Controversial Are you on team Yamato is a daughter.

[Reborn]

You know what.. Keep talking. You are not understanding science, you are not understanding psychology.. guess all you will end up with is reports.

I warned you at least..

I don't think your reports would do anything unless someone resorted to personal insults or spewing hatred.

Expressing different opinion which you don't like doesn't mean they are transphobic.


Also, being member of the staff I can tell you that Al sama and Van are the ones with task to monitor politically sensitive threads and you know how they are 🤷

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

being member of the staff

 

[Logiko]

If I would base my knowledge and opinion after what people online tell me on a manga forum I would end up in a pretty bad place probably like you.

I'm good thank you, and I feel liberated by the knowledge I gained on the subject. You should try it.

She definitely understands that she has boobs and vagina. If I see her telling on the screen that she is different gender or whatever than have it your way. But she didn't say anything like that once.

She literally said, "so I became a man" or "I'm Oden".. or literally jumped into the men's bath.. but ok.

I don't know if we should discuss this. We are not experts and professionals at such things.

I'm not, that's why I suggest you go check the consensus on the subject. Consensus are easy to understand. Also, that's why I keep telling you to watch people who are concerned about the subject (LGBTQI+ people: Jessie Gender / Contrapoint etc.), the more you will get use to see trans people, the less likely you will be to have transphobic discourse.

Multiple years of brainwashing yourself with the internet. Social Media era is crazy.

Sure.

I don't think your reports would do anything unless someone resorted to personal insults or spewing hatred.

i almost never report for nothing.

Expressing different opinion which you don't like doesn't mean they are transphobic.

As long as you are not transphobic, yeah, of course.

Also, being member of the staff I can tell you that Al sama and Van are the ones with task to monitor politically sensitive threads and you know how they are 🤷

I do yeah.. that's one of the problems.

 

[Formerly Seth]

I'm good thank you, and I feel liberated by the knowledge I gained on the subject. You should try it.

I will left twitter mental gymnastics for basement dwellers like you.

She literally said, "so I became a man" or "I'm Oden".. or literally jumped into the men's bath.. but ok.

She became Oden as for she became her Hero. I'm pretty sure if she wanted to change gender or whatever she would ask Law or act like Kiku. You are wrong here and assuming stuff for a fictional character not even a real person. That's wild bro.

I'm not, that's why I suggest you go check the consensus on the subject. Consensus are easy to understand. Also, that's why I keep telling you to watch people who are concerned about the subject (LGBTQI+ people: Jessie Gender / Contrapoint etc.), the more you will get use to see trans people, the less likely you will be to have transphobic discourse.

Biologically you are born a man or woman. What you do with your body next is your problem and your own idea. You are not being born as "trans" woman or "trans" man or whatever you can name.

I am not transphobic. I'm not afraid of trans people as you constantly try to put under my name. I'm simply pointing out your lack of experience or knowledge to spread a lecturing thoughts about the things you yourself have little clue about.

 

[ShiShiShi]

Entertaining the audience and mods who are waiting to ban if we go off the rails.

Typial day on WG.

Surprised it hasn’t happened already for some people. The discussion here can get rather aggressive… frightfully so.

Be careful.

 

[Logiko]

She became Oden as for she became her Hero. I'm pretty sure if she wanted to change gender or whatever she would ask Law or act like Kiku. You are wrong here and assuming stuff for a fictional character not even a real person. That's wild bro.

There is not one way to act as a specific gender.

Biologically you are born a man or woman

No, you are only born with sexual characteristic we attribute to male or females. Sometimes you have both. gender (woman/man) is a social construction.

You are not being born as "trans" woman or "trans" man or whatever you can name.

The qualificatif "trans" only means that the gender you are identifying to is different from the one you were assign at birth (without consent btw)

I am not transphobic. I'm not afraid of trans people as you constantly try to put under my name. I'm simply pointing out your lack of experience or knowledge to spread a lecturing thoughts about the things you yourself have little clue about.

