Questions & Mysteries Bullet, World, Shiki, Pirate King and Strongest man on Sea

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Who is the strongest overall?

  • Rocks

    Votes: 8 19.0%
  • Roger

    Votes: 18 42.9%
  • Whitebeard

    Votes: 16 38.1%
  • Bullet

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Shiki

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • World

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    42
#21
All of these villain movies are not canon‚ I mean if pre timeskip Luffy can beat Shiki who almost killed Roger...it is a good thing these villains are not canon
 
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#24
I'm still divided on who was the strongest between WB and Roger because a good portions of folks labeled the former as WSM, another simply as Roger's equal and yet the latter would never be spelled as WSM, not that the intrinsic inconsistency was not already there nevertheless.
What do you think about this idea about being Strongest and PK at same time??
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Yes I noticed. I still refuse to believe Oda allowed Shiki to be beaten by pre ts Luffy unless he himself considers the movies a separate story
Oda loves Nami coz he cant give up on them berries....
 
#29
Question 1: I know stampede and other movies are non canon but oda does provide his inputs on movie....I am not here to talk about how movies went but ask how relevant do you guys see them with respect to One Piece and do you think they will be introduced in future?

Question 2: I dont want to make a vs among all these but I want to discuss one single statement from Stampede.
Bullet said strongest man on sea is pirate king and he wanted to beat PK. Can we conclude PK to be strongest while WB had the title??

Question 3: How important is it to be strongest man to be PK and relevant to story?? Especially when luffy beaten bullet ??

Question 4: To zoro fans who believe zoro will be strongest towards end, how do you justify PK not being strongest when Bullet/World/Shiki all hinted that PK is strongest??
My reason: I see luffy crew different and WB's statement.
1 Nope, they already had they arc/movie, at best they will be canon even if never appearing officially (see Shiki as the only one who ever escaped Impel down before Luffy and co.). Also at this point, after more than 25 years, this rule is set and I don't think Oda will change it now.

2 That is what 99.9% of pirates have in their mind. PK is the strongest pirate, you can bet your ass Kaido, BM and BB think about it this way. Only pirates like Luffy, Shanks, WB and Roger have a different meaning for it (freest man, WB maybe even different or/and simply didn't care)...

3 .. But no matter what you believe when you get the title every other pirate who thinks he can beat you will swarm you. The only PK we know about is Roger (and Xebec pretty much, but also WB.. Rulers of their era) and we are sure at least Shiki wanted the title but he never managed to beat Roger. Because Roger was freest but also strongest man. He even said the marines had not the power to beat him.
In the end the freest man tale is candy Oda is putting in our mouths to bring on the agenda that Luffy is not a warmonger but a kind hearted guy. But in the end this is a shounen and it goes on by the MC beating one villain after another.

4 I'm a Zoro fan but only trolls or people extremely delusional think Zoro will be above Luffy aka the PK, ruler of the next era etc. Yet I still believe a Luffy=Zoro by EoS is possible, maybe even probable.
 
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#30
Roger was the strongest and Luffy will be new one. Like or not.
Roger is the strongest.
Its not about what I like or not....
I want to know what you guys think about above statements...
Cause everytime one person tried to be both... he was taken down.... as per movies....
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In the end the freest man tale is candy Oda is putting in our mouths to bring on the agenda that Luffy is not a warmonger but a kind hearted guy. But in the end this is a shounen and it goes on by the MC beating one villain after another.
This is pretty interesting... tell me more about about this and how you see Xebec and Roger...... and their successors... Luffy and BB in this
 
#31
Roger and his successor Luffy are the bright side of the coin, they don't wamt to rule the world but have an adventure, have fun (same as Shanks, WB falls here too, he jist wamted a family). While Xebec and his successor BB are the darkside, so much that Xebec didn't even stop at pirate king, he wanted to be the king of the world. This pretty much is the difference, Luffy, and so Roger and his will, are the good guys (even if it seems Roger at the very least slaughtered Sguardo crew but Luffy is clean) while BB, and Xebec whose will he inherited, are the bad guys and if they win the world will fall in chaos and darkness (litterally). And here, inherited will or not, you get the usual shounen troupe where there are the good vs bad guys.
 
#33
Its not about what I like or not....
I want to know what you guys think about above statements...
Cause everytime one person tried to be both... he was taken down.... as per movies....
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This is pretty interesting... tell me more about about this and how you see Xebec and Roger...... and their successors... Luffy and BB in this
1- I didnt watch these movies. I don't know the answer to this question. But I dont think so.

2- Of course PK was the strongest than WB. For example Big Mom said ''If I could ally with the giants, I could even beat WB and become PK.''

3-Roger said he had wealth, fame and power. He was also the freest man at sea. If there is someone stronger than you, it means you are not the freest, the most comfortable.

4-Zoro won't be as strong as fans think. No answer needed.
 
#34
I think Xebec directly aimed at King of World..... I dont remember there was particular title known as PK before Roger reached Laughtale????
You are right and there is an element we both forgot: to become PK you need not to be the strongest/freest (but probably you need it to keep the title/OP) but indeed find the OP and that is why Xebec didn't ever become pirate king (but still was the ruler of his era just like WB). Even Kaido and BM keep the road poneglyph as their greatest treasures and are developing plans to read the poneglyph so that they can find the OP (like BM raising Pudding for that purpose). But again the "bad guys" on one hand want the OP cause it is the "symbol of the PK" but also cause they probably believe it is a super ancient weapon or something like that.
 
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#35
If there is someone stronger than you, it means you are not the freest, the most comfortable.
this...
this one has been bugging me... coz even if you are said to be freest and not strongest then someone will bend you who is strongest.... but an opposing argument can be yonkos.... all of them dont fight other as no matter who wins everyone will die by the end of fight.... so in a sense you are not bend down to other's will and be freest and yet not strongest...
2- Of course PK was the strongest than WB. For example Big Mom said ''If I could ally with the giants, I could even beat WB and become PK.''
WB sort of equal and he was in the way to become PK.... so you got to surpass WB/Roger to be next PK... isnt it???
 
#36
I'm still divided on who was the strongest between WB and Roger because a good portions of folks labeled the former as WSM, another simply as Roger's equal and yet the latter would never be spelled as WSM, not that the intrinsic inconsistency was not already there nevertheless.
Well Roger was sick maybe that made them equal
Roger prob beat Rocks one o one the marines didn't give him the credit for it

Healthy Roger>Whitebeard
 
#37
I mean if pre timeskip Luffy can beat Shiki who almost killed Roger...
Shiki already past his prime, lost his 2 legs... Another "logical" explanation here (disregarding canon), he lost his will (a prime component for Haki use) after Roger's execution and his lost against Garp and Sengoku, and that he never tried to improve himself thus becoming rusty since he never had skirmish against top dogs anymore...
 
#38
wasn't WB was named WSM after Roger's demise.. :choppawhat:
I am a firm believer in Roger's supremacy. Dude sent Oden flying with his one armed swing and he wasn't even trying too hard.
 
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