Future Events Can We Please Stop Pretending Like Sabo vs Sakazuki is a Plausible Fight?
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Thematic is useless. We've seen fights that seem to happen but never happened and fight we thought would never happen happen.
Who are we to know who's enemy would be anyone's endgame. If Sabo's goal is to demolish the CD system then we already have seen goals that someone else wanted but Luffy did.
Law wanted to defeat Doffy but Luffy did.
Vivi wanted to defeat Crocodile but Luffy did.
Scabbards wanted to defeat Kaido but Luffy did.
I could go on but it is almost in every arc
Making Sabo the underdog
Says who? What would be accomplish in this?
I honestly don't see anyway Akainu would fight Luffy. Marines won't be defeated in a separate arc nor they will overtake WG.
Luffy would be the one who would change the OP world. Defeating Akainu in final war is not a world changing event.
Who are we to know who's enemy would be anyone's endgame. If Sabo's goal is to demolish the CD system then we already have seen goals that someone else wanted but Luffy did.
Law wanted to defeat Doffy but Luffy did.
Vivi wanted to defeat Crocodile but Luffy did.
Scabbards wanted to defeat Kaido but Luffy did.
I could go on but it is almost in every arc
Making Sabo the underdog
Says who? What would be accomplish in this?
I honestly don't see anyway Akainu would fight Luffy. Marines won't be defeated in a separate arc nor they will overtake WG.
Luffy would be the one who would change the OP world. Defeating Akainu in final war is not a world changing event.
HMMMM... man the amount of disingenuousness shown in some of the posts is pretty insane and really showcasing an insane case of what would be called selective reading.
Lol?????? My dude that's literally the No.1 reason Luffy vs Akainu has been pushed. You're applying the biggest Luffy vs Akainu reason that people wanted to see Luffy come and whoop Akainu's ass to now Sabo fans. No supporter of this fight wants it to happen for revenge reason, it's literally the dumbest reason to waste Akainu on. So you're wrong there.
1st. Not a narrative/ thematic reason for the fight to happen.
2nd. Yup, that's not really a narrative/thematic reason.
3rd. Yes, possible motivation for Luffy, but not exactly a narrative/thematic conflict.
4th. Yup, possible possible motivation for Luffy, but not exactly a narrative/thematic conflict.
5th. Nope, but again not a thematic/narrative conflict.
Thank you for proving my point off the very bat. Even though you called it a narrative/thematic conflict... you literally for your 1st reason used the very same reason you complained the Sabo vs Akainu is based on... REVENGE. That is not a narrative/thematic conflict between two characters. That's simply a possible motivation for 1 character, while the other could give a dog's ass.
When it comes to actual narrative/thematic conflict, aka where the storylines and the themes of two characters collide... Dragon, Fujitora, and Sabo are all above Luffy by a good margin. Fujitora in particular is the direct thematic conflict if anything, bigger than the other thematic conflict Kuzan before him.
"Freest man" is not the thematic conflict to "Thorough Justice" or "Absolute Justice".
- Factually, taking on the Celestial Dragons is not just taking on the Holy Knights, but the CP0 +.... who? Marine HQ. Because why? It's literally the CD's ARMY.
- So we had Sabo vs Marines, RA commanders vs two admirals.. Yup doesn't seem like any marine conflict with the RA.
- At the sametime as Luffy is announced as an Emperor of the sea. We get a conversation between 3 marine top tiers, Akainu/Kizaru/Tensei... and who's the primary focus? Sabo. With Tensei literally telling Akainu yo we can't let them keep running unchecked.
- In the very chapter Oda spends pages on pages with 3 marine top dogs discussing the Revolutionary Army... this is the single panel dedicated to the man who you're talking about.
- Akainu here isn't referring to just pirates, lol. He's referring to the RA + pirates.
- Holy Knights is a specialized group, with 9 people. That's not the Revolutionary ARMY's opponent.
- The Revolutionary ARMY has the same position at the top of their army as the World Government does at the top of their military.
And who're the top dogs under Kong & Dragon? Akainu & Sabo...
