Controversial Bleach verse > Dragonball verse

[Killer#777]

Dragon Ball characters regularly launch planetary level attacks at each other without destroying planets. They just don't aim at the feckin planet they're standing on. Lol.

no they don't lol. Not every single punch,kick, or even ki technique they put out has planetary ap they need the planet to survive in especially goku and Vegeta who aren't built to survive the vacuum of space. Also they need to fully concentrate their ki in order to pull that off and even if they do it's not instantaneously like beerus.

Also mega lol at "hax abilities >>> destructive power" when two of Bleach's strongest characters in Kenpachi and Ichigo are just dudes who swing swords hard.

we're not talking about Ichigo or kenpachi just in general amongst the top captains. Kenpachi and Ichigo would cut Goku and Vegeta in half but it can't be said for Goku and Vegeta in vice versa despite their strength.

You aren't convincing me that hax >>> power in the context of Bleach when Kenpachi out-muscled a fucking reality warper.

he cut space itself which isn't possible with just normal physical strength.

Even in the scenario that Yhwach and Ichibe or whatever can hax out Beerus or Zeno, that still doesn't change the fact that the average Bleach character gets shredded by the average Dragon Ball character.

most dragon Ball characters can't even harm a shinigami normally especially with no reiryoku.
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Pretty sure it was touted as an impressive feat in the story which makes sense, Beerus and SSG Goku were already at universal levels when the shook they universe from their clash lol

yeah and that's from them clashing to accomplish then feat. Senjumaru's reiatsu alone affected three universes the moment she released her bankai. A little bit more impressive if beerus could do what he did with his own power.
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Ask yourself this question, Kenpachi vs Radditz as example, how the fight would go?

raditz will lose by Zaraki ripping his throat out.

 

[Roo]

no they don't lol. Not every single punch,kick, or even ki technique they put out has planetary ap they need the planet to survive in especially goku and Vegeta who aren't built to survive the vacuum of space. Also they need to fully concentrate their ki in order to pull that off and even if they do it's not instantaneously like beerus.

we're not talking about Ichigo or kenpachi just in general amongst the top captains. Kenpachi and Ichigo would cut Goku and Vegeta in half but it can't be said for Goku and Vegeta in vice versa despite their strength.
he cut space itself which isn't possible with just normal physical strength.

most dragon Ball characters can't even harm a shinigami normally especially with no reiryoku.
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yeah and that's from them clashing to accomplish then feat. Senjumaru's reiatsu alone affected three universes the moment she released her bankai. A little bit more impressive if beerus could do what he did with his own power.
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raditz will lose by Zaraki ripping his throat out.

If we’re talking about size isn’t Senjumaru’s feat kinda weaker considering they were small universes irrc?

 

[Killer#777]

The problem with Nappa, he is cocky.
And this might be the only reason why Yamamato and co could maybe pull the W,

pull? Nappa getting dog walked from the heat alone.
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If we’re talking about size isn’t Senjumaru’s feat kinda weaker considering they were small universes irrc?

nowhere was that stated to be small universes.
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This @Killer#777 guy pretends as if the DBZ verse has to deal with some Medaka Box level characters or something like that who genuinely have broken hax while we have several examples of physical power houses dealing with haxed Bleach characters lol.

funny didn't Guldo almost kill Gohan and krillen despite being stronger than him overall lol? I swear dragon Ball fans don't even read their own series apparently.

 

[DemarIkh]

“Not every kick or punch is planetary” I’m sorry piccolo used an attack that erased the moon on raditz that did nothing to him. Are you trying to tell me that any attack on Goku that harms him while he’s in god might not be above planetary? Does raditz have better durability than DBS Goku? Do you hear how you sound right now lmao. I’m not even talking about bleach vs DB but that’s so fucking stupid
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Original dragon ball Roshi actually has stronger attacks than dragon ball super Goku because his attack has moon level AP and Goku doesn’t!

 

[Owl Ki]

no they don't lol. Not every single punch,kick, or even ki technique they put out has planetary ap

The scouter system makes it pretty feckin clear that if you want to kill someone of a certain power level, you need to kill them with an attack that has greater output than the opponent's power level. You want to kill a prepared Saiyan Saga Vegeta level and above opponent with a ki technique? Planet killer level attack or go home.

they need the planet to survive in especially goku and Vegeta who aren't built to survive the vacuum of space.

Which is why they either don't aim it at the planet itself (e.g. Vegeta's Final Flash against Cell, Goku's Kamehameha against Cell, Goku's Kamehameha/Kaioken combo against Vegeta) or they use a controlled technique that can kill an opponent without needing to explode (e.g. Spirit Bomb against Kid Buu).