Being transphobic goes far beyond just being afraid of transpeople, it also means doing anything that could harm them. Words or physically. I have objective knowledge on the subject, you are just stuck in the normative way of thinking genders. Something that is not surprising as we are all partly transphobic as we live in the same society. The point - just like other type of oppressions - is to get out of that circle of hate.

 

[Reborn]

Surprised it hasn’t happened already for some people. The discussion here can get rather aggressive… frightfully so.

Be careful.

Did you just give advice to seth of all people to be careful of discussions getting aggressive




Nice of you I guess

 

[Formerly Seth]

Being transphobic goes far beyond just being afraid of transpeople, it also means doing anything that could harm them. Words or physically. I have objective knowledge on the subject, you are just stuck in the normative way of thinking genders. Something that is not surprising as we are all partly transphobic as we live in the same society. The point - just like other type of oppressions - is to get out of that circle of hate.

You hail here from twitter. You are uneducated echo chamber product. I don't hate people. I hate idiocy and woke agenda that does harm to the actual state of what you claim to be defending.

No, you are only born with sexual characteristic we attribute to male or females. Sometimes you have both. gender (woman/man) is a social construction.

Oh yes. You can share the traits of your mom or dad. That doesn't mean you are a different person. Unless you don't feel like it. As I told you. You are biologically born a female or male. Or to use a redneck explanation.

You are born with a dick or with boobs and pussy. Whatever you decide to do next is your own choice. But you won't change the biology of your body, you can surely modify it.

There is not one way to act as a specific gender.

No comment. Twitter agenda stench reached the roof.

Did you just give advice to seth of all people to be careful of discussions getting aggressive




Nice of you I guess

I think I am very polite and respectful atm. If it was different TAC or any of his minions would ban me already as they like to do.

 

[notAfanboy]

Pseudo-science, that this C4N user refer to, is not the universal truth.
"Science can never offer a universal truth or an objective representation of the world. It can, however, offer methodologically verifiable interpretations and can question certainties and trigger reflections." Link
More importantly, you cant deny biological science and accept mental gymnastics science.
I believe in biological science. Do you have problem with it? Go check with the scientists!
Plus, if you want to refer to a girl with a male pronoun, I have to ask you to reconsider it.
You are hurting the sentiments of people (poll results > 90.2%).

 

[Reborn]

You hail here from twitter. You are uneducated echo chamber product. I don't hate people. I hate idiocy and woke agenda that does harm to the actual state of what you claim to be defending.


Oh yes. You can share the traits of your mom or dad. That doesn't mean you are a different person. Unless you don't feel like it. As I told you. You are biologically born a female or male. Or to use a redneck explanation.

You are born with a dick or with boobs and pussy. Whatever you decide to do next is your own choice. But you won't change the biology of your body, you can surely modify it.


No comment. Twitter agenda stench reached the roof.






I think I am very polite and respectful atm. If it was different TAC or any of his minions would ban me already as they like to do.

With that I can agree with

 

[Dark Admiral]

this thing still going..??

 

[K!NG HARA$H!MA]

I'd respect the Trans agenda but Yamato is just something completely different and also it's unnecessary when we already have actual trans like Kiku that many accept as trans and do the appropriate pronounce.

 

[ShiShiShi]

No, you are only born with sexual characteristic we attribute to male or females. Sometimes you have both. gender (woman/man) is a social construction.

Our human bodies develop organs that differ depending on our gender. This is how biology is, and you can’t change the system that’s been in place since the beginning of time itself.

This is how we were designed to be. Whether people will accept what they’re born as is of their own choice, but most will anyway.

It’s not as complicated as you’re making it out to be. You being overly defensive has turned this into such a tedious topic that was already tedious to begin with.

 

[Logiko]

You hail here from twitter. You are uneducated echo chamber product. I don't hate people. I hate idiocy and woke agenda that does harm to the actual state of what you claim to be defending.

Sigh.. no one is going to harm you. You are in a moral panic mate. Relax.

