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Logiko

Logiko

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#81
#81
I want to add a few something that may not be obvious for some men here:

> Emotions, while present at any age in humans can be shut down, but they can also be recultivated.

I cry a lot more than 10 years ago because I allowed myself to cry and be sensitive while watching stuff. Alone now, I have no limits with tears. I binged watch the kuma's flashback the other night, I cried and sobbed so much I had to stop here and there to breeze again. I cried more than when I got separated from my ex..

It's ok to let ourselves be emotionnaly vulnerable. Post time skip is cribbled by emotionnal moments that we need to let ourselves be immerged into.

I love Kol's showmanship (king of lightning), but the guy reads pages like he is looking at a list of numbers and I feel like this way of reading is not unique to him. Here is what I said about this subject a year ago:

Logiko said:
Now, how to counter that ?

In my opinion, if you have a bad appreciation of the story:

- The FIRST thing to do is to stay away from theories and the act of theorizing. You will only create expectation that risk to disapoint you later. Also, most of theories are - as explained - very bad, since most of them don't take the narration or the characterization of the character into question. Finally, we are at the end of the story, so the more we get closer to the end, the easier it will be to guess what will happen (since all the setup will be in place), so if you want to be surprised, STAY AWAY from people who theorize too much.

- The SECOND thing to do is to NEVER expect something that was not narratively setup in the story. For example, a lot of people trash on the character of Big Mom because she is played (a lot) as a joke. Well, did the story ever planted the fact that all emperor are serious charismatic and non-jokable characters ? No, never. So we must be careful not to be disgusted by the expectation that we could have in other story but are completely nonsensical in One Piece.

- THE THIRD thing to do is to take a step back, take a break and read the story block by block. Remember that chapters are supposed to be read in bunch of 10, so if you want to have a better experience, wait 10 chapters and go back to the story.

- THE FOURTH thing to do is to read the story without pausing. I see a lot of reactors pausing 5 to 20 minutes on one specific panel to think or to speak. DON'T DO THAT. (unless it doesn't change your appreciation of the story). The story is written to be read quickly and SMOOTHLY. Take your time to read and understand what you see but DO NOT cut the pacing of your reading or you will completely negate one of the core aspect of the narration.

- THE FIFTH AND LAST thing to do is to read with non lyrical music. I have been reading One Piece week to week for 19 years and NOT ONCE have I read One Piece without an OST of One Piece. The result (that might not be completely correlated to that) is that EACH chapters is now like a gift for me. In 19 years, I've not been dissapointed once and yet I have reasons to be since I have a big Carrot agenda.

The reason behind that is that IF YOU USE music CORRECTLY, it will have three effects :

> It will act as a binder of the entire narration of the chapter.
> It will give the reader a good feeling while reading the chapter.
> It will put in emphasis on each dramatic moment of the story (for that you need to understand enough the narration of One Piece to anticipate specific tone change and change the music rapidely accordingly, I have a very detailed playlist ready to go specifically to read One Piece chapters)

If you do those five things and you are still dissapointed by One Piece, it might be time for you to stop.
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One Piece can make us cry, but we also have to allow ourselves to be emotionnal. Reading a story is not a one way exchange, it goes both way, a writer gives to the reader and a reader allow themselves to be pushed into the experience.

If we usually don't cry easily, we won't cry a lot in One Piece, not because it's bad, but because we repress these emotions.
 
AL sama

AL sama

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#82
#82
Logiko said:
Of course, I'm not negating anyone's emotions here. I just don't feel the same way at all. but my emotionsa re one things. The objective qualities of the narration are another. Narration is a craft that can be judged based on it's form, context and goal.

And Wano didn't miss. There are flaws of course, objectively, but not what I hear everyday here.

People are confusing being desensitivized and stoic and One Piece's narrative flaws. I'm sorry but if we look at Tama's cry at the end of the arc and don't feel anything, the story isn't the problem.
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this is a satire I made 2 years ago so ignore the horrible edit and voice

 
Blax Blah

Blax Blah

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#83
#83
Logiko said:
I want to add a few something that may not be obvious for some men here:

> Emotions, while present at any age in humans can be shut down, but they can also be recultivated.

I cry a lot more than 10 years ago because I allowed myself to cry and be sensitive while watching stuff. Alone now, I have no limits with tears. I binged watch the kuma's flashback the other night, I cried and sobbed so much I had to stop here and there to breeze again. I cried more than when I got separated from my ex..

