Questions & Mysteries Can someone give a factual reason for this?
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The problem is how you understand the titles, why they were given and what was/is their role in the story.
We had Shanks intro already but Shanks hype has been set since the first chapter where he is the MCs goal to surpass by becoming a great pirate and assembling a crew surpassing Shanks.
We get introduced to WSS, this is an absolute title (stated in VC too) because it ties to the deuteragonists dream, it is set to show the absolute strength at that time, the ceiling of individual human power.
Next we get introduced to the WSM, the 2nd Yonko introduction. Here the purpose is to hype the Yonkos, to show how pirates as individuals and organizations are equal to kings/emperors when the Navy has so far been shown as the strongest force. Oda already rectified it by getting the old man to himself accept that he cant be the strongest forever.
Lastly we get introduced to the WSC. People really want to push the Kaido not getting a title box like WB and Mihawk but the point was never about title boxes but why the title was associated with these individuals. Kaido was individually stronger than old WB (we get this from Ace Novel which is canon). The point this time was to hype Luffys opponent and Kaido was said to have got the same effect that Ryuma had in keeping others away from Wano. Additionally only JB could defeat Kaido.
WB already had the fame and WSM (IIRC) while Roger was alive but we know they were equal so you cant be the strongest if someone is your equal. And the main thing is that each of these three WS are of different eras/gens. The gap between Kaido and WB was 15 years, the gap between Kaido and Mihawk is 16 years. So WB was already WSM before Kaido became WSC, yet we know how the Yonko dont go around fighting each other. Kaido gained his own fame and became the WSC. Mihawk came after Kaido and probably never got to Wano due to nature of country and it being guarded by Kaido and BPs. He only got a chance against WB and he lost interest when he saw how weak sickbeard was.
The titles are given by the author to hype the said characters and they are earned when in verse characters witness the feats of those characters. We know WBs hype was because he was the only one who could equal Roger and he had the power to destroy the world. Similarly we got Kaido with the invincibility thing, having an Azure dragon fruit with impenetrable scales, getting only a headache after free falling from 10 km and earning respect everywhere due to his strength since childhood to the point of becoming the embodiment of might. We also get Zoro being mentioned in the WSS debate by in verse characters because of his insane feat in DR and how the witnesses start hyping up the legend.
I have thought a few times of making a compilation of these feats of Zoro and how the legend is being developed by Oda. Just like Ryuma had many legends (one of which was the beheading of the dragon) we will also have a lot of legends of Zoro throughout his journey. You will notice that Oda has specifically given some feats to Zoro that even Luffy sometimes doesnt get in the story, specially when it comes to defeating a lot of members of an enemy. For example, Zoros raid on Arlong Park or the 100 bounty hunters in WP, the magistrate and ninjas in Wano, I am not sure about the 500 gifters in Onigashima though. For some feats Zoro has an audience and for some he doesnt. I think @Fenaker was the only one who would be able to go through the whole story again and conjure up an essay, maybe @Cinera can, @nik87 probably wont be doing it. I am just shit at formatting and adding images.
We had Shanks intro already but Shanks hype has been set since the first chapter where he is the MCs goal to surpass by becoming a great pirate and assembling a crew surpassing Shanks.
We get introduced to WSS, this is an absolute title (stated in VC too) because it ties to the deuteragonists dream, it is set to show the absolute strength at that time, the ceiling of individual human power.
Next we get introduced to the WSM, the 2nd Yonko introduction. Here the purpose is to hype the Yonkos, to show how pirates as individuals and organizations are equal to kings/emperors when the Navy has so far been shown as the strongest force. Oda already rectified it by getting the old man to himself accept that he cant be the strongest forever.
Lastly we get introduced to the WSC. People really want to push the Kaido not getting a title box like WB and Mihawk but the point was never about title boxes but why the title was associated with these individuals. Kaido was individually stronger than old WB (we get this from Ace Novel which is canon). The point this time was to hype Luffys opponent and Kaido was said to have got the same effect that Ryuma had in keeping others away from Wano. Additionally only JB could defeat Kaido.