Oh yes. You can share the traits of your mom or dad. That doesn't mean you are a different person. Unless you don't feel like it. As I told you. You are biologically born a female or male. Or to use a redneck explanation.

You are born with a dick or with boobs and pussy. Whatever you decide to do next is your own choice. But you won't change the biology of your body, you can surely modify it.

You see.. the problem is that .. no matter what I will say to you. You are not interested in the knowledge, you are interest in your beliefs.

Actually listening to what I say and accept (let's say) 5 % of it.. would be groundbreaking for you as it would put your entire beliefs system
into reconsideration (you would have for example to accept that woke ideology is just a corrupt way of looking at progressive struggles) .. Creating a gap in your knowledge. I understand that feeling, it's scary. Starting to go from the incel ideology to progressive ones was extremelly scary as I was reconsidering everything I knew.. but with time.. I managed.

Pseudo-science, that this C4N user refer to, is not the universal truth.

Are you actually trying to call what I say.. "pseudo science" mate ?

I believe in biological science.

You don't understand science as you are completely denying the process of consensus.

I'd respect the Trans agenda but Yamato is just something completely different and also it's unnecessary when we already have actual trans like Kiku that many accept as trans and do the appropriate pronounce.

Indeed, I think Yamato is genderfluid. Quite the opposite of trans.

Our human bodies develop organs that differ depending on our gender.

No mate. That's not how it works. You are confusing gender and sexual characteristics.

You being overly defensive has turned this into such a tedious topic that was already tedious to begin with.

Look at the thread.. who is actually on the defensive here ? Who is actually saying that the "woke"agenda will destroy the civilisation ?
Who is having a moral panic here ?

You should all relax a bit.. and just.. well.. talk to trans people.. It would do you so much good you have no ideas.

 

[Formerly Seth]

Sigh.. no one is going to harm you. You are in a moral panic mate. Relax.

Of course, no one is going to harm me. You speak thru the keyboard. I don't see people like you on a daily basis cause you lot exist on twitter and whatever echo chambers you spawn at. No harm at all. More like an annoying bug.

You see.. the problem is that .. no matter what I will say to you. You are not interested in the knowledge, you are interest in your beliefs.

Actually listening to what I say and accept (let's say) 5 % of it.. would be groundbreaking for you as it would put your entire beliefs system
into reconsideration (you would have for example to accept that woke ideology is just a corrupt way of looking at progressive struggles) .. Creating a gap in your knowledge. I understand that feeling, it's scary. Starting to go from the incel ideology to progressive ones was extremelly scary as I was reconsidering everything I knew.. but with time.. I managed.

Twitter science agenda is not an answer to biologically correct truth, sorry mate.

 

[Logiko]

Twitter science agenda is not an answer to biologically correct truth, sorry mate.

Then try actual consensus sir:


https://cihr-irsc.gc.ca/e/48642.html

https://www.who.int/health-topics/gender#tab=tab_1

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_and_gender_distinction?oldid=724769451

Of course, no one is going to harm me. You speak thru the keyboard. I don't see people like you on a daily basis cause you lot exist on twitter and whatever echo chambers you spawn at. No harm at all. More like an annoying bug.

So.. what are you so afraid of ?

 

[K!NG HARA$H!MA]

Sigh.. no one is going to harm you. You are in a moral panic mate. Relax.



You see.. the problem is that .. no matter what I will say to you. You are not interested in the knowledge, you are interest in your beliefs.

Actually listening to what I say and accept (let's say) 5 % of it.. would be groundbreaking for you as it would put your entire beliefs system
into reconsideration (you would have for example to accept that woke ideology is just a corrupt way of looking at progressive struggles) .. Creating a gap in your knowledge. I understand that feeling, it's scary. Starting to go from the incel ideology to progressive ones was extremelly scary as I was reconsidering everything I knew.. but with time.. I managed.



Are you actually trying to call what I say.. "pseudo science" mate ?



You don't understand science as you are completely denying the process of consensus.


Indeed, I think Yamato is genderfluid. Quite the opposite of trans.


No mate. That's not how it works. You are confusing gender and sexual characteristics.