Notice how the Holy Knights vs Sabo conflict is being brought up WAY BEFORE the Final War, with 9 individuals who's highest priority will be Sabo... so Dragon wants Sabo to be careful about that when doing the missions he'll be assigned to until they do a proper launch.
So yea.... Marine HQ is a BIG ENEMY of the Revolutionaries... why? Cause they're owned by the Celestial Dragons just like the Holy Knights are.
Echiiro Oda after stating Magu Magu > Mera Mera, goes out of his way to point out no ability alone guarantees a victory in combat. In particularly when Sabo's main focus of style is not the mera mera, but haki. You think Oda just coincidently bothered introduced Sabo with a Haki/Rokushiki-esque based combat style before giving him the mera mera? Nope. Ace on the other hand was a full on mera mera based fighter.
- Specific characters in the Marines are a major antagonistic force since the beginning. And do you know who saved Luffy's ass from going to Impel Down by hands of the Marines? A revolutionary.. Dragon's first character interaction was with who? A Marine. HMMMMMMMM coooooking.
- They are a major, but not THE major. They are a pawn to a bigger antagonist... you know the mfs that Nika & Joyboy would be going against.
- Sakazuki isn't the major antagonist for that faction
- Sabo right now is a bigger entity than Luffy, i'm not exactly sure why you're acting as if Sabo isn't a major protagonistic force in the manga.
- I mean bro that's cool if that's what you want
But see this isn't a concrete reason, it's just the typical fanbase theory of SHPs vs Marine HQ. Just as the whole SHPs vs Zodiac etc etc.
Reality is, Luffy is joyboy and Nika. Nika's enemies were the ones who enslaved people. Joyboy's enemies were the 20 Kingdoms... aka it ain't the Marines. So idk why you'd even bring up the CD being main enemies for the RA, but then ignore them for Luffy, when his entire character's end goal is gonna focused on overthrowing the CD.
Bro just say you don't want it to happen. Saying the argument for Sabo is ridiculous is just being ridiculous yourself.
You again just listed the main motivation behind why people get so insecure about anything but Luffy vs Akainu happening.
Because y'all would literally bash Akainu if he fought somebody else other than Luffy, saying he's not Yonko built like that inferior to Kaido... so the mfs who support Akainu in powerscaling run this narrative of Luffy vs Akainu to prove Akainu is the top dog.
Lol?????? My dude that's literally the No.1 reason Luffy vs Akainu has been pushed. You're applying the biggest Luffy vs Akainu reason that people wanted to see Luffy come and whoop Akainu's ass to now Sabo fans. No supporter of this fight wants it to happen for revenge reason, it's literally the dumbest reason to waste Akainu on. So you're wrong there.
1st. Not a narrative/ thematic reason for the fight to happen.
2nd. Yup, that's not really a narrative/thematic reason.
3rd. Yes, possible motivation for Luffy, but not exactly a narrative/thematic conflict.
4th. Yup, possible possible motivation for Luffy, but not exactly a narrative/thematic conflict.
5th. Nope, but again not a thematic/narrative conflict.
Thank you for proving my point off the very bat. Even though you called it a narrative/thematic conflict... you literally for your 1st reason used the very same reason you complained the Sabo vs Akainu is based on... REVENGE. That is not a narrative/thematic conflict between two characters. That's simply a possible motivation for 1 character, while the other could give a dog's ass.
When it comes to actual narrative/thematic conflict, aka where the storylines and the themes of two characters collide... Dragon, Fujitora, and Sabo are all above Luffy by a good margin. Fujitora in particular is the direct thematic conflict if anything, bigger than the other thematic conflict Kuzan before him.
"Freest man" is not the thematic conflict to "Thorough Justice" or "Absolute Justice".
- Factually, taking on the Celestial Dragons is not just taking on the Holy Knights, but the CP0 +.... who? Marine HQ. Because why? It's literally the CD's ARMY.
- At the sametime as Luffy is announced as an Emperor of the sea. We get a conversation between 3 marine top tiers, Akainu/Kizaru/Tensei... and who's the primary focus? Sabo. With Tensei literally telling Akainu yo we can't let them keep running unchecked.
- Holy Knights is a specialized group, with 9 people. That's not the Revolutionary ARMY's opponent.
