Questions & Mysteries Best explanation for Kaido's top 5 list

Is Kaido top 5 about top 5 Haki?

  • Yes its about top 5 Haki

  • No its about overall strength not Haki only


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#1

''Shanks beat Kaido thats why he is on the list''

It doesn't make sense for people to call Kaido WSC when Shanks beat him.

2 Emperors fighting is an event that many is seeing.

It can't be a secret fight between DFless Teach vs Shanks.

So Shanks definitely didn't beat Kaido, but proved he was powerful enough.

We literally see Oden didn't beat Kaido as well, Kaido compared that killing Luffy moment to defeating Oden moment, Kaido was far from over after Oden's attack.

If its not about the people who beat Kaido, then is that about top 5 strength overall?

Nope, its not about top 5 most powerful too,

It doesn't make sense to put Oden above Big mom, Rayleigh or Garp.

I think this is about top 5 Haki users.

Because all the conversation that Luffy punching Kaido was about Haki



So it makes sense when everyone is thinking about ''Haki'', Kaido too thought about top 5 Haki users that he fought.

It might be weird for you to think Oden's Haki > Big mom's or Rayleigh's Haki, but its possible only in Haki department, Oden might be superior.

1- Big mom has a very powerful DF to compensate so she can be stronger than Oden when you add her DF.

2- Rayleigh's fight IQ and perhaps his skills as martial artist is superior to most even if he doesn't have top 5 best Haki level. Rayleigh literally trained Luffy to be more efficient as a fighter, Ray is more skilled than most.



3- Garp's training was mostly about physical training while punching battleships, he wasnt training his Haki, so Garp can compensate that by having greater physical stats and has top 10 best Haki but no top 5 so he can too perhaps be stronger than Oden overall.

Oden was such a Haki monster that he was able to use Enma when he was very young, a sword that would instantly kills a normal swordsman:



''If you were just some normal swordsman, you would have had all your energy sucked out and collapsed immediately... Well done.''

A sword that makes Rooftop Zolo look weak, was nothing to even Pre-WB pirates Oden:




Oden's Haki was so absurdly powerful that even his much inexperienced and younger version used Enma better than Rooftop Zolo.



''Not been measuring up to its standards!''

Zolo after using KOH still has time limit, Oden never had any time limit while using his special swords.

Oden's Haki was so absurdly powerful, he literally left behind his presence inside of Enma that both Kaido and Big mom pointed out Oden's presence and Enma, not Zolo's:



Not Zolo's Haki, not Zolo's technique, but talks about Zolo's sword.



Kaido literally says ''Oden's presence''.

Oden's Haki was always absurdly powerful, even after he died his Haki is being talked about.



Wano Samurai know CoC Haki as ''Oden's ability''.



''Oden's ryou''

Shanks:



Shanks was always hyped due to his much superior Haki level.

So it makes sense to put Shanks above other Emperors and Admirals since they have DF powers while Shanks is only specialized in Haki and naturally must have better Haki to be on their level.
 
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#7

''Shanks beat Kaido thats why he is on the list''

It doesn't make sense for people to call Kaido WSC when Shanks beat him.

2 Emperors fighting is an event that many is seeing.

It can't be a secret fight between DFless Teach vs Shanks.

So Shanks definitely didn't beat Kaido, but proved he was powerful enough.

We literally see Oden didn't beat Kaido as well, Kaido compared that killing Luffy moment to defeating Oden moment, Kaido was far from over after Oden's attack.

If its not about the people who beat Kaido, then is that about top 5 strength overall?

Nope, its not about top 5 most powerful too,

It doesn't make sense to put Oden above Big mom, Rayleigh or Garp.

I think this is about top 5 Haki users.

Because all the conversation that Luffy punching Kaido was about Haki



So it makes sense when everyone is thinking about ''Haki'', Kaido too thought about top 5 Haki users that he fought.

It might be weird for you to think Oden's Haki > Big mom's or Rayleigh's Haki, but its possible only in Haki department, Oden might be superior.

1- Big mom has a very powerful DF to compensate so she can be stronger than Oden when you add her DF.

2- Rayleigh's fight IQ and perhaps his skills as martial artist is superior to most even if he doesn't have top 5 best Haki level. Rayleigh literally trained Luffy to be more efficient as a fighter, Ray is more skilled than most.



3- Garp's training was mostly about physical training while punching battleships, he wasnt training his Haki, so Garp can compensate that by having greater physical stats and has top 10 best Haki but no top 5 so he can too perhaps be stronger than Oden overall.

