Character Discussion Aside from directions does Zoro’s character have any Flaws?
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Interestingly, Zoro and Sanji share a similar flaw, but different versions of it!
You see, Sanji thinks himself worthless, unless he can be of use to the people he cares about, that's something developed because of all his trauma growing up. So if a situation happens where Sanji could take his own life just to try and be useful for someone else he cares about, he would do it.
Sanji's insecurity created the events of Whole Cake, where he didn't want to be a burden for the crew, and because he thinks so little of himself, he decided to go, just to not be a burden and keep the crew safe, being useful to them.
That's why in Wano, after his character developed and listening to Luffy talk about him in Whole Cake, Sanji decided he has value just as himself, without having to sacrifice who he is in order to be useful. Sanji doesn't need to become the science perfect warrior that would be super useful for the crew, because he knows as Sanji he has value and that Luffy and his crew likes him for just being Sanji, not an incredible warrior machine.
Zoro is the other side of the coin. Zoro values himself very highly, yet he keeps finding situations where he isn't enough, moments such as his fights with Kuina, the fight with Mihawk, the first fight with Lucci and Kaku, both fights with Kuma.
This insecurity, of failing despite of thinking yourself so great, is what ends up making Zoro train like crazy, because he wants to be strong enough when the time comes.
In many of these moments, when Zoro sees himself not raise up to the challenge, he almost "gives up", he surrenders his life in a way, because in his head if he isn't good enough, then he might as well die. This happens a lot.
Two of his most famous fights, Mr. 1 and King, both have the same theme and conclusion in a way, where Zoro starts the fight and right away realizes he might not be strong enough right now to defeat his enemy, but he has to overcome this hurdle to win, and he has to risk his life to reach that, because if he fails, whatever, he might as well die. But if he succeeds, then he was strong enough.
So both characters end up sharing a flaw of not valuing their own lives as they are. They only think they are worthy of living if they do what they want to do. For Sanji, that is being useful to the ones he cares about and For Zoro, that is being strong enough.
However, because of Whole Cake and Wano, we now understand why Sanji had this need of having to be useful and how he overcame this flaw in Wano after Luffy's words to him in Whole Cake.
But we still have no idea why Zoro feels this need to be strong all the time and if he will ever overcome this idea that his life has no value, if he doesn't reach this level of strength he seeks. Maybe he was just born with this endless desire to be strong. Or Maybe something happened before the start of his flashback, some kind of moment where Zoro was not strong enough and suffered for it. Because remember, Zoro already wanted to be the strongest before he even met or fought Kuina. So he either was just born with this will or something caused it.
In any way, that's a flaw.
Zoro thinks his life is not worth it, if he is not strong enough to become the World's Strongest Swordsman.
You see, Sanji thinks himself worthless, unless he can be of use to the people he cares about, that's something developed because of all his trauma growing up. So if a situation happens where Sanji could take his own life just to try and be useful for someone else he cares about, he would do it.
Sanji's insecurity created the events of Whole Cake, where he didn't want to be a burden for the crew, and because he thinks so little of himself, he decided to go, just to not be a burden and keep the crew safe, being useful to them.
That's why in Wano, after his character developed and listening to Luffy talk about him in Whole Cake, Sanji decided he has value just as himself, without having to sacrifice who he is in order to be useful. Sanji doesn't need to become the science perfect warrior that would be super useful for the crew, because he knows as Sanji he has value and that Luffy and his crew likes him for just being Sanji, not an incredible warrior machine.
Zoro is the other side of the coin. Zoro values himself very highly, yet he keeps finding situations where he isn't enough, moments such as his fights with Kuina, the fight with Mihawk, the first fight with Lucci and Kaku, both fights with Kuma.
This insecurity, of failing despite of thinking yourself so great, is what ends up making Zoro train like crazy, because he wants to be strong enough when the time comes.
In many of these moments, when Zoro sees himself not raise up to the challenge, he almost "gives up", he surrenders his life in a way, because in his head if he isn't good enough, then he might as well die. This happens a lot.
Two of his most famous fights, Mr. 1 and King, both have the same theme and conclusion in a way, where Zoro starts the fight and right away realizes he might not be strong enough right now to defeat his enemy, but he has to overcome this hurdle to win, and he has to risk his life to reach that, because if he fails, whatever, he might as well die. But if he succeeds, then he was strong enough.
