Future Events Be ready everyone! Oda made a huge statement!!
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He will lose a few readers abusing comedy panels and wasting time, in my opinion.
However, I doubt it will be enough to even remotely hit Oda in the wallet, sadly. (And its only a hit in the wallet that can make a person like Oda improve the quality of the dialogue exchanges and fights.)
One Piece is probably "too big" to fail now, because its reputation of old, and general human curiosity will keep sucking in new readers for limited time periods until they drop the manga only after they were hyped by old chapters and purchased enough merch to keep the money stream going.
Basically Oda talking to the audience through Luffy.
I said this before in another thread, but I do not think it is a healthy attitude for the relationship between Oda and the fans and readers of One Piece. It could turn One Piece from a functional manga with a story into what is basically an art exhibition of a variety of drawings made by Oda drawing whatever he pleases - story quality and fight scene quality is sacrificed for the sake of boring, repetitive gags.
However, there are some positive bits about it. It basically could turn One Piece into a giant middle finger against the unhealthy obsessions of radical otaku types - the kinds that basically worship manga and Japanese culture and have no life outside of it. When someone at the heart of your world speaks to you and tells you "You're obsessing over this too much, its unhealthy" it should function as a healthy wake up call. (Referring to the people who are so personally offended by the Goofy panels that they find it as some kind of affront against manga as if it was a personal religion that someone insulted or challenged/blasphemed. I mean, there are some radical otaku types that don't even feel the least bit ashamed of the loli phenomenon, or any other ugly thing that comes out of Japan. Most of them never even once visited Japan, or heard a criticism of its own culture from a native born Japanese person with a long heritage there.)
However, I doubt it will be enough to even remotely hit Oda in the wallet, sadly. (And its only a hit in the wallet that can make a person like Oda improve the quality of the dialogue exchanges and fights.)
One Piece is probably "too big" to fail now, because its reputation of old, and general human curiosity will keep sucking in new readers for limited time periods until they drop the manga only after they were hyped by old chapters and purchased enough merch to keep the money stream going.
Basically Oda talking to the audience through Luffy.
I said this before in another thread, but I do not think it is a healthy attitude for the relationship between Oda and the fans and readers of One Piece. It could turn One Piece from a functional manga with a story into what is basically an art exhibition of a variety of drawings made by Oda drawing whatever he pleases - story quality and fight scene quality is sacrificed for the sake of boring, repetitive gags.
However, there are some positive bits about it. It basically could turn One Piece into a giant middle finger against the unhealthy obsessions of radical otaku types - the kinds that basically worship manga and Japanese culture and have no life outside of it. When someone at the heart of your world speaks to you and tells you "You're obsessing over this too much, its unhealthy" it should function as a healthy wake up call. (Referring to the people who are so personally offended by the Goofy panels that they find it as some kind of affront against manga as if it was a personal religion that someone insulted or challenged/blasphemed. I mean, there are some radical otaku types that don't even feel the least bit ashamed of the loli phenomenon, or any other ugly thing that comes out of Japan. Most of them never even once visited Japan, or heard a criticism of its own culture from a native born Japanese person with a long heritage there.)
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I mean, he said this last year and so far, very little of this whole thing has been funny or jokey lol:
- Imu casually destroying a full island
- the Gorosei being evil as fuck
- All 6 of the above being hidden monsters in the world
- Cobra is dead
- Garling casually executing the one good CD lol
- Law and Kid were defeated, both of which lost their ships and crews allegedly.
- Kuma's entire tragedy lol
- Garp sacrificing himself for Koby and younger marines
- 2 VP bodies are allegedly dead.
And more. Id argue its been heavier lately then its been in years. He probably just meant G5.
- Imu casually destroying a full island
- the Gorosei being evil as fuck
- All 6 of the above being hidden monsters in the world
- Cobra is dead
- Garling casually executing the one good CD lol
- Law and Kid were defeated, both of which lost their ships and crews allegedly.
- Kuma's entire tragedy lol
- Garp sacrificing himself for Koby and younger marines
- 2 VP bodies are allegedly dead.
And more. Id argue its been heavier lately then its been in years. He probably just meant G5.
This is a good point as well, that I had not considered. In this perspective, perhaps the abuse of G5 is Oda's way of coping with the seriousness and unpleasantness of the themes he is covering, perhaps like a smoker using cigarettes to puff away their stress? It is also reasonable to suspect on some level that his coverage of the darker themes in some way correlates to things in the actual real world.
For example, the priest caste in India would be held by many to be very much like the Celestial Dragons, and some of them certainly behave that way, sadly enough.
So, that would make covering the theme all the more stressful, because it would be correlated to a human issue that is actually tangible, and stress-inducing for one to think about.
