Chapter Discussion Can anyone translate what Garp says here?

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@Gorosei what do you think of this?

It's canonically called the 3 Great Powers
It was called the 3 Great Powers in the manga
It was stated that the Marines+Warlords counter balance the emperors

But here we have people using their subjective power scalings to rewrite the canon and claim the 6 powers.
gambling and ended up selling himself, don't you think? // He may be an old man, but if we go up against Rayleigh without the proper care... / ...we could end up losing an awful lot of Marines. // We can't handle that right now... / Are you suggesting that the Marines take on... // ...two legends at the same time?!

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Fanfic. Garp himself implied old Rayleigh + Whitebeard pirates may have been too much
 
#42
Question:

If 4 Yonkos = Marines + Warlords then why would the Marines even give a rat's ass about 2 Yonkos meeting and creating an alliance?
 
#44
Question:

If 4 Yonkos = Marines + Warlords then why would the Marines even give a rat's ass about 2 Yonkos meeting and creating an alliance?
Simple, because the Marines + Warlords don't equal Four Emperor crews, not even close, at best they can be argued to be somewhat superior to a single crew.

The Marines + Shichibukai do keep the balance, but against each individual crew of the Yonko, because the Yonko themselves aren't a military group.

If the Yonko were a singular force like the World Government then it would make sense, but they aren't, the Yonko are as much enemies of each other as they are enemies of the WG.
 
#45
@Gorosei what do you think of this?

It's canonically called the 3 Great Powers
It was called the 3 Great Powers in the manga
It was stated that the Marines+Warlords counter balance the emperors

But here we have people using their subjective power scalings to rewrite the canon and claim the 6 powers.
as expected of flat-earthers
 

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
#47
Question:

If 4 Yonkos = Marines + Warlords then why would the Marines even give a rat's ass about 2 Yonkos meeting and creating an alliance?
So because the US can destroy multiple nations put together. They should ignore 2 opposing nuclear states joining forces against them?

When you're a superpower every little thing matters, every shift in power in the world should matter, that's how you remain on top. Ignoring 2 armies combining forces with the military might of the Yonkou, as the literal world police, is the single dumbest thing you could ask for.

This question something a 7 year old would ask, doesn't even deserve a deep dive into OP politics, the fact that you're asking this, stick to teletoons or some shit, even One Piece seems to be too much for some of y'all.
 
#48
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How does that change the canon?

The Marines said they can handle the New Rocks Allaince but couldn't cause they were spread thin dealing with other issues. Kizaru volunteered to handle Kaido and BM meeting up. Not everything is about pure power levels.
They specifically said they couldn't handle the rocks alliance due to lacking manpower. And Kizaru ended up being wrong seeing as how Sakazuki ended up contradicting him.

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Kizaru thinking he can stop BM and Kaido is the equivalent of Ace thinking he can take Kaido.
 
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Uncle Van

Monké Don't Do Taxes
#49
They specifically said they couldn't handle the rocks alliance due to lacking manpower. And Kizaru ended up being wrong seeing as how Sakazuki ended up contradicting him.

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No. On multiple occasions the Marines complained about the timing of the New Rocks alliance. Even Akainu said that it happened when they were spread thin dealing with other incidents. They lacked the manpower because of those incidents.

Even when Kizaru volunteered to stop BM and Kaido from meeting, Akainu stopped him because not only was Wano's military strength unknown, they had to prioritize the Reverie.
 
#50
No. On multiple occasions the Marines complained about the timing of the New Rocks alliance. Even Akainu said that it happened when they were spread thin dealing with other incidents. They lacked the manpower because of those incidents.

Even when Kizaru volunteered to stop BM and Kaido from meeting, Akainu stopped him because not only was Wano's military strength unknown, they had to prioritize the Reverie.
No. Akainu only referenced the Samurai. And if Wano is so strong. Why haven't they kicked Kaido out? Its pretty common sense they aren't that strong hence BM herself had no issue going to Wano.

And Xdrake is there.

Its pretty clear Garp isn't saying 4 emperors = warlords + navy.

He even implies they can't handle 2 legends.
 

Uncle Van

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#51
No. Akainu only referenced the Samurai. And if Wano is so strong. Why haven't they kicked Kaido out? Its pretty common sense they aren't that strong hence BM herself had no issue going to Wano.

And Xdrake is there.

Its pretty clear Garp isn't saying 4 emperors = warlords + navy.

He even implies they can't handle 2 legends.
Wano's military forces is the Samurai. Akainu said their strength is unknown and the Reverie was a bigger priority.

Directly stated that the Marines+Warlords counter balance the yonko and make up the 3 Powers.

Kaido freaked out about BM getting to Wano even though she only had a single ship. King alone deterred the BMP and almost caused the death of Big Mom.

It's not all about power levels unless King>BM?. You're sticking to one statement, making it about power level alone, and isolating everything else.
 
#52
Wano's military forces is the Samurai. Akainu said their strength is unknown and the Reverie was a bigger priority.

Directly stated that the Marines+Warlords counter balance the yonko and make up the 3 Powers.