Just because they're not destroying the planet doesn't mean they're not throwing out planetary attacks. Lmao.

Also they need to fully concentrate their ki in order to pull that off and even if they do it's not instantaneously like beerus.

Earlier in the series? Sure. Later on though you got Buu ripping through multiple planets in seconds. Even Base Frieza took little to no time blowing up planet Vegeta.

And that's planets. Piccolo took seconds to destroy the moon and that was before the Saiyan Arc.

we're not talking about Ichigo or kenpachi just in general amongst the top captains.

Why aren't we talking about those two? Kenpachi is a top captain and Ichigo is amongst the top dogs. Yhwach even singles those two as amongst the Top 5 threats facing the Quincies.

Two "swing sword hard" blokes got specifically singled out as greater threats than numerous hax sassenachs. Lol.

Kenpachi and Ichigo would cut Goku and Vegeta in half but it can't be said for Goku and Vegeta in vice versa despite their strength.

Kenpachi's greatest destruction feat is destroying a meteor. He isn't beating a Universal level opponent. Get real. Lol.

he cut space itself which isn't possible with just normal physical strength.

Welcome to fiction where shit that doesn't make sense happens anyway. Tis not my fault that Kubo wrote his manga in such a way that reality warpers and other hax blokes can get punched into submission by strong guys which doesn't bode well for the aforementioned hax blokes in multiverse matchups with casual planet busters.

most dragon Ball characters can't even harm a shinigami normally especially with no reiryoku.

If you truly believed Bleach characters were stronger than Dragon Ball characters, you wouldn't need to hang onto this weasel clause that prevents interaction between them.

 

[T2K Baka]

In fact Jiren himself can shake the void the ToP took place in

This is a trash argument. Shaking nothing doesn't mean anything. Also, if you think the void is infinite, then you're mistaken since it was a mistranslation. It's eternal and empty, not infinite.

"ビルス）時間も空間もない 永遠と虚無だけに満ちた世界だ

Bills) A world devoid of time and space, filled only with eternity and nothingness."
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If we’re talking about size isn’t Senjumaru’s feat kinda weaker considering they were small universes irrc?

The World of the Living represents our IRL universe and the SS is the same size as it. Not gonna bother with HM since it's size isn't fully confirmed, but those two can be argued to be universe-sized realms.


The fact that matter from the WoTL and SS can't mix also helps reaffirm that it's beyond planetary. Yhwach destoying these realms with his power (not environmental damage) shows that he's a lot stronger than people say in AP.


His main factor is just his hax, like the Almighty (affecting infinite timelines). Then you've got the dead Sternritter Schrifts, which, combined with his Almighty, can be powerful. This is assuming you grant them to him, which he should have narratively.


We'll see what happens when the anime's final season comes out; it either makes or breaks Bleach powerscaling.
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Leading again with Yhwach who can see the future and act on it via changing it. Only question is, does his almighty work against a physical monster like Nappa? There is a limit, Nappa is beyond that lvl.

Yhwach affects the timeline itself; Nappa isn't above time, so I don't see why he wouldn't be affected.

Gremmy alone basically shuts the entire argument down. Bloke was a straight up reality warper that could turn anything he imagined in his head into reality.

It's easy to ignore the context of the fight and just claim he beat Gremmy while in reality it was basically Gremmy beating himself. Yhwach had him locked up and stunted for most of the time so he wouldn't be a problem.

You can´t come in this thread telling people Bleach would win because of hax and that Dragonball physical different wont matter when we literally have Kenpachi and Ichigo who doesn´t even have hax powers on their own and yet easily defeating these "hax" monsters.

The hax monsters like Yhwach, Aizen, and Gremmy didn't lose "easily". Kenpachi almost died and he won due to Gremmy throwing the fight since his imagination can work against him (probably one of the more balanced approaches to reality warping powers). Ichigo only beat Yhwach due to Aizen's KS, Jugram's betrayal, Yhwach's arrogance, Tsukishima's past manipulation, Orihime's causality manipulation, the kryptonite arrow, etc.

Why do we need to ignore the context of these fights and just randomly claim it was an easy win for them? Hell, even Ichigo beating Aizen was due to Kisuke clutching with a seal at the last minute.

I know it's easier to claim Nappa wipes out X character when weaker characters caused big boom and made the moon go bye-bye, but they are still susceptible to hax (unless they've shown resistance or immunity to them).


Btw I'm not arguing with the other guy; I have my own view on this.

 

[Shiroyru]

@TheAncientCenturion So are Naruto stans actually the most sane among the Big 3?

