Character Discussion Borsalino "Yellow Monkey" - The Ultimate Soldier (Strongest Marine?!)

[Xione]

from a Kuma fan what does this have to do with anything?

name me something that an admiral has done that places them any higher than YC1/RHM status?

- I would expect a Kuma fan to have a high enough IQ to not make statements that casual anime watchers made when watching Marineford. But no, we're in 2024, a decade + removed from Marineford and you've just made that statement.

A veteran pirate who has spent decades on the seas, seeing multiple generations is comparing Yonko & Admirals to be of the same status, but you're claiming they're YC1.

So a YC1, let's see... Katakuri the guy who Luffy beat before getting 1-shot by a Yonko.
Marco The Phoenix, the guy who Big Mom wanted help from Peros to deal with.. right.
Ben Beckman, the guy who's stated to be an entity comparable to Shanks.
Then you have people like King, the guy who got fucked up by a fucked up Zoro. And previously was getting held at bay by Marco in a 2vs1.

Not only did you ignore the mere basic set up of the OP-verse 4 top marines ~ 4 Top Pirates, that's reiterated by pirates themselves. But you then even tried making a level of "YC1s", when the manga doesn't even show that "YC1s" are the same level.

So you made two of the most casual takes that the fandom has moved on past by, but no you're still stuck in the series a decade ago and still stuck on the non-sense of YC3-YC2-Yc1 being powerlevels that carry across crews. You attempted to big up the Emperors, while at the sametime insulting some of them in the process... nicely done.
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Show me which YC1 has shown this destructive capability with a fairly casual attack like Saka did pre-TS. And don't duck this to bring up a different point, I want you to show me Katakuri showcasing this insane scale.

 

[MUUGEN]

- I would expect a Kuma fan to have a high enough IQ to not make statements that casual anime watchers made when watching Marineford. But no, we're in 2024, a decade + removed from Marineford and you've just made that statement.

A veteran pirate who has spent decades on the seas, seeing multiple generations is comparing Yonko & Admirals to be of the same status, but you're claiming they're YC1.

So a YC1, let's see... Katakuri the guy who Luffy beat before getting 1-shot by a Yonko.
Marco The Phoenix, the guy who Big Mom wanted help from Peros to deal with.. right.
Ben Beckman, the guy who's stated to be an entity comparable to Shanks.
Then you have people like King, the guy who got fucked up by a fucked up Zoro. And previously was getting held at bay by Marco in a 2vs1.

Not only did you ignore the mere basic set up of the OP-verse 4 top marines ~ 4 Top Pirates, that's reiterated by pirates themselves. But you then even tried making a level of "YC1s", when the manga doesn't even show that "YC1s" are the same level.

So you made two of the most casual takes that the fandom has moved on past by, but no you're still stuck in the series a decade ago and still stuck on the non-sense of YC3-YC2-Yc1 being powerlevels that carry across crews. You attempted to big up the Emperors, while at the sametime insulting some of them in the process... nicely done.
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Show me which YC1 has shown this destructive capability with a fairly casual attack like Saka did pre-TS. And don't duck this to bring up a different point, I want you to show me Katakuri showcasing this insane scale.

& what does dc have to do with a character overall.

Joker, Ace, Gem, Oven, Zoro, King, Enel, Croc and just about any logia user has similar DC

DC isn’t impressive if it’s not damaging or hitting their targets.

You’ve shown me one admiral who showcases them above YC1 now what about the rest of them?

 

[JoNdule]

Idk, Kizaru did not even use his monkey move, and honestly I refuse to believe he has tree or four named moves in total.
Also, he did not even use the sword "in person" against Luffy.

Maybe not, but I believe there Is fair amount of things to be seen.

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You are right, but I don't have speck of trust in Oda when It comes to fights. I Just hope he Will show something against the Gorosei.

What monkey moves?
Did Oda tell you Kizaru has those moves?

 

[MUUGEN]

What monkey moves?
Did Oda tell you Kizaru has those moves?

headcannon based off of epithet and nothing more.

agenda based comment

 

[JoNdule]

- I would expect a Kuma fan to have a high enough IQ to not make statements that casual anime watchers made when watching Marineford. But no, we're in 2024, a decade + removed from Marineford and you've just made that statement.

