticed anything, yet. :saden:

Shaka and Lucci are twin-like counterparts and actually related by blood. Lucci may even be related to Vegapunk (-but this is as of yet still a little vague and not entirely prooven):
First, their posture is the same with their hands always shoved into their pockets:

Both are following their dreams and are even ready to sacrafice something for it (Lucci = Robin, Shaka = all Satellites):

Both are tacticians and therefore being often asked by their colleagues, what the best approach for a situation is:


Also, while Shka's name refers to Buddha Shaka Nyorai, who can be seen as the personification of all that is `good´. Lucci's name has to mirror Shaka's as well in that regard, if both were depitced as euqal twins. And it actually does mirror the other quite well, as Lucci can be seen as a short form for `Lucifer´, the personification of `evil´.

Oda is utmost consistent with both characters and this lets no doubt that Shaka and Lucci are brother-like counterparts.

The best part is: Vegapunk and Lucci are sharing the same way of thinking, as well. Vegapunks dream is for peace to reign over all countries of the world and prevent wars from happening with his inventions and findings, he is producing. On the cover story with Ceasar this is getting clear as the story dives into MADS, which was founded as the “Laboratory of Peace”, with its head inventor being Vegapunk, who made several inventions such as the weapon, which transformed bullets into flowers, or cloning someone. After Stussy was cloned, he even said that “[…] that is a huge step towards world peace!!”. Oda also named chapter 1068 “A Genuis’ dream” and even the entire volume 106 after said chapter, which underlines its importance to the story and the fact that the thematic of Egghead is, in fact “Peace”.

The only thing that stands out is the fact that Vegapunk disregards Jinbe’s concern about one of his inventions as `stuff he should not worry about´. That means Vegapunk is ready to make some `small´ sacrifices if it means that he can reach his own greater goal/dream (chapter 1067).

This is also a reoccurring theme with Lucci, who was once depicted as a small child with an olive-branch (symbol of peace) in his hand, his white pet pigeon Hatori (symbol of peace) next to him and the word “peace” (reference to peace) written on his shirt. Those are three things, which are all referring to the theme of the Egghead arc.

And during the story of Water 7, Lucci even commented on Iceberg, who refused to give the WG the location of the blueprints with: “Yet you would dare to stand in our way? Even now, people over the world being victimized by pirates … and you’re saying you wont help them?”

This tells us how Lucci is thinking. He himself finds it not good that Iceberg refuses to help the people, who are being victimized by pirates. It also shows us what is driving him. Helping people over the world be freed of the pirates, he considers as being all bad.

And now the cool part: Lucci also regards sacrifices as something you have to do, if you want to reach your goal (in his case world peace), just like Vegapunk. Because, he was ready to sacrifice Robin for the greater good of making pirates stop victimizing people. On the Puffing Tom, he even comments on her being born under an unlucky star. Meaning: He thought it was bad that he had to sacrifice Robin, but he needed to do it to acquire world peace.

In their thinking Vegapunk and Lucci have the same goal and approach it in the same way! Both – Lucci more than Vegapunk - need to realize that you do not have to make sacrifices to reach your goal.

Kizaru's and Luffy's fight is not over, because we have not reached the peak of the arc, yet. And Zoro and Lucci are not fighing at full strength, because Lucci is not Zoro's main fight, as the assassin is actually on the side of the SHPs.

And if you are saying that: No, he wanted to kill Vegapunk a few chapters prior and ratted the SHPs out to the marines, than let me tell you one thing:

The WG wants 3 things safe and sound in their hands:
- Punk Records
- York and
- Mother Flame

If you kill Vegapunk, his brain dies with him. So, while the Satellites have to all die according to the WG, they need the Stellar alive and cannot harm him. This is why Stussy protected him with her body. Because she is working for the WG. Yes, she is working with the enemy. She is the reason, why there are 30,000 marines currently surrounding Egghead. It was her, who let Akainu be informed about the SHP being on Egghead. She could have refrained from informing him and still being able to remain undercover. But no, she made it worse for her clone-father Vegapunk's this way. She also followed Akainu's order for Lucci. Because as the admiral wanted them not to confront any of the SHPs on Egghead, she made sure to make Kaku and Lucci sleep, while both were not following orders properly from the beginning of the arc.