Kaido freaked out about BM getting to Wano even though she only had a single ship. King alone deterred the BMP and almost caused the death of Big Mom.

It's not all about power levels unless King>BM?. You're sticking to one statement, making it about power level alone, and isolating everything else.
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You're doing the exact same thing with Garp.

The 7 warlords existed back when only 3 emperors were around. Meaning even when it was just WB/BM/Kaido the WG needed 7 warlords to counterbalanve them.
 
#53
Marineford War has Admirals matched up with Yonko commanders and only has the commanders defeated due to being distracted
And it's through cheap shots we see the difference between Yonkou Commanders and Admirals. Jozu gave Aokiji a bloody lip; Aokiji tore Jozu's arm off.

It's very telling that Oda had Luffy compare the Admirals not to the Yonkou's most elite subordinates but to the Yonkou themselves in his speech about "not running away anymore."
 
#54
And it's through cheap shots we see the difference between Yonkou Commanders and Admirals. Jozu gave Aokiji a bloody lip; Aokiji tore Jozu's arm off.

It's very telling that Oda had Luffy compare the Admirals not to the Yonkou's most elite subordinates but to the Yonkou themselves in his speech about "not running away anymore."
Now did Blackbeard lose to Magellan via cheapshot and Luffy lose to Caesar via cheapshot? That's just how their powers work.
 
#55
And it's through cheap shots we see the difference between Yonkou Commanders and Admirals. Jozu gave Aokiji a bloody lip; Aokiji tore Jozu's arm off.

It's very telling that Oda had Luffy compare the Admirals not to the Yonkou's most elite subordinates but to the Yonkou themselves in his speech about "not running away anymore."
Which doesn't refute what I said
  • Were the Admirals matched up with the commanders yes or no?
  • Did the Admirals only win when the commanders were distracted yes or no?
If your answer to either of these is "no", then you're lying.
 
#56
Isn't it strange that chapter 550 was never translated by Stephen Paul? What a coincidence the chapter that implies the marines might not be able to win against the WBP was never translated.
 
#57
Which doesn't refute what I said
  • Were the Admirals matched up with the commanders yes or no?
  • Did the Admirals only win when the commanders were distracted yes or no?
If your answer to either of these is "no", then you're lying.
And which in turn doesn't refute
  • Luffy comparing the Admirals to the Yonkou and not their most elite subordinates.
  • The night and day comparison between Aokiji's bloody lip from Jozu and Jozu's dismembered limb from Aokiji. (Winning via distractions doesn't make you the weaker opponent.)
You have so far provided zero evidence the Yonkou Commanders are comparable to the Admirals.
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Now did Blackbeard lose to Magellan via cheapshot and Luffy lose to Caesar via cheapshot? That's just how their powers work.
Tearing off Jozu's arm requires manpower, and even then, the Admirals are compared to the Yonkou.
 
#58
And which in turn doesn't refute
  • Luffy comparing the Admirals to the Yonkou and not their most elite subordinates.
  • The night and day comparison between Aokiji's bloody lip from Jozu and Jozu's dismembered limb from Aokiji. (Winning via distractions doesn't make you the weaker opponent.)
You have so far provided zero evidence the Yonkou Commanders are comparable to the Admirals.
I never said they were comparable to yonko commanders, I was listing a bunch of reasons why the WG can't possibly equal four emperor crews, I don't think the admirals are equal to commanders at all but its a fact that they were matched up with them and only defeated them while they distracted, this is why you should read someones entire post before making a rebuttal out of anger without understanding what is being discussed.
 
#59
And which in turn doesn't refute
  • Luffy comparing the Admirals to the Yonkou and not their most elite subordinates.
  • The night and day comparison between Aokiji's bloody lip from Jozu and Jozu's dismembered limb from Aokiji. (Winning via distractions doesn't make you the weaker opponent.)
You have so far provided zero evidence the Yonkou Commanders are comparable to the Admirals.
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Tearing off Jozu's arm requires manpower, and even then, the Admirals are compared to the Yonkou.
Magellan nearly killed BB without kinjite. Let's be real. If Kinjite hit BB it would have melted him
 
#60
Well, some of the Warlords also have their own crews so it's not impossible to say that Marines + World Government + Warlords and their crews can handle all the Yonko and their forces.
No way bro. The Warlords crews are fodder level.
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No crayon eater
Yonko literally means 4 emperors

The balance of power is marines + warlords = yonko
Do the math then. I’ll help you

Let’s say that C3 + Mihawk = All 4 Emperors

Beckman, Roo, and Yasopp = Old Garp and Sengoku

Marco mid diffs Doffy
Kata mid diffs Kuma
King mid diffs Hancock
Jozu mid diffs Jinbe
Smoothie mid diffs Crocodile

The Marines’ fodders get wiped out by Queen, Jack, Vista, Cracker, Ace, Division Commanders, Tobi Roppo, Vets, Shanks’ guys, Numbers, headliners, ministers, allied captains, and all the fodder in the Yonko army
 
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