For example, the priest caste in India would be held by many to be very much like the Celestial Dragons, and some of them certainly behave that way, sadly enough.
So, that would make covering the theme all the more stressful, because it would be correlated to a human issue that is actually tangible, and stress-inducing for one to think about.
I can see this being the case. Oda very much is a tale of two cities when it comes to emotion and silliness. I would assume that its only going to get kore serious since most remaining characters arent goofy like Big Mom was for example.
But G5 Luffy is his way of still having fun while writing those serious moments
But G5 Luffy is his way of still having fun while writing those serious moments
Fascinating. Not just Greek mythology or philosophy, but ancient Hebrew thinking as well:
Proverbs 16:18
"Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall."
Not doing an evangelism agenda here, fyi. There's another time and place for something like that. But what you said does stand out. The scary thing is, there are similar proverbs and sayings in almost every imaginable cultural group of humanity. I highly suspect this was a common overall theme in all of the Ancient Levant as well, despite the great differences in local cultures. Its not that they are all copying a more ancient cultural source in this case, I believe - they literally learned the lesson the hard way, and constantly spoke about this in proverbs, sayings and stories as a warning to those who would be born in the future.
If its one of the few things all of our ancestors with all their conflicting wars, differing agendas, and tough history could manage to agree one with unison, then there is a very high probability that such a concept holds true as a universal law applicable to all humans without exception, and probably both to the individual conscience (mind of the man) and the collective conscience (mind of the people).
And sadly our greatest flaw is incredibly natural to fall to. We can literally have one hundred revered elders or celebrities telling us "Watch out" and still fall for the same old trap, eh?
Proverbs 16:18
"Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall."
Not doing an evangelism agenda here, fyi. There's another time and place for something like that. But what you said does stand out. The scary thing is, there are similar proverbs and sayings in almost every imaginable cultural group of humanity. I highly suspect this was a common overall theme in all of the Ancient Levant as well, despite the great differences in local cultures. Its not that they are all copying a more ancient cultural source in this case, I believe - they literally learned the lesson the hard way, and constantly spoke about this in proverbs, sayings and stories as a warning to those who would be born in the future.
If its one of the few things all of our ancestors with all their conflicting wars, differing agendas, and tough history could manage to agree one with unison, then there is a very high probability that such a concept holds true as a universal law applicable to all humans without exception, and probably both to the individual conscience (mind of the man) and the collective conscience (mind of the people).
And sadly our greatest flaw is incredibly natural to fall to. We can literally have one hundred revered elders or celebrities telling us "Watch out" and still fall for the same old trap, eh?
He will lose a few readers abusing comedy panels and wasting time, in my opinion.
However, I doubt it will be enough to even remotely hit Oda in the wallet, sadly. (And its only a hit in the wallet that can make a person like Oda improve the quality of the dialogue exchanges and fights.)
One Piece is probably "too big" to fail now, because its reputation of old, and general human curiosity will keep sucking in new readers for limited time periods until they drop the manga only after they were hyped by old chapters and purchased enough merch to keep the money stream going.
Basically Oda talking to the audience through Luffy.
I said this before in another thread, but I do not think it is a healthy attitude for the relationship between Oda and the fans and readers of One Piece. It could turn One Piece from a functional manga with a story into what is basically an art exhibition of a variety of drawings made by Oda drawing whatever he pleases - story quality and fight scene quality is sacrificed for the sake of boring, repetitive gags.
However, there are some positive bits about it. It basically could turn One Piece into a giant middle finger against the unhealthy obsessions of radical otaku types - the kinds that basically worship manga and Japanese culture and have no life outside of it. When someone at the heart of your world speaks to you and tells you "You're obsessing over this too much, its unhealthy" it should function as a healthy wake up call. (Referring to the people who are so personally offended by the Goofy panels that they find it as some kind of affront against manga as if it was a personal religion that someone insulted or challenged/blasphemed. I mean, there are some radical otaku types that don't even feel the least bit ashamed of the loli phenomenon, or any other ugly thing that comes out of Japan. Most of them never even once visited Japan, or heard a criticism of its own culture from a native born Japanese person with a long heritage there.)
However, I doubt it will be enough to even remotely hit Oda in the wallet, sadly. (And its only a hit in the wallet that can make a person like Oda improve the quality of the dialogue exchanges and fights.)
One Piece is probably "too big" to fail now, because its reputation of old, and general human curiosity will keep sucking in new readers for limited time periods until they drop the manga only after they were hyped by old chapters and purchased enough merch to keep the money stream going.
Basically Oda talking to the audience through Luffy.