Oden was such a Haki monster that he was able to use Enma when he was very young, a sword that would instantly kills a normal swordsman:



''If you were just some normal swordsman, you would have had all your energy sucked out and collapsed immediately... Well done.''

A sword that makes Rooftop Zolo look weak, was nothing to even Pre-WB pirates Oden:




Oden's Haki was so absurdly powerful that even his much inexperienced and younger version used Enma better than Rooftop Zolo.



''Not been measuring up to its standards!''

Zolo after using KOH still has time limit, Oden never had any time limit while using his special swords.

Oden's Haki was so absurdly powerful, he literally left behind his presence inside of Enma that both Kaido and Big mom pointed out Oden's presence and Enma, not Zolo's:



Not Zolo's Haki, not Zolo's technique, but talks about Zolo's sword.



Kaido literally says ''Oden's presence''.

Oden's Haki was always absurdly powerful, even after he died his Haki is being talked about.



Wano Samurai know CoC Haki as ''Oden's ability''.



''Oden's ryou''

Shanks:



Shanks was always hyped due to his much superior Haki level.

So it makes sense to put Shanks above other Emperors and Admirals since they have DF powers while Shanks is only specialized in Haki and naturally must have better Haki to be on their level.
You cooked
 
#8

''Shanks beat Kaido thats why he is on the list''

It doesn't make sense for people to call Kaido WSC when Shanks beat him.

2 Emperors fighting is an event that many is seeing.

It can't be a secret fight between DFless Teach vs Shanks.

So Shanks definitely didn't beat Kaido, but proved he was powerful enough.

We literally see Oden didn't beat Kaido as well, Kaido compared that killing Luffy moment to defeating Oden moment, Kaido was far from over after Oden's attack.

If its not about the people who beat Kaido, then is that about top 5 strength overall?

Nope, its not about top 5 most powerful too,

It doesn't make sense to put Oden above Big mom, Rayleigh or Garp.

I think this is about top 5 Haki users.

Because all the conversation that Luffy punching Kaido was about Haki



So it makes sense when everyone is thinking about ''Haki'', Kaido too thought about top 5 Haki users that he fought.

It might be weird for you to think Oden's Haki > Big mom's or Rayleigh's Haki, but its possible only in Haki department, Oden might be superior.

1- Big mom has a very powerful DF to compensate so she can be stronger than Oden when you add her DF.

2- Rayleigh's fight IQ and perhaps his skills as martial artist is superior to most even if he doesn't have top 5 best Haki level. Rayleigh literally trained Luffy to be more efficient as a fighter, Ray is more skilled than most.



3- Garp's training was mostly about physical training while punching battleships, he wasnt training his Haki, so Garp can compensate that by having greater physical stats and has top 10 best Haki but no top 5 so he can too perhaps be stronger than Oden overall.

Oden was such a Haki monster that he was able to use Enma when he was very young, a sword that would instantly kills a normal swordsman:



''If you were just some normal swordsman, you would have had all your energy sucked out and collapsed immediately... Well done.''

A sword that makes Rooftop Zolo look weak, was nothing to even Pre-WB pirates Oden:




Oden's Haki was so absurdly powerful that even his much inexperienced and younger version used Enma better than Rooftop Zolo.



''Not been measuring up to its standards!''

Zolo after using KOH still has time limit, Oden never had any time limit while using his special swords.

Oden's Haki was so absurdly powerful, he literally left behind his presence inside of Enma that both Kaido and Big mom pointed out Oden's presence and Enma, not Zolo's:



Not Zolo's Haki, not Zolo's technique, but talks about Zolo's sword.



Kaido literally says ''Oden's presence''.

Oden's Haki was always absurdly powerful, even after he died his Haki is being talked about.



Wano Samurai know CoC Haki as ''Oden's ability''.



''Oden's ryou''

Shanks:



Shanks was always hyped due to his much superior Haki level.

So it makes sense to put Shanks above other Emperors and Admirals since they have DF powers while Shanks is only specialized in Haki and naturally must have better Haki to be on their level.
Or, or its about the people Kaido believes can fight him like its stated by him. Its really that simple bro why are we complicating things?
 
#9
Or, or its about the people Kaido believes can fight him like its stated by him. Its really that simple bro why are we complicating things?
Big mom, Rayleigh and Garp can't fight him?

Lmao did you even read the thread before crying?
Zoro has acoc at 21
Oden didn't have acoc until mid 30s
Oden couldn't make enma black
Enma is used to ODENS PRIME
Completely from your ass as usual ZKKclown.

People like Yamato, Ace and even Doflamingo used CoC Haki when they were kids. Luffy used CoC Pre-TS, Zolo never did. Oden was clearly special like those, he wasn't like Zolo.