WB already had the fame and WSM (IIRC) while Roger was alive but we know they were equal so you cant be the strongest if someone is your equal. And the main thing is that each of these three WS are of different eras/gens. The gap between Kaido and WB was 15 years, the gap between Kaido and Mihawk is 16 years. So WB was already WSM before Kaido became WSC, yet we know how the Yonko dont go around fighting each other. Kaido gained his own fame and became the WSC. Mihawk came after Kaido and probably never got to Wano due to nature of country and it being guarded by Kaido and BPs. He only got a chance against WB and he lost interest when he saw how weak sickbeard was.
The titles are given by the author to hype the said characters and they are earned when in verse characters witness the feats of those characters. We know WBs hype was because he was the only one who could equal Roger and he had the power to destroy the world. Similarly we got Kaido with the invincibility thing, having an Azure dragon fruit with impenetrable scales, getting only a headache after free falling from 10 km and earning respect everywhere due to his strength since childhood to the point of becoming the embodiment of might. We also get Zoro being mentioned in the WSS debate by in verse characters because of his insane feat in DR and how the witnesses start hyping up the legend.
I have thought a few times of making a compilation of these feats of Zoro and how the legend is being developed by Oda. Just like Ryuma had many legends (one of which was the beheading of the dragon) we will also have a lot of legends of Zoro throughout his journey. You will notice that Oda has specifically given some feats to Zoro that even Luffy sometimes doesnt get in the story, specially when it comes to defeating a lot of members of an enemy. For example, Zoros raid on Arlong Park or the 100 bounty hunters in WP, the magistrate and ninjas in Wano, I am not sure about the 500 gifters in Onigashima though. For some feats Zoro has an audience and for some he doesnt. I think @Fenaker was the only one who would be able to go through the whole story again and conjure up an essay, maybe @Cinera can, @nik87 probably wont be doing it. I am just shit at formatting and adding images.
The in-world citizens do not matter, Oda doesn't give those titles for them to know.
Those titles are a direct message to us, the audience. Oda uses citizens to remind us about those titles.
To understand lots of things in One Piece, you have to look at them all from the point of its ending, instead of randomly along the way.
After Final Saga was revealed as a separate part of the story, it became clear what the World's Strongest titles refer to.
They refer to the strongest people of those respective parts of the story, pre-TS, post-TS and Final Saga.
Each part of the story has a figure that is waiting at the end of that part as the strongest character in it.
Very early on in the pre-TS, we are introduced to Whitebeard as a powerhouse second to none and he came at the end of pre-TS.
Early on in the post-TS we are introduced to Kaido as the powerhouse second to none, with an even superior title than Whitebeard's.
The reason why it turned out that WB wasn't actually the strongest was Mihawk who was introduced first before all others.
The reason why Kaido never officially got the WSC box is also Mihawk, that's why Kaido's title is presented as a rumor.
But make no mistake, both Whitebeard n Kaido received those titles for a good reason, because they were the strongest once obtained.
However, neither Whitebeard nor even Kaido are Oda's most valuable chip, that was Mihawk from the get-go. The cat was out of the bag in chapter 50 but due to popularity and due to extending the story, Oda was forced to ignore Mihawk as if he didn't exist in order to hype up Whitebeard and Kaido.
We are finally in the age of Dracula, the actual strongest from the beginning.
That's why Oda said to pay attention to this part and you can start reading now as if all before doesn't matter.
Those titles are a direct message to us, the audience. Oda uses citizens to remind us about those titles.
To understand lots of things in One Piece, you have to look at them all from the point of its ending, instead of randomly along the way.
After Final Saga was revealed as a separate part of the story, it became clear what the World's Strongest titles refer to.
They refer to the strongest people of those respective parts of the story, pre-TS, post-TS and Final Saga.
Each part of the story has a figure that is waiting at the end of that part as the strongest character in it.
