Powers & Abilities Bankai>>>>devil fruit awakening

#1
I just finished the soul society arc in bleach. Idk if it goes to shit afterwards, but from what I've seen, the way Kubo wrote the bankai transformation for the zanpakuto utterly shits on the similar concept of devil fruit awakening in one piece.

Even before we saw the first bankai, it was already explained:
  • what bankai is
  • who has bankai
  • how to achieve bankai
Not to mention when we actually see bankai in action, it is made undeniably clear when a character is using bankai and when they aren't.

Do you see the problem here? Loda utterly failed to do any of this shit despite having ample opportunities to do so. He never gave a solid explanation on what awakening is, he never stated who could have awakening, and he never explained how one is supposed to awaken.

The result is countless meaningless theoryposts on whether particular characters have awakening or what their awakening could be. I remember people even saying gear 4th was actually awakening all along in dressrosa.

Loda has a habit of mystery baiting to maintain audience engagement. In most cases, it works, but specifically in regards to battle related aspects, it just undermines the story. It creates needless confusion and ambiguity where none needs to exist and makes certain aspects of the story seem incoherent.

Why did Luffy, Law, and Kid just magically get awakening to beat the yonko? In bleach, we saw that Ichigo and Renji both trained for bankai in order to achieve it. Then they used it in battle. For one piece, Loda just pulled it out of thin air. Kid and Law were supposedly holding back awakening the entire time on the roof while zoro was breaking his bones and Luffy was getting KO'd fighting kaido. Not to mention gear 5 being a complete asspull that felt utterly undeserved.

Mysteries are not substance. In fact, they are the absence of substance. Oda made a decision to prioritize mysteries over substance and the result is that the vs Yonko saga suffered horribly due to it.
 
#3
I just finished the soul society arc in bleach. Idk if it goes to shit afterwards, but from what I've seen, the way Kubo wrote the bankai transformation for the zanpakuto utterly shits on the similar concept of devil fruit awakening in one piece.

Even before we saw the first bankai, it was already explained:
  • what bankai is
  • who has bankai
  • how to achieve bankai
Not to mention when we actually see bankai in action, it is made undeniably clear when a character is using bankai and when they aren't.

Do you see the problem here? Loda utterly failed to do any of this shit despite having ample opportunities to do so. He never gave a solid explanation on what awakening is, he never stated who could have awakening, and he never explained how one is supposed to awaken.

The result is countless meaningless theoryposts on whether particular characters have awakening or what their awakening could be. I remember people even saying gear 4th was actually awakening all along in dressrosa.

Loda has a habit of mystery baiting to maintain audience engagement. In most cases, it works, but specifically in regards to battle related aspects, it just undermines the story. It creates needless confusion and ambiguity where none needs to exist and makes certain aspects of the story seem incoherent.

Why did Luffy, Law, and Kid just magically get awakening to beat the yonko? In bleach, we saw that Ichigo and Renji both trained for bankai in order to achieve it. Then they used it in battle. For one piece, Loda just pulled it out of thin air. Kid and Law were supposedly holding back awakening the entire time on the roof while zoro was breaking his bones and Luffy was getting KO'd fighting kaido. Not to mention gear 5 being a complete asspull that felt utterly undeserved.

Mysteries are not substance. In fact, they are the absence of substance. Oda made a decision to prioritize mysteries over substance and the result is that the vs Yonko saga suffered horribly due to it.
Bankai>>>>>haki
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Logia awakening >>
We nothing know about awakening
 
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Herrera95

#7
Kid and Law were supposedly holding back awakening the entire time on the roof while zoro was breaking his bones and Luffy was getting KO'd fighting kaido.
Their awakenings wouldn't change a shit. Kid had no good environment to use his awakening like he had inside the castle while Law awakening just make his sword longer. Nothing that he can't do with Teleport + Gamma Knife.

Even Luffy awakening is debatable to say he got stronger with it. Definetely not a lot since he was fighting as equals with Kaido while in base and even G4. That's how Oda fucked up his power system. Base Luffy made a better job than G4 Luffy and was fighting just equal as G5 Luffy if not better since Kaido was being the best on his fight against G5 till the very end.
 
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CensoredbyWG

#10
Soul society is top 5 best shonen arcs EVER, that was kubo at his PEAK.

Unfortunately everything goes to shit afterwards when he replays soul society step by step in hueco mundo without the political aspects that made the original one so interesting.