So both characters end up sharing a flaw of not valuing their own lives as they are. They only think they are worthy of living if they do what they want to do. For Sanji, that is being useful to the ones he cares about and For Zoro, that is being strong enough.
However, because of Whole Cake and Wano, we now understand why Sanji had this need of having to be useful and how he overcame this flaw in Wano after Luffy's words to him in Whole Cake.
But we still have no idea why Zoro feels this need to be strong all the time and if he will ever overcome this idea that his life has no value, if he doesn't reach this level of strength he seeks. Maybe he was just born with this endless desire to be strong. Or Maybe something happened before the start of his flashback, some kind of moment where Zoro was not strong enough and suffered for it. Because remember, Zoro already wanted to be the strongest before he even met or fought Kuina. So he either was just born with this will or something caused it.
In any way, that's a flaw.
Zoro thinks his life is not worth it, if he is not strong enough to become the World's Strongest Swordsman.
Perfectly put! Zoro almost seems to have a fear of strength. In better terms he’s afraid that he’s not strong enough. I argue that a lot of his development was mostly in the pre time skip. His journey from Shell Town to Thriller Bark is all about how he’s put aside the loan wolf personality to become Luffy’s right hand man.
After Luffy loses Ace and his crew, Zoro vows to become stronger for Luffy. Zoro unlocking CoC in Wano is a great moment in his development because it’s Zoro realizing that he’s worthy of such a power. The moment felt like he was reclaiming his dream. I feel like I am not expressing myself fluently.
After Luffy loses Ace and his crew, Zoro vows to become stronger for Luffy. Zoro unlocking CoC in Wano is a great moment in his development because it’s Zoro realizing that he’s worthy of such a power. The moment felt like he was reclaiming his dream. I feel like I am not expressing myself fluently.
His poor sense of direction never brings actual danger + unfavorable situation. In fact Nami's greed too.
However we know Usopp's cowardice/insecurity & Sanji's woman thingy/selfless topics do led the story into Usopp's & Sanji's problems.
Romance Dawn trio has this privilege.
Zoro is born with CoC. Zoro is also descendant of a noble Samurai family. So he really is born with this tendency.
However we know Usopp's cowardice/insecurity & Sanji's woman thingy/selfless topics do led the story into Usopp's & Sanji's problems.
Romance Dawn trio has this privilege.
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Zoro is born with CoC. Zoro is also descendant of a noble Samurai family. So he really is born with this tendency.
Remember when this retard lectured Luffy about stop fucking around?
Then he pulled a Sanji out of nowhere and decided he doesn't hit women anymore and decided to sit around while the crew needed help to deal with the children and poison?
Then after he failed to finish with Monet like he said he would, she was about to nuke the island with children and the crew.
Zoro almost killed all the children and the crew if not for Caeser killing Monet and saving them.
Then he pulled a Sanji out of nowhere and decided he doesn't hit women anymore and decided to sit around while the crew needed help to deal with the children and poison?
Then after he failed to finish with Monet like he said he would, she was about to nuke the island with children and the crew.
Zoro almost killed all the children and the crew if not for Caeser killing Monet and saving them.
Zoro brings nothing to the story
When was the last time zoro progressed the story?
Like what role does he really do on the ship?
His role is easily replaceable
Anyway, his flaws :
He's discriminatory against women he fights (looking down on them)
His battle iq and also normal intelligence is average (even bad most of the times)
When was the last time zoro progressed the story?
Like what role does he really do on the ship?
His role is easily replaceable
Anyway, his flaws :
He's discriminatory against women he fights (looking down on them)
His battle iq and also normal intelligence is average (even bad most of the times)
Remember when this retard lectured Luffy about stop fucking around?
Then he pulled a Sanji out of nowhere and decided he doesn't hit women anymore and decided to sit around while the crew needed help to deal with the children and poison?
Then after he failed to finish with Monet like he said he would, she was about to nuke the island with children and the crew.
Zoro almost killed all the children and the crew if not for Caeser killing Monet and saving them.
Then he pulled a Sanji out of nowhere and decided he doesn't hit women anymore and decided to sit around while the crew needed help to deal with the children and poison?
Then after he failed to finish with Monet like he said he would, she was about to nuke the island with children and the crew.
Zoro almost killed all the children and the crew if not for Caeser killing Monet and saving them.
And how it's linked to his lack of directions ?
And btw Tashigi is an "ennemy" so no need to help her. Zoro didn't leave the place also, he gave a chance to Tashigi but was watching Monet.
