Future Events Can We Please Stop Pretending Like Sabo vs Sakazuki is a Plausible Fight?

[Cinera]

The fight is entirely based on the premise that Sabo will defeat Sakazuki to avenge Ace and we'll see the Mera triumph over the Magu but:

1. Sakazuki's narrative/thematic conflict is with Luffy not Sabo
   • Sakazuki gave Luffy his second ever scar
   • A scar that aches when Luffy hears his name being called
   • Luffy witnessed Sakazuki kill his brother in front of him
   • Said brother that died trying to protect him
   • If anyone should be avenging Ace, it's Luffy, the person Ace died to save.
2. Sabo's end game opponent isn't the Fleet Admiral
   • The enemies of the Revolutionary Army are the Tenryuubito not Marine HQ
   • The latest chapter introduced the Holy Knights and set them up as the main opponents of the Revolutionary Army
   • Sabo in particular was said to be their main target
3. The Mera conquering the Magu is implausible in story
   • Sakazuki's magma is the directly superlative version of Ace's Mera
   • Mera conquering the Magu makes as much sense as Monet's snow conquering Kuzan's chill
4. The Strawhats would be the ones to defeat the Marines
   • The Marines are a major antagonistic force present since the beginning of the story and would naturally be defeated by the Strawhats
   • As the Captain of the Strawhats Luffy will defeat the leader of the Marines
     • Note that despite Law's much greater thematic conflict with Doflamingo, at the end of the day it was Luffy that defeated Doflamingo
     • Without fail, every major antagonist is defeated by Luffy, even if Sabo had a stronger narrative to face Sakazuki (he does not) it would ultimately be Luffy that defeats him
     • Sakazuki is simply too important an antagonist to be defeated by the likes of Sabo
   • The other Admirals (Borsalino, Issho and Aramaki) may be defeated by Luffy's top commanders
     • If Borsalino is not first bested in Egghead

Even before the introduction of the Holy Knights, the argument was never credible (#1 or #4 alone are sufficient to decisively invalidate it), but right now, the argument is especially ridiculous.

Being frank, the only legs that argument stands on are the desperate pleas of powerscalers who don't want Luffy to fight an Admiral after defeating the Emperors. And that's quite sad. A significant contingent of this fanbase is so cucked by powerscaling fantasies they can't read the story correctly.


Or as @TheAncientCenturion put it:

It's entirely a fight pushed by agendas, which is why I never liked it. Sabo has less reasons to fight Luffy than Akainu.

Akainu permenately changed Luffy's appearance. The only other person to do that was Luffy himself in Romance Dawn.
Luffy is the reason Ace is dead. He dropped the vivre card. He let his guard down. Ace had to jump in and sacrifice himself.
Akainu spent the entire backend of the arc haunting Luffy's corpse and running through as many fighters as it took to try and get Luffy.

Sabo is a revolutionary. The revolutionaries are pivoted towards opposing the celestial dragons first and foremost. Leave the marines for their natural enemy, the pirates.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Luffy will be the one that will defeats Sakazuki.

But saying Sabo won't at least clash with Sakazuki or saying Sabo vs Sakazuki is not possible is like saying Zoro won't fight Kaido during Wano.

 

[Cinera]

Luffy will be the one that will defeats Sakazuki.

But saying Sabo won't at least clash with Sakazuki or saying Sabo vs Sakazuki is not possible is like saying Zoro won't fight Kaido during Wano.

Where's the narrative setup for Sabo vs Sakazuki?

 

[SkySanji]

Sabo vs Akainu is set in stone, Luffy ain't having two extreme diff fights in a single arc and the Latrines aren't getting their own arc, so it's either Akainu is a Bellamy/Blueno type character, or he's being handled by Sabo.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Where's the narrative setup for Sabo vs Sakazuki?

There's a few of them.

Sabo inherited Ace's will vs Akainu for example.

 

[Apollo]

Great post, pretty much summarized why Sabo won't face Akainu. If any Rev should face Akainu, it would be Dragon because of a possible connection between both.

The fact Akainu went after Luffy even before Ace was always suspicious to me. We'll see when we get Dragon's complete backstory.

 

[milluki]

yeah, sabo vs akainu never made sense. couple months ago i made notes for a future video on sabo's two big remaining fights. aramaki and lucci. aramaki really believes in the celestial dragons, sabo really hates them. both have logias. forest fires are a big problem in real life. lucci got a scar on his back as a child when the government ordered him to eliminate the people on that crew. sabo got a scar from a celestial dragon shooting at him as a child. there are even connections between lucci and aramaki. lucci wore a bull mask, when he attacked iceberg. both lucci and aramaki tried to attack luffy after he had become an emperor, against akainu's orders. not sure that god knights are really what people think they are.

 

[Sasaki Kojirō]

Let me see if Oda's thinking is in the right place...

