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#81
I didnt say he cant fight or he wasnt trained. His personality is different from most coc users. 2 years ago he didnt even want to become a pirate and wanted to stay as a cook in baratie. He isnt ambitious enough. I am not saying there is no possibility, i just think its unlikely for him to be able to use it.
Zoro also didn’t want to be a pirate, ambition isn’t what triggers CoC, it’s Will power. Like what is Whitebeards ambition or Katakuri or Doffys?

It’s the Will power one is willing to put in to what’s important to them, and Sanjis more than willing to put his life on the line to protect those close to him just like how Zoro is willing to put his life on the line for his ambition.

Sanji wanted to stay at the baratie to protect Zeffs dream and he was willing to die for that.

Say what you want, you can’t deny that he has an unquestionable Will to protect
 
#83
Zoro also didn’t want to be a pirate, ambition isn’t what triggers CoC, it’s Will power. Like what is Whitebeards ambition or Katakuri or Doffys?

It’s the Will power one is willing to put in to what’s important to them, and Sanjis more than willing to put his life on the line to protect those close to him just like how Zoro is willing to put his life on the line for his ambition.

Sanji wanted to stay at the baratie to protect Zeffs dream and he was willing to die for that.

Say what you want, you can’t deny that he has an unquestionable Will to protect
Literally everything you wrote can be said about any SHP...
Color of the Conqueror is for those who ''CONQUER''
PK is a conqueror's ambition, to attain it one has to DOMINATE the others.
WSS is the same thing.
Finding All Blue requires you to be ''passionate'', you don't have to conquer anything, at least for now but it can be changed anytime with some tweaks but like @trav said ''Baratie arc happened''...
Becoming a brave warrior of the sea is ambiguous though and can be interpreted as conquering.
All the others have no conquering intentions and thus won't have it.
Ambition is clearly a factor in CoC, even if it's not the only one.
 
#84
Literally everything you wrote can be said about any SHP...
Color of the Conqueror is for those who ''CONQUER''
PK is a conqueror's ambition, to attain it one has to DOMINATE the others.
WSS is the same thing.
Finding All Blue requires you to be ''passionate'', you don't have to conquer anything, at least for now but it can be changed anytime with some tweaks but like @trav said ''Baratie arc happened''...
Becoming a brave warrior of the sea is ambiguous though and can be interpreted as conquering.
All the others have no conquering intentions and thus won't have it.
Ambition is clearly a factor in CoC, even if it's not the only one.
So having a family isn’t worth CoC either right? A family doesn’t need to conquer anything. How about 9 year old aces ambition to protect Luffy? That’s not worthy of it either obviously. And just leaving a country definitely shouldn’t be worth it?

Ambition doesn’t mean anything. It’s strictly about willpower
 
#86
Problem with sanji is that he doesnt want to conquer anything.
What did Whitebeard conquer? His dream was to have a family. He didn't even tried to become the PK even tho he was the closest to it.
What did Katakuri Conquer? He is ''just'' a Commander in a Yonkou Crew.
What is Zoro gonna Conquer? Exactly, nothing. He doesn't want to Conquer anything.

Weak argument that was debunked 10000 times already.
I am not even sure if he likes fighting.
Is that a joke? Sanji lived most of his life on a Restaurant that was always fighting Pirates and what not and he is proud to call himself and his Baratie friends literaly fighting cooks. And all of them love to fight lol.
Just stop embarrassing yourself...

Drum Island:

He doesnt have what it takes to be a coc user.
And what does it take to be a CoC user? We never got a ''definition'' for that. So i am really suprised that you appereantly know the exact reasons what it takes to be a conquerer.
 

Finalbeta

Zoro Worshipper
#87
This thread is quite contrived, creation date notwithstanding.

First of all CoC was portrayed as a newborn feature, it can turn visible once coming out but one either is born with it or not.

Second Zoro factually was recently introduced with CoC, Sanji wasn't, so do we still need to consider that Sanji was shown with CoC before Zoro did? If yes when? If yes why would Oda not make a bigger fuss out of it?
 
#88
So having a family isn’t worth CoC either right? A family doesn’t need to conquer anything. How about 9 year old aces ambition to protect Luffy? That’s not worthy of it either obviously. And just leaving a country definitely shouldn’t be worth it?

Ambition doesn’t mean anything. It’s strictly about willpower
Having as big of a family in the new world takes CoC yes...how are you gonna protect hundreds in the most dangereous sea if you don't conquer...
Ace's ambition was to become the PK since he was a kid and was conquering the town he lived in, he didn't develop CoC because he wanted to protect Luffy lol it's just that CoC awakens in ''desperate'' situations.
 
#89
Having as big of a family in the new world takes CoC yes...how are you gonna protect hundreds in the most dangereous sea if you don't conquer...
Ace's ambition was to become the PK since he was a kid and was conquering the town he lived in, he didn't develop CoC because he wanted to protect Luffy lol it's just that CoC awakens in ''desperate'' situations.
Ace didn’t have the ambition to be the pirate king, never did he mention he want to be the pirate king.

So even you admit that protecting is a viable reason for CoC despite it not being his primary ambition, Sanji wants to protect everyone on that ship just like Whitebeard wanted to protect his family.
 
#90
Ace didn’t have the ambition to be the pirate king, never did he mention he want to be the pirate king.

So even you admit that protecting is a viable reason for CoC despite it not being his primary ambition, Sanji wants to protect everyone on that ship just like Whitebeard wanted to protect his family.
Frank doesn't want to protect everyone on the crew ? Brook ? Nami ? Ect...?
Ace had the ambition to become the strongest, he even set sail to beat WB aka the WSM...
 
#91
Frank doesn't want to protect everyone on the crew ? Brook ? Nami ? Ect...?
Ace had the ambition to become the strongest, he even set sail to beat WB aka the WSM...
Not the same Will Sanji does.

No other straw hats barring Zoro and Luffy has shown the willingness to face certain death in exchange to protect someone. Not like Sanji in skypeia, Thriller Bark, Dressrosa, or WCI.

Even when all those people you named were around how come the only people who jumped in to protect Toko was Sanji and Zoro? Because the others don’t have that strong of will. Same with the celestial dragons, why did no other straw hat attack them?

Usopp you can argue shows that when the going gets tough he has the same will but that’s it.
 
#98
This is like Stealthblack's 'Sanji's CoC' thread all over again. But instead of just a full stop dot this time, now its a question mark.

I'm just guessing here, but could the original title have been something along the lines of:

'Dear Zoro fans, if Sanji unlocked CoC this Arc, how would you react?'

:vistalaugh:
 
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