I said this before in another thread, but I do not think it is a healthy attitude for the relationship between Oda and the fans and readers of One Piece. It could turn One Piece from a functional manga with a story into what is basically an art exhibition of a variety of drawings made by Oda drawing whatever he pleases - story quality and fight scene quality is sacrificed for the sake of boring, repetitive gags.
However, there are some positive bits about it. It basically could turn One Piece into a giant middle finger against the unhealthy obsessions of radical otaku types - the kinds that basically worship manga and Japanese culture and have no life outside of it. When someone at the heart of your world speaks to you and tells you "You're obsessing over this too much, its unhealthy" it should function as a healthy wake up call. (Referring to the people who are so personally offended by the Goofy panels that they find it as some kind of affront against manga as if it was a personal religion that someone insulted or challenged/blasphemed. I mean, there are some radical otaku types that don't even feel the least bit ashamed of the loli phenomenon, or any other ugly thing that comes out of Japan. Most of them never even once visited Japan, or heard a criticism of its own culture from a native born Japanese person with a long heritage there.)
'You're obsessing over this too much, its unhealthy' is certainly something that you should apply to yourself as well because those otakus certainly have nothing to do with the topic but you felt the need to bring them up.
Actually, its not unrelated. The concept of the self-insert and a cultural commentary being embedded into a manga by its own creator. I am not the first and only one to talk about such a concept on this forum. And actually, some people have already concluded that this is the case, whereas I myself am still "feeling it out" and trying to understand what it really means if it is indeed all true, what lessons I should draw from it.
If you recall some past discussions from, for example Oda's SBS, he at times indicated much of the manga consumer culture has a demand for very well drawn characters, articulate fight choreography and I guess by inference emotionally moving plot lines with moral and romantic themes. (Especially romance between young, good looking teenager type characters and the like.). If you read the discussions like that where Oda actually commented, he did not speak in such a way as to indicate he was too pleased with the demands of the consumers or fans, if you will. He wrote of it as something he has to deal with, not as an expectation he personally enjoys satisfying.
So, when Oda subverts an expectation for either art, or poetic and moving storylines, or some other with a version of the manga that seems intrinsically different in some ways from say, the pre-timeskip era... it's not guarenteed or a given that its "out of no where" as if its something forced on Oda by editors or whatever. It's literally out of the author himself. Consider the development of the character designs. Oda did not always draw the characters the same way. When One Piece started, the art style was quite different than later chapters. Is that an adaptation that Oda made perfectly willingly, or out of necessity to satisfy cultural expecations and thus to be successful in maintaining an income?
The commentary of how Oda's idea of "Now I can do whatever I want" and how it relates to, say the radical Otaku culture, is that Oda obviously has not indicated a great deal of loyalty to many of the Japanese philosophical writing concepts and their expectations imposed that would be reflected in what we might call "higher quality scenes" as we perceive it. Have you ever grasped the concept of the "Now wealthy" business owner who begins to openly disrespect and disparage his own workers because he has reached a point where he can do what he wants and get away with it? You would conclude, nothing changed except the fact that he could get away with it. The desire and will was always there, just not the political immunity. What I am implying is obvious. There are a group of manga consumers with high expectations for good art, certain story lines, and ideas of how things should happen based on common Japanese cultural norms that are frequently used in an almost formulaic way in manga, and it is quite possible that Oda is intentionally rebelling against all that.
So even though we might have people who hate the "Tom and Jerry" art concept, and have this idea and say things with personal anger like "Why the fuck is Oda dabbling in the Westernized art style that looks like shit, and is goofy as hell" - there is a lot of evidence to bring up suggesting that Oda never shared the same obessession with Japanese culture that some of the readers did. Part of that culture is absolute seriousness in their work ethic, especially with a view to art and spiritual philosophy, and obviously drawings by inference. Remember, Japan is a nation that has been known to even treat tea making - literally, tea making - the most idiotically simple act of pouring boiling water into a cup with a tea bag - as an art. They are known worldwide for seriousness, and treating things as art and sharing their moral philosophies in stories that often share the same themes, despite having very different authors.
Consider Armstrong's commentary on the Cherry Blossoms in Metal Gear Rising for example.
Armstrong is obviously seen as "The American view" of Japan, and the people who supposedly call the cherry blossoms "fleeting and beautiful" are seen as representative of Japanese thought - but that's just an absolute caricature, of course. Many Americans are now obsessed with Japanese culture and manga, for example, and some Japanese dislike those elements of their own culture because of a perceived over saturation. "Too much of anything, even good things, is unhealthy".
Don't you think that Oda might hate the idea that every single Japanese manga looks in some intrinsic way, the same, when it comes to art quality, fight scene expectations and moral themes? Is it not possible that he might hold disdain, and view it as soulless and repetitive, a mere formula that is repeated and exploited?