While even Post-TS Zolo still couldn't use CoC, Zolo needed Enma to use CoC lmao stupid clown marimo is not comparable to Oden's Haki.

10 years old Oden used Enma, him using CoC Haki when he is a kid highly possible, Oden not having Ad.CoC or CoC until 30 is your ZKK ass canon. Oda literally said Pre-WB Pirates Oden can use Ad.CoC already:

''Question : I always play in the kindergarten and use "Togen Shirataki" and "Kamusari" will I get stronger?''
''Oda : Woah! Take it easy on the conqueror's haki!''

-SBS Vol.100


Pre-WB Pirates Oden using Ad.CoC yet clown think Oden wasn't using Ad.CoC until 30 bullshitting from ZKKass.

Oden was using Enma when he was 10 years old. Even Enies Lobby Zolo would die 2 years ago if he held Enma.

Zolo's Haki specialty is not CoC like the rest, since you dumb clowns put Zolo in same tier with Luffy every chance due to both being member of ''worstgen supernova'' etc why Oda did separate Luffy from Zolo here? Luffy is specialized in CoC like Kaido top 5, Zolo is not.



Roger/Shanks/Oden is clearly specialized in CoC Haki like Luffy, difference between CoA specialists Zolo/Mihawk.
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#15
More of Erkan's mental gymnastics...

Of course it is about strength overall, lol. There are no people in OP world going around and competing in skills, haki or whatever only.
It is always about strength overall. And in order to be capable of fighting Kaido having good haki is a must.

It doesn't make sense to put Oden above Big mom, Rayleigh or Garp.
This is where you fail, Erkek. Because you are scared of what Oden>BM/Ray/Garp means regarding Zoro and Mihawk.
Oden had surpassed both Roger and WB when he fought Kaido and yes, current Zoro is stronger than all of them.
Of course, that places Mihawk even higher but you knew that already, didnt you? :milaugh:
 
#18
Unless you believe that Oden is as strong as Roger or xebec, then it is what it is. Majority of us don't so it's more likely that Oden is the minimum standard of beating him.
Oden was trash and got lucky he never faced against hybrid Kaido or bulky mode Kaido. Man legit got one shot by nameless attack from base Kaido lol.
 
#19
Oden was trash and got lucky he never faced against hybrid Kaido or bulky mode Kaido. Man legit got one shot by nameless attack from base Kaido lol.
Yeah but if Oden is trash and so is Roger/xebec if you believe that those 5 are of equal strength. That's why we don't believe that those 5 are weaker. Oden was the first swordsman he faced so he thinks those guys could fuck him up too as they are stronger.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
#20
Big mom, Rayleigh and Garp can't fight him?

Lmao did you even read the thread before crying?

Completely from your ass as usual ZKKclown.

People like Yamato, Ace and even Doflamingo used CoC Haki when they were kids. Luffy used CoC Pre-TS, Zolo never did. Oden was clearly special like those, he wasn't like Zolo.

While even Post-TS Zolo still couldn't use CoC, Zolo needed Enma to use CoC lmao stupid clown marimo is not comparable to Oden's Haki.

10 years old Oden used Enma, him using CoC Haki when he is a kid highly possible, Oden not having Ad.CoC or CoC until 30 is your ZKK ass canon. Oda literally said Pre-WB Pirates Oden can use Ad.CoC already:

''Question : I always play in the kindergarten and use "Togen Shirataki" and "Kamusari" will I get stronger?''
''Oda : Woah! Take it easy on the conqueror's haki!''

-SBS Vol.100


Pre-WB Pirates Oden using Ad.CoC yet clown think Oden wasn't using Ad.CoC until 30 bullshitting from ZKKass.

Oden was using Enma when he was 10 years old. Even Enies Lobby Zolo would die 2 years ago if he held Enma.

Zolo's Haki specialty is not CoC like the rest, since you dumb clowns put Zolo in same tier with Luffy every chance due to both being member of ''worstgen supernova'' etc why Oda did separate Luffy from Zolo here? Luffy is specialized in CoC like Kaido top 5, Zolo is not.



Roger/Shanks/Oden is clearly specialized in CoC Haki like Luffy, difference between CoA specialists Zolo/Mihawk.
You dumb bug eyes no one is talking about basic coc

Oden didn't know what acoc was until he saw Roger and wb use it.

Enma has nothing to do with coc
Enma only needs RYOU dumbass

Odens attack on the pig is not acoc
There is no black lightning no zzt no nothing bug eyes

The rest is just nonsense
 
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