It's ok to let ourselves be emotionnaly vulnerable. Post time skip is cribbled by emotionnal moments that we need to let ourselves be immerged into.

I love Kol's showmanship (king of lightning), but the guy reads pages like he is looking at a list of numbers and I feel like this way of reading is not unique to him. Here is what I said about this subject a year ago:



One Piece can make us cry, but we also have to allow ourselves to be emotionnal. Reading a story is not a one way exchange, it goes both way, a writer gives to the reader and a reader allow themselves to be pushed into the experience.

If we usually don't cry easily, we won't cry a lot in One Piece, not because it's bad, but because we repress these emotions.
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Yeah I agree, like mmd mentioned, sometimes the audience is the problem
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Like no all these stories didn't just become garbage in the modern era

For example everyone says DBZ is a lot better than DBS but in my opinion DBS is way better than DBZ
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If you live a life that goes against your conscience though and get around bad stuff, that will numb you and you won't be able to experience things in that open way, your heart will be hard

And I think you mentioned this about either Kol or Morj Logiko but yeah a materialistic understanding of stories is trash and especially the issue of Wano not having stakes, dude that is literally the point and what makes it so good but apparently that's a problem and a scientific story telling flaw?
 
Logiko

Logiko

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Blax Blah said:
For example everyone says DBZ is a lot better than DBS but in my opinion DBS is way better than DBZ
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I don't really like to compare the different occurences of DB, for me they are all different and they all have something to them.

I have preferences, like, I love DB and DBZ maybe a bit more than the other product, but I'm completely okay rewatching all of them. I loved Daima's worldbuilding, there was a hint of political awereness in there and I really appreciated it.

I loved the hype around DBS, it was a very fun time for me and the internet. And I have also love of GT that I watched when I was young for a bit.

DB is not an amazing narrative series but every parts rings with different lights. I think it's unfair to rank all of them the way we usually do.

(I do that for One Piece, but it's the same, I don't like to compare arc that have so many different qualities).


AL sama said:
this is a satire I made 2 years ago so ignore the horrible edit and voice
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Luffy not becoming a dragon made me laugh lol

(I do not agree with most of your point but it's ok).

Just for funzy: Big Mom didn't lose her memory just for the sake of the plot. Big Mom was constructed to have a very intense case of what psychiatrist call "bipolar disorder with big memory losses". It logical for her to lose her memory very easily if she is not prepared for it or if she gets a big shock.
 
AL sama

AL sama

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Logiko said:
Luffy not becoming a dragon made me laugh lol
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that's good to hear
Logiko said:
(I do not agree with most of your point but it's ok).

Just for funzy: Big Mom didn't lose her memory just for the sake of the plot. Big Mom was constructed to have a very intense case of what psychiatrist call "bipolar disorder with big memory losses". It logical for her to lose her memory very easily if she is not prepared for it or if she gets a big shock.
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I can go in-depth with my points but meh it's ok if you disagree
 
Mathias

Mathias

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#95
#95
Logiko said:
- Tama's first meal> Big tears of joy
- Onimaru > Tears of sadness
- Yasue's death & Smiles > MASSIVE Sobbing of sadness
- Luffy's speech to the slaves > Big tears of joy
- "He laughed" > Big tears of joy/hype/thefactofreadingamasterpieceinmylifetime
- "Niete nanbo no~o!! Oden ni sōrō!!!" & the Kozuki's resolves > Massive Sobbing
- The hope is back > Tears of joy
- "Sunachii" > Tears of joy/epicness
- "Nami's speech" > Big tears of pride
- Chapter 1000 > Big tears of chapter 1000
- "Save me Robin-chaan!!!" and Robin's appearance > Big tears of pride and hype
- "Yamato's flashback's gifted meal" > "Big tears of joy and sadness"
- "Nika" > Tears of thefactofreadingamasterpieceinmylifetime
- "Thank you Daddy" > MASSIVE sobbing of sadness and joy (I checked very fast all the chapters to make this list, I teared up just looking at Toko's smile at Otama's sobbings)
- Tama's relief > Big Sobbing of relief and sadness
- "I'm Kozuki momonosuke" > Massive tears of joy and pride and thefactofreadingamasterpieceinmylifetime
- "Please don't leeabee"! > Tears of awww
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149 chapters and more than 3 years of scanlation, but all I remember about Wano is just rooftop. I don't have enough room in my brain for these details.

I didn't even know Zoro had Pinzoro and whatnot connection until I read it online...

Literally :willight:
 
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