Oh, did I mention that we had Lucci question his order to kill Vegapunk, given him by the WG just as the arc began? Look at chapter 1062. This is one of many hints pointing towards his relationship with him and Shaka. I would not wonder, if Lucci is actually Vegapunk's 7th satellite.

If you want more and are interested, I have so many hints and little bumbs I can point out to you, I currently drown in it. I could write a novel just by listing them. But I hope you had fun reading it.

See you.
but a lot of what you say is contradicted by later chapters ...

Lucci went for the kill with VegaPunk.
Lucci directly sent intel to Saturn. Even Sanji noticed. Stussy protected VegaPunk.

your theory doesn't work ... Stussy is already a clone created by VegaPunk. Why would two clones fight each other now?
 
#26
Well what I've been thinking is

Most people thought that Kuma saved Luffy because of his connection to dragon but

Not even iva knew dragon had a kid there's no reason dragon would tell Kuma and not tell Iva

And recent chapters show that Kuma knew about the legend of Nika

So what I'm asking is

What if Kuma saved Luffy and his crew because he knew that his fruit was actually the nika fruit ?

A pay it forward type of deal

Saved Luffy then so Luffy will be alive to save Bonney now
I can't agree. Kuma was really on a mission to stop the strawhats in Thriller Bark, he even offered help to Moria beforehand. I don't think he had any idea that the Gomu Gomu no Mi was Nika's DF, even the Gorosei weren't sure about that.

IMO he was just impressed by Zoro's willpower and may have considered Luffy a major candidate to become the next Nika (most importantly, he knew he was a D and I think that he has some awareness about the Ds), that's why he let them go.
 

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#27
I can't agree. Kuma was really on a mission to stop the strawhats in Thriller Bark, he even offered help to Moria beforehand. I don't think he had any idea that the Gomu Gomu no Mi was Nika's DF, even the Gorosei weren't sure about that.

IMO he was just impressed by Zoro's willpower and may have considered Luffy a major candidate to become the next Nika (most importantly, he knew he was a D and I think that he has some awareness about the Ds), that's why he let them go.
I can see that too
 
#28
but a lot of what you say is contradicted by later chapters ...

Lucci went for the kill with VegaPunk.
Lucci directly sent intel to Saturn. Even Sanji noticed. Stussy protected VegaPunk.

your theory doesn't work ... Stussy is already a clone created by VegaPunk. Why would two clones fight each other now?
All makes perfect sense.
Lucci trying to kill Vegapunk: Lucci knew that Stussy would protect Vegapunk. Therefore, he aimed not for the Satellite, but his goal was to kill Stussy with this move. She could have dodged his attack, if he had tried to kill her directly. But he needed to be sure to hurt her and since she needed the Stellar alive (because she is on the WG's side), it was easier for Lucci to inflict as much damage to her this way. You could say: He could count on her getting in the way.

The thing with the intel: Funny is that Oda - again - omits what Lucci is conveying to the WG. How do we know what he is telling Kizaru? We do not know, if he is actually telling them the truth or just transferring false information. Instead we are getting this cut off message, we cannot do much with analysis-wise.
Oda omitting the crutial part here is the same as inserting that little time skip of his. He is hiding information, we need and the question here is again: Why is he doing so? It actually lets me doubt even more that Lucci was conveying the correct information, since than Oda would not have need to hide the small conversation from us. If the other way around was true, than Oda would need that little phone-call cut off for us not to notice how things are actually laid out.

The matter with the clone: Stussy is a clone created by MADS. The first of many others. But MADS did also imploy Judge and you know what Judge did with his children - he invented something that made his boys into psychopahtic. I don't want to say that Stussy is a psychopath, but there is a chance that other inventors of MADS had their influence in creating her.
Even after MADS liquidation, Vegapunk continued his research in cloning under the WG. Then he also gave rise to the project, which was called: Human Weapon Project (like Doflamingo had informed Ivankov during Marineford). Here, the Stellar worked at Kuma and his transformation (Therefore Kuma's epithet is "Human weapon"). But he never let go of the cloning in the first place (prooven by the existance of the Serphim). Now, we also have another character, who has a likewise epithet: "Massacre Weapon" - Lucci. His epithet could very well refer to him being created during Vegapunk's time with the WG and doing research through cloning under the "Human Weapon Project".