A veteran pirate who has spent decades on the seas, seeing multiple generations is comparing Yonko & Admirals to be of the same status, but you're claiming they're YC1.

So a YC1, let's see... Katakuri the guy who Luffy beat before getting 1-shot by a Yonko.
Marco The Phoenix, the guy who Big Mom wanted help from Peros to deal with.. right.
Ben Beckman, the guy who's stated to be an entity comparable to Shanks.
Then you have people like King, the guy who got fucked up by a fucked up Zoro. And previously was getting held at bay by Marco in a 2vs1.

Not only did you ignore the mere basic set up of the OP-verse 4 top marines ~ 4 Top Pirates, that's reiterated by pirates themselves. But you then even tried making a level of "YC1s", when the manga doesn't even show that "YC1s" are the same level.

So you made two of the most casual takes that the fandom has moved on past by, but no you're still stuck in the series a decade ago and still stuck on the non-sense of YC3-YC2-Yc1 being powerlevels that carry across crews. You attempted to big up the Emperors, while at the sametime insulting some of them in the process... nicely done.
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Show me which YC1 has shown this destructive capability with a fairly casual attack like Saka did pre-TS. And don't duck this to bring up a different point, I want you to show me Katakuri showcasing this insane scale.

You're talking nonsense per usual

No Yonko consider an admiral a challenge to surpass or beat to be PK

Chinjao statement isn't a gospel when BM made a PK speech and only brought up her rivals

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

What monkey moves?
Did Oda tell you Kizaru has those moves?

The other Admirals have moves based on their epithets (besides maybe Aramaki but he's a bum goon so...)
So it'd make sense if Kizaru has a move based on his epithet.

 

[JoNdule]

& what does dc have to do with a character overall.

Joker, Ace, Gem, Oven, Zoro, King, Enel, Croc and just about any logia user has similar DC

DC isn’t impressive if it’s not damaging or hitting their targets.

You’ve shown me one admiral who showcases them above YC1 now what about the rest of them?

These guys are stuck with DC or AoE as argument
At the same time they will downplay DC/AoE if isn't about their favs

What did Admirals accomplihs with that AoE? Nothing much

Anyway, Admirals are above YCs
Oda established that already

Yonko > Admirals > YCs

 

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

Kizaru obviously has a monkey move

If Akainu, Aokiji and Fujitora all have animal themed moves, then Kizaru has one as well.

lol

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Kizaru obviously has a monkey move

If Akainu, Aokiji and Fujitora all have animal themed moves, then Kizaru has one as well.

lol

It is weird that he hasn't even used it yet, though.

 

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

It is weird that he hasn't even used it yet, though.

https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Pika_Pika_no_Mi?so=search he uses one in a video game apparently, but yeah i find it odd too.

maybe we'll see it if he makes it to the final war

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Pika_Pika_no_Mi?so=search he uses one in a video game apparently, but yeah i find it odd too.

maybe we'll see it if he makes it to the final war

The One Piece games are nothing more than a surreal dream to me, imo.
Like there's a dude who literally has a paper Logia in one of the games, and I think he's a main villain in it.

 

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

The One Piece games are nothing more than a surreal dream to me, imo.
Like there's a dude who literally has a paper Logia in one of the games, and I think he's a main villain in it.

A lot of the non-canon dfs are unironically cool

lol

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

A lot of the non-canon dfs are unironically cool

lol

There's a dude with a mythical vampire fruit named patrick redfield or somn
That's an actually cool fruit

 

[Xione]

& what does dc have to do with a character overall.

Joker, Ace, Gem, Oven, Zoro, King, Enel, Croc and just about any logia user has similar DC

DC isn’t impressive if it’s not damaging or hitting their targets.

You’ve shown me one admiral who showcases them above YC1 now what about the rest of them?

- Doffy has never shown anything of that magnitude
- Ace hasn't unless you're going to bring up his biggest damn attack, which is far away from casual
- Zoro hasn't
- Oven hasn't
- Gem hasn't
- King hasn't
- Enel hasn't either without help from the amplifying
- Crocodile hasn't either

You literally listed characters that have never displayed the destructive capabilities that Akainu displayed there casually.