Look at the thread.. who is actually on the defensive here ? Who is actually saying that the "woke"agenda will destroy the civilisation ?
Who is having a moral panic here ?

You should all relax a bit.. and just.. well.. talk to trans people.. It would do you so much good you have no ideas.

Then why relentlessly defending Trans in Yamato thread lol?

 

[notAfanboy]

Sigh.. no one is going to harm you. You are in a moral panic mate. Relax.



You see.. the problem is that .. no matter what I will say to you. You are not interested in the knowledge, you are interest in your beliefs.

Actually listening to what I say and accept (let's say) 5 % of it.. would be groundbreaking for you as it would put your entire beliefs system
into reconsideration (you would have for example to accept that woke ideology is just a corrupt way of looking at progressive struggles) .. Creating a gap in your knowledge. I understand that feeling, it's scary. Starting to go from the incel ideology to progressive ones was extremelly scary as I was reconsidering everything I knew.. but with time.. I managed.



Are you actually trying to call what I say.. "pseudo science" mate ?



You don't understand science as you are completely denying the process of consensus.


Indeed, I think Yamato is genderfluid. Quite the opposite of trans.


No mate. That's not how it works. You are confusing gender and sexual characteristics.



Look at the thread.. who is actually on the defensive here ? Who is actually saying that the "woke"agenda will destroy the civilisation ?
Who is having a moral panic here ?

You should all relax a bit.. and just.. well.. talk to trans people.. It would do you so much good you have no ideas.

Yes, any problem with that?

I dont understand science?
I have 8 research publications in international peer reviewed journals.
You are not even qualified to talk about science, let alone telling me that I dont understand science.
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Then why relentlessly defending Trans in Yamato thread lol?

I know what this LGBTQ+ activist want.
They want acknowledgement.

@CarrotForNakama Sorry mate, you wont be acknowledged, no matter how hard you try to justify that it is ok to call a man a woman or vice versa. It just wont be accepted by society.
Wait for social implications of this agenda.
Dont be surprised when people are at each other's neck for their children's safety.
We dont even have a common ground for discussion, and you are asking me to accept your ideology?
Why is it so hard for you to understand that it is a "no-go" area?

 

[Logiko]

Then why relentlessly defending Trans in Yamato thread lol?

Because those guys are not just attacking Yamato, they are attacking transidentity as a whole.

I have 8 research publications in international peer reviewed journals.

on ?

You are not even qualified to talk about science, let alone telling me that I dont understand science.

Well, this is even more concerning as you should already be aware of those gender problematics but it looks like you have a blind spot on psychology and sociology..

By curiosity, are you one of those scientist that think that only hard sciences are real sciences ?
Also, are you familiar with evolutionnary psychology ?
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Why is it so hard for you to understand that it is a "no-go" area?

Because your words are harmfull mate :)
But you will never understand that as long as you think biology only can explain gender identities.

 

[ShiShiShi]

Look at the thread.. who is actually on the defensive here ? Who is actually saying that the "woke"agenda will destroy the civilisation ?
Who is having a moral panic here ?

You should all relax a bit.. and just.. well.. talk to trans people.. We would do you so much good you have no ideas.

Transgender people are just people who behave a bit differently. I’m not any more interested in interacting with them than I am with the average person.

The way you’ve been discussing this topic doesn’t really make me want to engage in it, like, at all. I can just about predict what your responses will be. You don’t want to admit certain things that have been explained to you, but it’s okay to be wrong.

We have organs, and most people identify by not just them but their facial features as well. You disagree with the concept of genders yet what do you think transgender means?

No matter what people do, they will always end up as either a man or a woman. Even if they deny it, their bodies won’t. This is the reality we all live in.

It’s impossible to completely erase what you’re born as, unless you’re an alien from outer space or something. Which, for all we know, could very well share our biology system as well.

Pretty sure non binary and gender fluid are just terms to describe a specific mentality. I’m not gonna get into that though, because I don’t quite understand enough about it to form a proper opinion.