- The Revolutionary ARMY has the same position at the top of their army as the World Government does at the top of their military.
Notice how the Holy Knights vs Sabo conflict is being brought up WAY BEFORE the Final War, with 9 individuals who's highest priority will be Sabo... so Dragon wants Sabo to be careful about that when doing the missions he'll be assigned to until they do a proper launch.
So yea.... Marine HQ is a BIG ENEMY of the Revolutionaries... why? Cause they're owned by the Celestial Dragons just like the Holy Knights are.
Echiiro Oda after stating Magu Magu > Mera Mera, goes out of his way to point out no ability alone guarantees a victory in combat. In particularly when Sabo's main focus of style is not the mera mera, but haki. You think Oda just coincidently bothered introduced Sabo with a Haki/Rokushiki-esque based combat style before giving him the mera mera? Nope. Ace on the other hand was a full on mera mera based fighter.
- Specific characters in the Marines are a major antagonistic force since the beginning. And do you know who saved Luffy's ass from going to Impel Down by hands of the Marines? A revolutionary.. Dragon's first character interaction was with who? A Marine. HMMMMMMMM coooooking.
- They are a major, but not THE major. They are a pawn to a bigger antagonist... you know the mfs that Nika & Joyboy would be going against.
- Sakazuki isn't the major antagonist for that faction
- Sabo right now is a bigger entity than Luffy, i'm not exactly sure why you're acting as if Sabo isn't a major protagonistic force in the manga.
- I mean bro that's cool if that's what you want
But see this isn't a concrete reason, it's just the typical fanbase theory of SHPs vs Marine HQ. Just as the whole SHPs vs Zodiac etc etc.
Reality is, Luffy is joyboy and Nika. Nika's enemies were the ones who enslaved people. Joyboy's enemies were the 20 Kingdoms... aka it ain't the Marines. So idk why you'd even bring up the CD being main enemies for the RA, but then ignore them for Luffy, when his entire character's end goal is gonna focused on overthrowing the CD.
Bro just say you don't want it to happen. Saying the argument for Sabo is ridiculous is just being ridiculous yourself.
You again just listed the main motivation behind why people get so insecure about anything but Luffy vs Akainu happening.
Because y'all would literally bash Akainu if he fought somebody else other than Luffy, saying he's not Yonko built like that inferior to Kaido... so the mfs who support Akainu in powerscaling run this narrative of Luffy vs Akainu to prove Akainu is the top dog.
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More reason for Sakazuki to target Dragon's son (as he did at Marineford).
As stated earlier, Sakazuki wants to kill Luffy and he already tried to do so at Marineford; he may try again.
Furthermore, being the Fleet Admiral already places him in opposition to the Pirate King, whether Luffy desires revenge or not.
Sabo's business is with the Tenryuubito and their Holy Knights.
As is Mihawk.
As stated earlier, Sakazuki wants to kill Luffy and he already tried to do so at Marineford; he may try again.
Furthermore, being the Fleet Admiral already places him in opposition to the Pirate King, whether Luffy desires revenge or not.
Sabo's business is with the Tenryuubito and their Holy Knights.
As is Mihawk.
Fact of the matter is, Sakazuki's job is to kill pirates. It's not his fault he had to do his job and carry out an execution.
Ace died due to being too argumentative and going back to fight Saka after everyone told him not to fight him, just like he got captured by fighting BB.
It was never Luffy's fault for Ace's death. So yes, while he can be angry at Sakazuki for killing Ace, he should be even angrier at his real opponent: Blackbeard.
Not only was he the main reason for Ace getting captured and executed in the first place, but he finished Sickbeard and beat most of his crew afterwards.
There's also just more reason for him to fight BB in the first place.
Roger went his whole life without actually defeating the Marines, as it wasn't beneficial for him anyway.
Even Primebeard didn't fight the Marines went they sent a battleship after him, reason being that one:
He isn't obligated to
Two: They can just keep sending people and it's ultimately a pointless fight anyway ( his goal isn't to fight hordes of Marines and take them down, it's to have a family and do pirate shit )
Meanwhile Roger won against Shiki, Chinjao was taken out of the race forcefully by Garp, etc
Luffy's goals don't include taking down Sakazuki. Taking down BB is necessary to become the PK and stay the PK.