Just write me again, if something else seems off to you.
 
#29
All makes perfect sense.
Lucci trying to kill Vegapunk: Lucci knew that Stussy would protect Vegapunk. Therefore, he aimed not for the Satellite, but his goal was to kill Stussy with this move. She could have dodged his attack, if he had tried to kill her directly. But he needed to be sure to hurt her and since she needed the Stellar alive (because she is on the WG's side), it was easier for Lucci to inflict as much damage to her this way. You could say: He could count on her getting in the way.

The thing with the intel: Funny is that Oda - again - omits what Lucci is conveying to the WG. How do we know what he is telling Kizaru? We do not know, if he is actually telling them the truth or just transferring false information. Instead we are getting this cut off message, we cannot do much with analysis-wise.
Oda omitting the crutial part here is the same as inserting that little time skip of his. He is hiding information, we need and the question here is again: Why is he doing so? It actually lets me doubt even more that Lucci was conveying the correct information, since than Oda would not have need to hide the small conversation from us. If the other way around was true, than Oda would need that little phone-call cut off for us not to notice how things are actually laid out.

The matter with the clone: Stussy is a clone created by MADS. The first of many others. But MADS did also imploy Judge and you know what Judge did with his children - he invented something that made his boys into psychopahtic. I don't want to say that Stussy is a psychopath, but there is a chance that other inventors of MADS had their influence in creating her.
Even after MADS liquidation, Vegapunk continued his research in cloning under the WG. Then he also gave rise to the project, which was called: Human Weapon Project (like Doflamingo had informed Ivankov during Marineford). Here, the Stellar worked at Kuma and his transformation (Therefore Kuma's epithet is "Human weapon"). But he never let go of the cloning in the first place (prooven by the existance of the Serphim). Now, we also have another character, who has a likewise epithet: "Massacre Weapon" - Lucci. His epithet could very well refer to him being created during Vegapunk's time with the WG and doing research through cloning under the "Human Weapon Project".

Just write me again, if something else seems off to you.
What do you mean Oda omitted crucial details? Kizaru and Saturn discussed what was revealed to them in one of the chapters.

What else did you want to go into detail about? Kizaru says it's outstanding.


Lucci never explained himself to Zoro, they're still fighting. Lucci is all in for the fights. So your theory doesn't fit as prediction.
 
#30
What do you mean Oda omitted crucial details? Kizaru and Saturn discussed what was revealed to them in one of the chapters.

What else did you want to go into detail about? Kizaru says it's outstanding.


Lucci never explained himself to Zoro, they're still fighting. Lucci is all in for the fights. So your theory doesn't fit as prediction.
What I mean is that Lucci could have as well just given Saturn and Kizaru wrong information. They do not know where the powerplant is and are reliant on info from Lucci, who has gotten to know the Labo-phase. If those information are correct, we cannot know. But we will know in the near future - when Kizaru and Saturn are actually trying to find tha powerplant and it is not, where Lucci said it to be..

Lucci not explaining himself to Zoro: I have not told you everything I know. But to make it short: Lucci has either his own extended agenda, he is following, or Zoro is in on that little detail too and just pretends to fight him. For that to explain everything, it would take a little longer. If you are interrested in this, you just have to ask and I will write everything down regarding this matter. It would also explain Sanji's odd behaviour towards Stussy, being hurt, if you are interested in that as well.
 
#32
Yeah Bege or the mafia of west blue must have known about god valley

I wonder if Daz or Lafitte known anything about god valley
Oda misses opportunity after opportunity to connect the dots finally into something interesting. Why not go into a bit of extra lore depth.

Instead he's boring us with soap opera plot.

What will happen next time on One Piece?
Ginny proposes, shocker the girl makes the first move, but Kuma wants to pursue his Masochistic fetish priest career.
Ginny and Kuma have a reunion with old childhood friends and decide to create a band to go on tour around the world, visiting many towns and winning over many fans.
While on tour as a solo debut, Ginny's heart gets stolen by someone else.

Dragon as the manager of the band is in conflict with Kuma over the promise he made.
 
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