Very early on in the pre-TS, we are introduced to Whitebeard as a powerhouse second to none and he came at the end of pre-TS.
Early on in the post-TS we are introduced to Kaido as the powerhouse second to none, with an even superior title than Whitebeard's.
The reason why it turned out that WB wasn't actually the strongest was Mihawk who was introduced first before all others.
The reason why Kaido never officially got the WSC box is also Mihawk, that's why Kaido's title is presented as a rumor.
But make no mistake, both Whitebeard n Kaido received those titles for a good reason, because they were the strongest once obtained.
However, neither Whitebeard nor even Kaido are Oda's most valuable chip, that was Mihawk from the get-go. The cat was out of the bag in chapter 50 but due to popularity and due to extending the story, Oda was forced to ignore Mihawk as if he didn't exist in order to hype up Whitebeard and Kaido.
We are finally in the age of Dracula, the actual strongest from the beginning.
That's why Oda said to pay attention to this part and you can start reading now as if all before doesn't matter.
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this is the explanation of how the titles were created and distributed
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...strongest-titles-are-recent-inventions.70512/
this is the explanation of how the titles were created and distributed
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...strongest-titles-are-recent-inventions.70512/
As powerful as the Quake fruit is, I wouldn't say that's why he was called the strongest man.
Why do I say this? Well, because whenever someone has eaten a Devil Fruit people start going "Are they even human!?!" when they use their ability.
Beyond that, Blackbeard isn't considered the strongest man, and he has the Quake fruit.
Therefore, I think it's an actual measurement of physical strength among humankind (specifically the males: World's Strongest Man).
Note: I'm suggesting that Devil Fruits are a non-factor, but also that by virtue of having one, a person often isn't even considered human anymore. Furthermore, it presents issues when we look at things like the Strong fruit (it manipulates physical strength).
Why do I say this? Well, because whenever someone has eaten a Devil Fruit people start going "Are they even human!?!" when they use their ability.
Beyond that, Blackbeard isn't considered the strongest man, and he has the Quake fruit.
Therefore, I think it's an actual measurement of physical strength among humankind (specifically the males: World's Strongest Man).
Note: I'm suggesting that Devil Fruits are a non-factor, but also that by virtue of having one, a person often isn't even considered human anymore. Furthermore, it presents issues when we look at things like the Strong fruit (it manipulates physical strength).
"How can the people of one piece know that white beard is the actual strongest if he never actually defeated anyone? "
The people of one piece don't have to know, nor do they know for a fact, that's the point. That's why they can debate who the WSS is for example if they like.
It's reputation in world which is separate, and yet correlates with the narrative. But WB's reputation has reached enough people in the One Piece world, not everyone has to agree for it to be true, but those who know WB's reputation can mutually agree for whatever reason
What is important is what the narrative is portraying, and what the narrator is saying, the reader knows, the reader doesn't need to impose their own criteria on what makes someone whatever, like defeating someone. The narrative is telling you they are that thing. So you take it as truth until shown otherwise.
The problem is what readers tend to do is impose their flawed reading comprehension onto narrative portrayal. Like for example that being the WSM must mean that you win every 1v1, when that is not what the narration is saying. So WB beating anyone for a title is irrelevant as far as the narrative is concerned
The people of one piece don't have to know, nor do they know for a fact, that's the point. That's why they can debate who the WSS is for example if they like.
It's reputation in world which is separate, and yet correlates with the narrative. But WB's reputation has reached enough people in the One Piece world, not everyone has to agree for it to be true, but those who know WB's reputation can mutually agree for whatever reason
What is important is what the narrative is portraying, and what the narrator is saying, the reader knows, the reader doesn't need to impose their own criteria on what makes someone whatever, like defeating someone. The narrative is telling you they are that thing. So you take it as truth until shown otherwise.
The problem is what readers tend to do is impose their flawed reading comprehension onto narrative portrayal. Like for example that being the WSM must mean that you win every 1v1, when that is not what the narration is saying. So WB beating anyone for a title is irrelevant as far as the narrative is concerned