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

@TheAncientCenturion So are Naruto stans actually the most sane among the Big 3?

Always been the case, Bleach fans have a lot of little brother issues

 

[Shiroyru]

Always been the case, Bleach fans have a lot of little brother issues

Naruto fans like to keep it nice and simple. Naruto god tiers are moon level because they have moon level feats. Whereas OP fans try to scale Kaido to planetary based on absolutely nothing and Bleach fans try to scale Bleach characters to universal based on absolutely nothing

 

[matt245]

Always been the case, Bleach fans have a lot of little brother issues

Being insecure is a curse

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Naruto fans like to keep it nice and simple. Naruto god tiers are moon level because they have moon level feats. Whereas OP fans try to scale Kaido to planetary based on absolutely nothing and Bleach fans try to scale Bleach characters to universal based on absolutely nothing

Naruto fans just get to be the cringiest of the big 3 fanbase, our curse to bare

 

[Shiroyru]

Naruto fans just get to be the cringiest of the big 3 fanbase, our curse to bare

No that goes to OP

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

No that goes to OP

We Naruto ran in public in the early 2000s, Macho. Unironically

 

[Killer#777]

“Not every kick or punch is planetary” I’m sorry piccolo used an attack that erased the moon on raditz that did nothing to him.

my guy that's irrelevant because those were two different ki techniques being displayed. The makankosappo has higher ki concentration than that ki blast he used against the Moon despite being highly destructive. Also raditz did get hurt he avoided it for a reason.

Are you trying to tell me that any attack on Goku that harms him while he’s in god might not be above planetary?

why do you assume something has to be planetary destructive to harm Goku? Also you are overhyping God ki shin had God ki and Goku could still kill him despite not having it at the time in the Buu saga.

Does raditz have better durability than DBS Goku?

if ki wasn't involved they are relative at best but with ki involved he trumps over raditz.

Original dragon ball Roshi actually has stronger attacks than dragon ball super Goku because his attack has moon level AP and Goku doesn’t!

are you really using dragon Ball that was a gag manga as your reference lol? Oh let me guess you don't care Goku can take his power pole to the Moon despite not being able to breathe in space beforehand?
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The scouter system makes it pretty fuckin clear that if you want to kill someone of a certain power level, you need to kill them with an attack that has greater output than the opponent's power level.

what does power level have to do with destructor capabilities? You can kill characters without having to amount to that. Piccolo did that with raditz, Goku with with boo, and gohan with cell. You think krillen's Kienzan that cut Frieza's tail in his second state has planetary destructive capacity? Of course not it's all about the technique of one's ki and how it is used.

You want to kill a prepared Saiyan Saga Vegeta level and above opponent with a ki technique? Planet killer level attack or go home.

yeah that's not how it works in dragon Ball if you actually read the Manga. Also didn't yajirobe cut Vegeta's back despite being lower in power level?

Which is why they either don't aim it at the planet itself (e.g. Vegeta's Final Flash against Cell, Goku's Kamehameha against Cell, Goku's Kamehameha/Kaioken combo against Vegeta) or they use a controlled technique that can kill an opponent without needing to explode (e.g. Spirit Bomb against Kid Buu).

both the Kamehameha and the final flash both had to be concentrated with ki in order to pull that off which leaves Goku and mainly Vegeta vulnerable to be attacked. They're also easily predictable to avoid.

Just because they're not destroying the planet doesn't mean they're not throwing out planetary attacks. Lmao.

yeah that's exactly what it means.

Earlier in the series? Sure. Later on though you got Buu ripping through multiple planets in seconds. Even Base Frieza took little to no time blowing up planet Vegeta.

no he didn't I actually read the Manga it took years for boo to do that the supreme Kai already explained this in the manga. And if you are using the anime as a depiction then you know why it doesn't match with the manga.

Why aren't we talking about those two? Kenpachi is a top captain and Ichigo is amongst the top dogs. Yhwach even singles those two as amongst the Top 5 threats facing the Quincies.

did you forget what askin did to Ichigo?

Yhwach even singles those two as amongst the Top 5 threats facing the Quincies.

Mayuri and shunsui defeated two of yhwach royal guards and they not are part of the five potential war threats.

Kenpachi's greatest destruction feat is destroying a meteor.

the meteor is irrelevant and unless Goku or Vegeta are made out of steel kenpachi is cutting them up quite easily but regardless if they are as durable as steel zaraki is still cutting them up like he did gremmy.

He isn't beating a Universal level opponent. Get real. Lol.

senjumaru is a universal character yet she was defeated by characters who are much weaker than her in terms of spiritual energy due to their hax. Which is why I said hax over power beforehand
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Always been the case, Bleach fans have a lot of little brother issues

nah that's mainly one piece and Naruto fans. Bleach fans are generally chill I'm not.