For another example, consider the Gundam series. I love it. I find it very deep, and the art is awesome.
Yet at the end of the day, is there not a good argument that despite all moral themes and art quality, Gundam is just an excuse to sell overpriced toys and merchandise?
I am sure this concept is relatable.
If you recall some past discussions from, for example Oda's SBS, he at times indicated much of the manga consumer culture has a demand for very well drawn characters, articulate fight choreography and I guess by inference emotionally moving plot lines with moral and romantic themes. (Especially romance between young, good looking teenager type characters and the like.). If you read the discussions like that where Oda actually commented, he did not speak in such a way as to indicate he was too pleased with the demands of the consumers or fans, if you will. He wrote of it as something he has to deal with, not as an expectation he personally enjoys satisfying.
So, when Oda subverts an expectation for either art, or poetic and moving storylines, or some other with a version of the manga that seems intrinsically different in some ways from say, the pre-timeskip era... it's not guarenteed or a given that its "out of no where" as if its something forced on Oda by editors or whatever. It's literally out of the author himself. Consider the development of the character designs. Oda did not always draw the characters the same way. When One Piece started, the art style was quite different than later chapters. Is that an adaptation that Oda made perfectly willingly, or out of necessity to satisfy cultural expecations and thus to be successful in maintaining an income?
The commentary of how Oda's idea of "Now I can do whatever I want" and how it relates to, say the radical Otaku culture, is that Oda obviously has not indicated a great deal of loyalty to many of the Japanese philosophical writing concepts and their expectations imposed that would be reflected in what we might call "higher quality scenes" as we perceive it. Have you ever grasped the concept of the "Now wealthy" business owner who begins to openly disrespect and disparage his own workers because he has reached a point where he can do what he wants and get away with it? You would conclude, nothing changed except the fact that he could get away with it. The desire and will was always there, just not the political immunity. What I am implying is obvious. There are a group of manga consumers with high expectations for good art, certain story lines, and ideas of how things should happen based on common Japanese cultural norms that are frequently used in an almost formulaic way in manga, and it is quite possible that Oda is intentionally rebelling against all that.
So even though we might have people who hate the "Tom and Jerry" art concept, and have this idea and say things with personal anger like "Why the fuck is Oda dabbling in the Westernized art style that looks like shit, and is goofy as hell" - there is a lot of evidence to bring up suggesting that Oda never shared the same obessession with Japanese culture that some of the readers did. Part of that culture is absolute seriousness in their work ethic, especially with a view to art and spiritual philosophy, and obviously drawings by inference. Remember, Japan is a nation that has been known to even treat tea making - literally, tea making - the most idiotically simple act of pouring boiling water into a cup with a tea bag - as an art. They are known worldwide for seriousness, and treating things as art and sharing their moral philosophies in stories that often share the same themes, despite having very different authors.
Consider Armstrong's commentary on the Cherry Blossoms in Metal Gear Rising for example.
Armstrong is obviously seen as "The American view" of Japan, and the people who supposedly call the cherry blossoms "fleeting and beautiful" are seen as representative of Japanese thought - but that's just an absolute caricature, of course. Many Americans are now obsessed with Japanese culture and manga, for example, and some Japanese dislike those elements of their own culture because of a perceived over saturation. "Too much of anything, even good things, is unhealthy".
Don't you think that Oda might hate the idea that every single Japanese manga looks in some intrinsic way, the same, when it comes to art quality, fight scene expectations and moral themes? Is it not possible that he might hold disdain, and view it as soulless and repetitive, a mere formula that is repeated and exploited?
For another example, consider the Gundam series. I love it. I find it very deep, and the art is awesome.
Yet at the end of the day, is there not a good argument that despite all moral themes and art quality, Gundam is just an excuse to sell overpriced toys and merchandise?
I am sure this concept is relatable.
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Yeah, One Piece is basically too big to fail at this point. A lot of those that claim they’ll drop it or delete accounts will still show up to read it whenever a new chapter comes out.
That being said, it is quite a blow to readers that Oda doesn’t care and wants to do whatever he wants even if it’s not good for the story.
At least no matter what happens, One Piece before Nika is still one of the greatest of all time!
That being said, it is quite a blow to readers that Oda doesn’t care and wants to do whatever he wants even if it’s not good for the story.
At least no matter what happens, One Piece before Nika is still one of the greatest of all time!
Well,pre-skip Luffy barely had a fight where he could not beat someone due to the lack of haki or proper powers to counter DFs.I think the next arcs will be a lot similar to earlier skip(Jaya and other early arcs).Luffy will win by figuring out his opponents weakness.He doesnt really need any power up.