First, Blackbeard, one of the Emperors and possibly a final boss or close to it, is the captain of a man who fought for 10 days against the current fleet admiral Akainu. These two admirals are described as equals, and the fact that the battle lasted for 10 days only proves that. Aokiji, as we all know, is a subordinate of Blackbeard. It is no surprise to anyone that Blackbeard is superior to Aokiji, who is equal to Akainu. So, to simplify:

• Blackbeard > Aokiji = Akainu.

Luffy defeats Blackbeard and then goes back to someone who is on the same level as his subordinate and fights against Akainu?

In the best-case scenario for Akainu, we have the following option:

• Blackbeard > Aokiji.
• Akainu > Aokiji.

So, Akainu shares something in common with Blackbeard, which is being above Aokiji. However, the difference is not considerably large, considering Aokiji is said to be equal to Akainu, and both went through an extreme difference. Would Blackbeard, at the peak of his power, go through an extreme difference against Aokiji? To the point where Blackbeard and Aokiji are referred to as equals? That is debatabl...

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

I do see your point but then again there's setups for Sabo vs Sakazuki as well.
For one, it's thematic. Magma vs Fire again, but this time fire will come out on top.
For two, we've seen Sabo fight Admirals before despite them not being his exact goal, and him saying he values helping Luffy over his job as a Revolutionary.
He's also Luffy's brother.
But we'll see.

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Let me see if Oda's thinking is in the right place...

First, Blackbeard, one of the Emperors and possibly a final boss or close to it, is the captain of a man who fought for 10 days against the current fleet admiral Akainu. These two admirals are described as equals, and the fact that the battle lasted for 10 days only proves that. Aokiji, as we all know, is a subordinate of Blackbeard. It is no surprise to anyone that Blackbeard is superior to Aokiji, who is equal to Akainu. So, to simplify:

• Blackbeard > Aokiji = Akainu.

Luffy defeats Blackbeard and then goes back to someone who is on the same level as his subordinate and fights against Akainu?

In the best-case scenario for Akainu, we have the following option:

• Blackbeard > Aokiji.
• Akainu > Aokiji.

So, Akainu shares something in common with Blackbeard, which is being above Aokiji. However, the difference is not considerably large, considering Aokiji is said to be equal to Akainu, and both went through an extreme difference. Would Blackbeard, at the peak of his power, go through an extreme difference against Aokiji? That is debatable.

Akainu could have trained and got stronger, to be fair.

 

[SkySanji]

Ace will have his revenge

 

[Cinera]

Let me see if Oda's thinking is in the right place...

First, Blackbeard, one of the Emperors and possibly a final boss or close to it, is the captain of a man who fought for 10 days against the current fleet admiral Akainu. These two admirals are described as equals, and the fact that the battle lasted for 10 days only proves that. Aokiji, as we all know, is a subordinate of Blackbeard. It is no surprise to anyone that Blackbeard is superior to Aokiji, who is equal to Akainu. So, to simplify:

• Blackbeard > Aokiji = Akainu.

Luffy defeats Blackbeard and then goes back to someone who is on the same level as his subordinate and fights against Akainu?

In the best-case scenario for Akainu, we have the following option:

• Blackbeard > Aokiji.
• Akainu > Aokiji.

So, Akainu shares something in common with Blackbeard, which is being above Aokiji. However, the difference is not considerably large, considering Aokiji is said to be equal to Akainu, and both went through an extreme difference. Would Blackbeard, at the peak of his power, go through an extreme difference against Aokiji? That is debatable.

Blackbeard hasn't actually been established as superior to Kuzan, and if anything the flashback suggested the opposite; Kuzan was ready to take on Blackbeard and his entire crew.

 

[Sasaki Kojirō]

Blackbeard hasn't actually been established as superior to Kuzan, and if anything the flashback suggested the opposite; Kuzan was ready to take on Blackbeard and his entire crew.

Him being willing to face Blackbeard while already having frozen Blackbeard's commanders and thus restricting Blackbeard's ability to use his full arsenal, I believe it's different from him being able to defeat him. We have several cases where most characters are willing to take a step greater than they can handle and take big risks that don't end up as they expect. Luffy, Red Scabbards, I could use the fact that Lafitte literally suggested to Blackbeard the idea of stealing Aokiji's powers as proof that his subordinate firmly believed that Blackbeard is capable of defeating Aokiji and stealing his powers. I can play around with that too, man.

Aokiji, whether you like it or not, is just a mere subordinate.

 

[Date]

Think both haver reason to fight Akainu, but Luffy probably will be the one fighting him.

The Luffy, Zoro and Sanji vs Akainu, Kizaru and Ryokugyu seems to very likely.