So it's more likely Sabo will fight Sakazuki.
Ace died due to being too argumentative and going back to fight Saka after everyone told him not to fight him, just like he got captured by fighting BB.
It was never Luffy's fault for Ace's death. So yes, while he can be angry at Sakazuki for killing Ace, he should be even angrier at his real opponent: Blackbeard.
Not only was he the main reason for Ace getting captured and executed in the first place, but he finished Sickbeard and beat most of his crew afterwards.
There's also just more reason for him to fight BB in the first place.
Roger went his whole life without actually defeating the Marines, as it wasn't beneficial for him anyway.
Even Primebeard didn't fight the Marines went they sent a battleship after him, reason being that one:
He isn't obligated to
Two: They can just keep sending people and it's ultimately a pointless fight anyway ( his goal isn't to fight hordes of Marines and take them down, it's to have a family and do pirate shit )
Meanwhile Roger won against Shiki, Chinjao was taken out of the race forcefully by Garp, etc
Luffy's goals don't include taking down Sakazuki. Taking down BB is necessary to become the PK and stay the PK.
So it's more likely Sabo will fight Sakazuki.
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Akainu was Teased destroying Ohara Ship (Even though it carried Children)
He was then Fully Introduced during Ace's Execution War
He then Attacked Luffy & ended up killing Ace
He then kept chasing Luffy
He then got interrupted by Koby, once He tried to kill him, Shanks intervened
After that He was seen going to retrieve Bonney who clearly Hates him
Post-TS He was teased when He sent Fujitora to investigate Law/Luffy Alliance
After Wano Raid, Ryokugyu was Introduced who wanted to please Akainu by capturing Supernova
And finally, He was shown reacting to Flame Emperor News & vowing to stop all this madness
Akainu is not Luffy's Enemy nor is He Sabo's Enemy, He is Enemy of entire New Generation
We literally seen his Stance with Ohara Kids, Ace, Luffy, Koby, Bonney, Law, Sabo .. etc
Akainu represents Biggest Opposer of New Generation, He is a Volcano, his Justice will ultimately lead to him wanting to Destroy The World
He is literally Canon Version of Zephyr, just with different Backstory
Akainu is gonna be Defeated by neither Luffy or Sabo, He is gonna be Defeated by his Opposite Shanks
But after that Defeat, He will try to destroy Grand Line or Part of the World (Where Final War is happening) using Volcanos
(As Teased during Start of Fishmen Island)
He is basically Surtr & Elbaf Kingdom know about this Prophecy
He was then Fully Introduced during Ace's Execution War
He then Attacked Luffy & ended up killing Ace
He then kept chasing Luffy
He then got interrupted by Koby, once He tried to kill him, Shanks intervened
After that He was seen going to retrieve Bonney who clearly Hates him
Post-TS He was teased when He sent Fujitora to investigate Law/Luffy Alliance
After Wano Raid, Ryokugyu was Introduced who wanted to please Akainu by capturing Supernova
And finally, He was shown reacting to Flame Emperor News & vowing to stop all this madness
Akainu is not Luffy's Enemy nor is He Sabo's Enemy, He is Enemy of entire New Generation
We literally seen his Stance with Ohara Kids, Ace, Luffy, Koby, Bonney, Law, Sabo .. etc
Akainu represents Biggest Opposer of New Generation, He is a Volcano, his Justice will ultimately lead to him wanting to Destroy The World
He is literally Canon Version of Zephyr, just with different Backstory
Akainu is gonna be Defeated by neither Luffy or Sabo, He is gonna be Defeated by his Opposite Shanks
But after that Defeat, He will try to destroy Grand Line or Part of the World (Where Final War is happening) using Volcanos
(As Teased during Start of Fishmen Island)
He is basically Surtr & Elbaf Kingdom know about this Prophecy
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I think Sabo vs Akainu comes from those who wished Shiryu vs Mihawk. In both cases they want second strongest from one team to destroy another one from level or levels above. Both matchups haven't ever had any real plot ties between opponents but it could not stop people dream about Mihawk/Akainu defeat.