Also it was Tashigi who came to KS and finished Monet. If it was Zoro, he would have killed her.
Don't be biaised lol...
Where did I say that? Time to take your tongue out of Zoro's ass and look at what I actually wrote then.
Sanji not hitting women is actually a well written character flaw, that goes along with his character story and core themes of the series about not having to do everything yourself and allowing others to help you.
Meanwhile, Zoro not hitting women is fucking random:
-it has nothing to do with his character or his story. In fact it contradicts his story with Kuina about genders:
and thus his WSS promise to Kuina becomes even more of a joke
-It brings nothing to the story's themes nor his character. It's just a badly written flaw that he pulled out of his ass
-He already hurt women multiple times:
Hell, he even hurt Monet in the same chapter yet he refused to attack most of the fight and then refused to finish her.
So he's not like Sanji who has strong morals and will maintain them even if he gets killed by women.
Zoro's morals are as flimsy as his character: One minute he refuses to attack a woman, next minute he suddenly is okay about attack a woman.
You said "Even his direction issues never lead him to danger or his friends"
"Even" Meaning you meant that nothing in Zoro's character ever caused danger to the crew which is factually wrong
This isn't about helping Tashigi.
It's about this turd literally sitting down, while his crew needs the help to deal with children and poison gas while the time is running out:
And this is only few chapter after he tried to lecture Luffy about taking things seriously
Him not taking Monet seriously almost killed the crew and the children if not for Caeser killing Monet.
This shit of a character doesn't even listen to his own advice.
???
Zoro's turd ass literally turned off haki in order to not hurt Monet, Tashigi had to step in to finish her because Zoro did not.
"b-b-but he would've" Then why didn't he finish her with his 1 sword dragon attack from the start?
Because of that Tashigi had to step in and Monet was able to get up after Tashigi's attack and almost kill everyone on the island because of Zoro's shit character suddenly carrying about women.
Sanji not hitting women is actually a well written character flaw, that goes along with his character story and core themes of the series about not having to do everything yourself and allowing others to help you.
Meanwhile, Zoro not hitting women is fucking random:
-it has nothing to do with his character or his story. In fact it contradicts his story with Kuina about genders:
and thus his WSS promise to Kuina becomes even more of a joke
-It brings nothing to the story's themes nor his character. It's just a badly written flaw that he pulled out of his ass
-He already hurt women multiple times:
Hell, he even hurt Monet in the same chapter yet he refused to attack most of the fight and then refused to finish her.
So he's not like Sanji who has strong morals and will maintain them even if he gets killed by women.
Zoro's morals are as flimsy as his character: One minute he refuses to attack a woman, next minute he suddenly is okay about attack a woman.
You said "Even his direction issues never lead him to danger or his friends"
"Even" Meaning you meant that nothing in Zoro's character ever caused danger to the crew which is factually wrong
This isn't about helping Tashigi.
It's about this turd literally sitting down, while his crew needs the help to deal with children and poison gas while the time is running out:
And this is only few chapter after he tried to lecture Luffy about taking things seriously
Him not taking Monet seriously almost killed the crew and the children if not for Caeser killing Monet.
This shit of a character doesn't even listen to his own advice.
???
Zoro's turd ass literally turned off haki in order to not hurt Monet, Tashigi had to step in to finish her because Zoro did not.
"b-b-but he would've" Then why didn't he finish her with his 1 sword dragon attack from the start?
Because of that Tashigi had to step in and Monet was able to get up after Tashigi's attack and almost kill everyone on the island because of Zoro's shit character suddenly carrying about women.
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Yes. Any good characters has flaws.
He is overly suspicious towards people. Sometimes he is right like Whiskey Peak while others he is wrong like X-Drake.
He is too proud. He isn't the type of running although he has to do it eventually. And mostly because he feels it's a shame to be hurt on his back. That could have caused his life back at Alabasta against Mr 1. Against Mihawk at Baratie too. Against Hakai although he saved evrlerybody else and made possible to keep fighting Yonkos.
He is overly suspicious towards people. Sometimes he is right like Whiskey Peak while others he is wrong like X-Drake.
He is too proud. He isn't the type of running although he has to do it eventually. And mostly because he feels it's a shame to be hurt on his back. That could have caused his life back at Alabasta against Mr 1. Against Mihawk at Baratie too. Against Hakai although he saved evrlerybody else and made possible to keep fighting Yonkos.