But, the Sabo vs Akainu, as the heir to Ace will, would be ok too, like Luffy start the fight, then Sabo take over for Luffy to go deal with the real boss Imu. With Sabo subverting the Magma>Fire thing, talking about how he wont let Akainu touch another brother and even saying to Luffy things like "i'm not alone, i'm with Ace"


The Monster trio vs Admirals have a timming problem, like, they will have extreme difficult fights against the Admirals and then go on to fight Imu and Gorosei/Knights? Dont know If would make sense ir would make the Admirals the Bluenos of the final saga.

Also, what about the other SH? They will fight random marines? Oda creating 9 subosdinates for Imu seems like a clear setup for the SH.


About the powerscale, thats just bullshit. Kaido, Teach, Luffy, Akainu are all top tiers on the same "lvl". The only one that seems clearly above them all is Imu

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Honestly I think the main narrative push for Sabo vs Akainu is Sabo inheriting aces will and Akainu having a vendetta against dragon.

I still can’t see luffy fighting someone strictly for vengeance especially now that luffys stated to be stronger the more he laughs, that kind of power doesn’t mesh well with a vengeance story.

But I also wouldn’t be shocked if luffy still wants to defeat Akainu personally

 

[Sasaki Kojirō]

I do see your point but then again there's setups for Sabo vs Sakazuki as well.
For one, it's thematic. Magma vs Fire again, but this time fire will come out on top.
For two, we've seen Sabo fight Admirals before despite them not being his exact goal, and him saying he values helping Luffy over his job as a Revolutionary.
He's also Luffy's brother.
But we'll see.

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Akainu could have trained and got stronger, to be fair.

Akainu could have trained and got stronger, to be fair.

What is Akainu's age? 55 or 56 years old, I don't recall well, but after watching the entire fight between Kaidou and Luffy, do you think Kaidou became stronger, learned a new type of Haki, or even evolved during his battle? No, Kaidou didn't evolve or become stronger during his world-level confrontation with Luffy because would Akainu have done such a thing after his fight with Aokiji, or even during it, when his age is almost the same as Kaidou's? Is Akainu some kind of Yc1 who needs to receive power-ups in the middle of his fight, even as a middle-aged admiral? LMAO, that's hilarious, no offense to your response...

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

What is Akainu's age? 55 or 56 years old, I don't recall well, but after watching the entire fight between Kaidou and Luffy, do you think Kaidou became stronger, learned a new type of Haki, or even evolved during his battle? No, Kaidou didn't evolve or become stronger during his world-level confrontation with Luffy because would Akainu have done such a thing after his fight with Aokiji, or even during it, when his age is almost the same as Kaidou's? Is Akainu some kind of Yc1 who needs to receive power-ups in the middle of his fight, even as a middle-aged admiral? LMAO, that's hilarious, no offense to your response...

He drank and got stronger Haki..

 

[Heart pirate]

Where's the narrative setup for Sabo vs Sakazuki?

This a trick question?

 

[Sasaki Kojirō]

He drank and got stronger Haki..

This isn't a power-up for Kaidou; it's a stronger mode that Kaidou already had in his arsenal and didn't develop during the fight. It's different from receiving a power-up, which means learning something new...

Kaidou's drunk modes are similar to his infusion with Haoshoku, but before 1023, his attacks didn't contain Haoshoku infusion, only the explosion of Haoshoku. However, in 1009, he showed Haoshoku coating, which is not a power-up but something that Kaidou already had in his arsenal and was holding back. The same goes for his drunk modes; although they increase Kaidou's strength, it's not something he learned during the fight. He already had them even before it began.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

It's entirely a fight pushed by agendas, which is why I never liked it. Sabo has less reasons to fight Luffy than Akainu.

Akainu permenately changed Luffy's appearance. The only other person to do that was Luffy himself in Romance Dawn.
Luffy is the reason Ace is dead. He dropped the vivre card. He let his guard down. Ace had to jump in and sacrifice himself.
Akainu spent the entire backend of the arc haunting Luffy's corpse and running through as many fighters as it took to try and get Luffy.

Sabo is a revolutionary. The revolutionaries are pivoted towards opposing the celestial dragons first and foremost. Leave the marines for their natural enemy, the pirates.

 

[ZenZu]

This isn't a power-up for Kaidou; it's a stronger mode that Kaidou already had in his arsenal and didn't develop during the fight. It's different from receiving a power-up, which means learning something new...

Kaidou's drunk modes are similar to his infusion with Haoshoku, but before 1023, his attacks didn't contain Haoshoku infusion, only the explosion of Haoshoku. However, in 1009, he showed Haoshoku coating, which is not a power-up but something that Kaidou already had in his arsenal and was holding back. The same goes for his drunk modes; although they increase Kaidou's strength, it's not something he learned during the fight. He already had them even before it began.

Kaidou drinking to power up is kinda cheating, it's like a senzu bean or it's like when dudes don't have the balls to talk to girls sober so they use the power of alcohol to stop themselves from shitting their pants.

What about a scenario where Kaidou is not on his home turf and without his favourite drink?