You went from "show me any admiral" to now saying "you've shown me 1 admiral now show the rest".... And all I did was post a panel from pre-TS that happened a decade ago....are we being serious right now?

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You're talking nonsense per usual

No Yonko consider an admiral a challenge to surpass or beat to be PK

Chinjao statement isn't a gospel when BM made a PK speech and only brought up her rivals

Chinjao: somebody who fought against the top pirates and the top marines, tells us twice that yo top marines and top pirates are some similar/same caliber = non-credible

JoNdule who spends his time bashing fictional characters to run bullshit agendas for two characters who are no longer in the series = credible

Yea admirals aren't in the race to be the PK... only pirates. So why in god's blue earth would they mention Marines??

Chinjao didn't mention the admirals for race to be the PK. He mentioned the admirals in order to surpass Roger's legend. BIG DIFFERENCE. When Chinjao spoke about who would become the PK, he specifically spoke about the Yonko. When he spoke about the caliber of a man you need to be he brought up the admirals twice.

Oda can spell it out for you that at the minimum Admirals = Yonko, with wins depending on matchup and you guys would still be parroting dumbass agendas. And this ain't just you yonkotards, this is for the ones who're claiming admirals to be levels above the emperors as well. Read the damn story and stop tryna run stupid ass agendas. That's half the damn reason y'all mfs can't enjoy the series and constantly bitch and moan and moan and moan and moan and moan about Oda's writing. Cause y'all can't even read the damn story properly.


You wanna parrot dumbass agendas? parrot it with the ones who parrot dumbass admiral agendas, don't parrot that shit with me. I'm here for actual sensible discussions not having to teach basic set up of the story to people who should after decade of reading it should already understand it but are too obssessed or fetished with their fictional characters.


It is 2024 and we still gotta mfin explain it to people Admirals & Yonko stand on similar levels but you can debate who's stronger and weaker... bruh wtf is going on.

 

[Desolate Smaug]

Kizaru having monkey moves is the wildest shit I've read on worst gen this year

 

[Dragon777]

What monkey moves?
Did Oda tell you Kizaru has those moves?

You serious?
All Admirals bar Aramaki showed a move based on their epithets, and probably Aramaki will too when we see him fighting more than one chapter.

Post automatically merged: Mar 28, 2024

headcannon based off of epithet and nothing more.

agenda based comment

This Is between wild and absurd. Aokiji, Akainu and Fuji all have a move based on their epithets, but somehow Kizaru don't lol. And I am the agenda poster you say lol.

 

[MonsterKaido]

 

[SkySanji]

Admiral epithet moves are garbage anyway

Aokiji's Pheasant Beak was blocked and vaporized by nerfed Ace

Fujitora's Raging Tiger did absolutely nothing to both Sabo and base Luffy

Akainu's Hell Hound was partially dodged and did nothing significant to braindead Kuma

But sure, this move Kizaru might have is really important and a huge portion of his power that he's holding back

It's always telling that a character looks like shit when their fandom has to invent things he might have to compensate, such as awakening and a monkey themed move

 

[Dragon777]

Admiral epithet moves are garbage anyway

Aokiji's Pheasant Beak was blocked and vaporized by nerfed Ace

Fujitora's Raging Tiger did absolutely nothing to both Sabo and base Luffy

Akainu's Hell Hound was partially dodged and did nothing significant to braindead Kuma

But sure, this move Kizaru might have is really important and a huge portion of his power that he's holding back

It's always telling that a character looks like shit when their fandom has to invent things he might have to compensate, such as awakening and a monkey themed move

"Invented" lol.
Somehow It Is not allowed anymore to make predictions on Kizaru based on facts because someone have an agenda.

Anyway, Fuji move Is not meant to damage others but to pull them, and saying Akainu move Is mid because someone partially dodge it once Is so lol.
But I agree, it's quite telling when one has to come with this level of takes lol.

 

[SkySanji]

"Invented" lol.

Anyway, Fuji move Is not mean to damage others but to pull them, and saying Akainu move Is mid because someone partially dodge it once Is so lol.
But I agree, it's quite telling when one has to come with this level of shit lol.

Just focus on the fanfic of Kizaru having awakening, at least that can be reasoned to be a substantial powerup, not these constantly underwhelming Admiral epithet moves.