With that said, bleach's power system one of the best, if not the best created.

If only kubo had oda's ability to tie in storylines without plotholes...
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Lmao no. But it's opinions in the end can't say much.

Also i left bleach in middle becuz i found it boring with a overpowered mc bro overcomes everything either in the same arc or next arc. Plot armour is ridiculous in that show.
Sad but true, Ichigo had 20+ transformations throughout the show.
 
#15
I just finished the soul society arc in bleach. Idk if it goes to shit afterwards, but from what I've seen, the way Kubo wrote the bankai transformation for the zanpakuto utterly shits on the similar concept of devil fruit awakening in one piece.

Even before we saw the first bankai, it was already explained:
  • what bankai is
  • who has bankai
  • how to achieve bankai
Not to mention when we actually see bankai in action, it is made undeniably clear when a character is using bankai and when they aren't.

Do you see the problem here? Loda utterly failed to do any of this shit despite having ample opportunities to do so. He never gave a solid explanation on what awakening is, he never stated who could have awakening, and he never explained how one is supposed to awaken.

The result is countless meaningless theoryposts on whether particular characters have awakening or what their awakening could be. I remember people even saying gear 4th was actually awakening all along in dressrosa.

Loda has a habit of mystery baiting to maintain audience engagement. In most cases, it works, but specifically in regards to battle related aspects, it just undermines the story. It creates needless confusion and ambiguity where none needs to exist and makes certain aspects of the story seem incoherent.

Why did Luffy, Law, and Kid just magically get awakening to beat the yonko? In bleach, we saw that Ichigo and Renji both trained for bankai in order to achieve it. Then they used it in battle. For one piece, Loda just pulled it out of thin air. Kid and Law were supposedly holding back awakening the entire time on the roof while zoro was breaking his bones and Luffy was getting KO'd fighting kaido. Not to mention gear 5 being a complete asspull that felt utterly undeserved.

Mysteries are not substance. In fact, they are the absence of substance. Oda made a decision to prioritize mysteries over substance and the result is that the vs Yonko saga suffered horribly due to it.
Good thread and good post. I completely agree:cheers:
 
#19
I just finished reading Bleach 😂
It felt like a Manhwa where character just keep getting stronger (farming for new abilities).
Should have ended with Aizen.
Aizen stuff was unnecessarily dragged out as well imo. All difficulties are simply solved by dad teachin ultimate Getsuga Mugetsu or whatever, leading Ichigo to meaninglessly oneshot all build-up of Aizen and its excitement.
 
#20
I just finished the soul society arc in bleach. Idk if it goes to shit afterwards, but from what I've seen, the way Kubo wrote the bankai transformation for the zanpakuto utterly shits on the similar concept of devil fruit awakening in one piece.

Even before we saw the first bankai, it was already explained:
  • what bankai is
  • who has bankai
  • how to achieve bankai
Not to mention when we actually see bankai in action, it is made undeniably clear when a character is using bankai and when they aren't.

Do you see the problem here? Loda utterly failed to do any of this shit despite having ample opportunities to do so. He never gave a solid explanation on what awakening is, he never stated who could have awakening, and he never explained how one is supposed to awaken.

The result is countless meaningless theoryposts on whether particular characters have awakening or what their awakening could be. I remember people even saying gear 4th was actually awakening all along in dressrosa.

Loda has a habit of mystery baiting to maintain audience engagement. In most cases, it works, but specifically in regards to battle related aspects, it just undermines the story. It creates needless confusion and ambiguity where none needs to exist and makes certain aspects of the story seem incoherent.

Why did Luffy, Law, and Kid just magically get awakening to beat the yonko? In bleach, we saw that Ichigo and Renji both trained for bankai in order to achieve it. Then they used it in battle. For one piece, Loda just pulled it out of thin air. Kid and Law were supposedly holding back awakening the entire time on the roof while zoro was breaking his bones and Luffy was getting KO'd fighting kaido. Not to mention gear 5 being a complete asspull that felt utterly undeserved.

Mysteries are not substance. In fact, they are the absence of substance. Oda made a decision to prioritize mysteries over substance and the result is that the vs Yonko saga suffered horribly due to it.
Not really a spoiler but there are wrinkles and non-linearity with a number of characters and their power acquisition later on in Bleach. Not too bad but there is some.
 
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