 

[soupongo]

No that goes to OP

Besides the running, I think the guys trying to pull off the Akatsuki cloak in public and really the Itachi fandom as a whole is keeping us back, unfortunately

 

[DemarIkh]

“If ki isn’t involved” ?!?

“I can’t use original dragon ball because it’s a gag manga” ok, saiyan saga Piccolo might be able to harm battle of god Goku because he can blow up the moon? DC isn’t the same as AP, Friezas death beam during namek (that doesn’t destroy anything bigger than a mountain) is obviously stronger than saiyan saga Piccolos attack that destroyed the moon.

“Overhyping god ki” first of all that’s very dishonest since it allowed him to reach a form that could threaten to destroy the universe. Infact if beerus didn’t nullify the explosion the universe would’ve been destroyed so idk why you’re bringing up “overhyping god ki”, unless you think saiyan saga Goku can also do that.


In chapter 195 he piccolo uses the exact same attack he used to destroy the moon and it did nothing to radtiz. Piccolo even says “something powerful is approaching” and immediately tries to kill raditz. The move raditz dodged isn’t even the same thing I was talking about lol, piccolo didn’t even use the makankōsappō to destroy the moon.

Yea a guy that can withstand hits that are capable of destroying the universe can't handle a random blast from Saiyan saga Piccolo because it destroyed the moon???

"why do you assume something has to be planetary destructive to harm Goku" (Unless you're talking about hax which isn't even what im trying to say lol)

An attack can be planetary and not actually blow up the earth lol. That's like saying Saiyan saga Piccolo wasn't trying because his attacks weren't blowing up the earth because he could blow up the moon. Is Namek Goku's punches weaker than a random Saiyan saga piccolo blast that destroyed the moon?

 

[T2K Baka]

We Naruto ran in public in the early 2000s, Macho. Unironically

What happened to the Area 51 Naruto runners?

 

[Killer#777]

“I can’t use original dragon ball because it’s a gag manga”

your own words not mine.

“If ki isn’t involved” ?!?

don't see what's so confusing about this statement?

Are you trying to tell me that any attack on Goku that harms him while he’s in god might not be above planetary?

You have this notion that there needs to be a certain level of destructive capacity to hurt certain characters when that has never been the case at all in any fiction for that matter.

first of all that’s very dishonest since it allowed him to reach a form that could threaten to destroy the universe.

it's funny that you mentioned that clash because if the shock waves we're supposed to be more powerful the farther apart from the point of contact yeah it didn't affect the other realms which makes it a plot hole. Which is another thing that bleach is better at is writing a story that is actually consistent.

In chapter 195 he piccolo uses the exact same attack he used to destroy the moon and it did nothing to radtiz. Piccolo even says “something powerful is approaching” and immediately tries to kill raditz.

that only shows toriyama level of inconsistency or that attack is not as strong as you make it out to be despite this destructive capacity and we know this because the game kakarot yes toriyama was involved in that and he retcon the moon scene all together.

"why do you assume something has to be planetary destructive to harm Goku" (Unless you're talking about hax which isn't even what im trying to say lol)

you seriously think that attack that Frieza launch at goku it's going to destroy a planet come on now lmao. Also that panel of Goku blocking frieza's ki with his own ki shield only proves that Goku was on guard in comparison to the super Goku is never on guard apparently.

 

[BoaHancocksHusband]

Nappa solos the bleach verse

Nah Nappa loses to Soul King
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What happened to the Area 51 Naruto runners?

They got taken by the aliens.
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your own words not mine.
don't see what's so confusing about this statement?


You have this notion that there needs to be a certain level of destructive capacity to hurt certain characters when that has never been the case at all in any fiction for that matter.
it's funny that you mentioned that clash because if the shock waves we're supposed to be more powerful the farther apart from the point of contact yeah it didn't affect the other realms which makes it a plot hole. Which is another thing that bleach is better at is writing a story that is actually consistent.

that only shows toriyama level of inconsistency or that attack is not as strong as you make it out to be despite this destructive capacity and we know this because the game kakarot yes toriyama was involved in that and he retcon the moon scene all together.

you seriously think that attack that Frieza launch at goku it's going to destroy a planet come on now lmao. Also that panel of Goku blocking frieza's ki with his own ki shield only proves that Goku was on guard in comparison to the super Goku is never on guard apparently.

No it proves the Moon has a power level of 150.

 

[Uncle Van]

Wtf? Raditz would solo the whole Bleachverse lmao