Future Events Can We Please Stop Pretending Like Sabo vs Sakazuki is a Plausible Fight?

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

It's entirely a fight pushed by agendas, which is why I never liked it. Sabo has less reasons to fight Luffy than Akainu.

Akainu permenately changed Luffy's appearance. The only other person to do that was Luffy himself in Romance Dawn.
Luffy is the reason Ace is dead. He dropped the vivre card. He let his guard down. Ace had to jump in and sacrifice himself.
Akainu spent the entire backend of the arc haunting Luffy's corpse and running through as many fighters as it took to try and get Luffy.

Sabo is a revolutionary. The revolutionaries are pivoted towards opposing the celestial dragons first and foremost. Leave the marines for their natural enemy, the pirates.

Which is why Sabo fought Fujitora right?
Or why they fought the Admirals in the reverie?

 

[AkainuTheGrimReaper]

I mean Greenbull need to kill luffy to make Akainu happy . Like come o , that classic villain type .
‘’Akainu hate luffy the most like bowser hate Mario , ganondorf hate Link etc.
‘Villains who hate main character would fight this same main character especially shouen manga .

We have sabo ignore two admirals for his goal .
‘Sabo saw IMU and and already got secret making sabo vs Akainu even more pointless when sabo know true enemy .
‘And holy knights is after him , not Akainu.

‘’How sabo beating Akainu actually overthrow celestial dragon when he is replaceable according to Akainu downplayers ? IMU and holy knights , celestial dragons are more important to revolutionary people than marines .

Oda can’t even ZKK for zoro to kill kaido . Anti-ZKK say zoro is not main character and luffy is main character .

‘’Luffy is main character who saw Ace die in front of his eye and got scar from him and fell ache when jinbe told him about Akainu best Kuzan and become fleet admiral .
‘But sabo is not even important as Zoro is surely best Akainu that same anti-ZKK say zoro won’t kill or beat kaido because luffy is main character .

And oda doesn’t give crap about powerscale or arc length - man can’t do basic math. Only he do in narrative and story wise . Oda can pull senzu bean on luffy after fight akainu to fight IMU guy just like he did to zoro after fighting kaiod and big mom to fight king .

 

[Sasaki Kojirō]

Kaidou drinking to power up is kinda cheating, it's like a senzu bean or it's like when dudes don't have the balls to talk to girls sober so they use the power of alcohol to stop themselves from shitting their pants.

What about a scenario where Kaidou is not on his home turf and without his favourite drink?

Wow, do you call it cheating when a man uses alcohol, his vice, to help him become even stronger in his fights? Turning something that should be a weakness into power...

Only a few are capable of that, and we should give credit to Kaidou... I would say that carrying swords that tremble, vibrate, and almost speak is more bizarre than carrying a bottle of alcohol to refresh your throat.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

It's entirely a fight pushed by agendas, which is why I never liked it. Sabo has less reasons to fight Luffy than Akainu.

Akainu permenately changed Luffy's appearance. The only other person to do that was Luffy himself in Romance Dawn.
Luffy is the reason Ace is dead. He dropped the vivre card. He let his guard down. Ace had to jump in and sacrifice himself.
Akainu spent the entire backend of the arc haunting Luffy's corpse and running through as many fighters as it took to try and get Luffy.

Sabo is a revolutionary. The revolutionaries are pivoted towards opposing the celestial dragons first and foremost. Leave the marines for their natural enemy, the pirates.

Problem is Luffys no longer just a pirate; he’s now the sun god of freedom. So he needs to fight imu EOS. So either Akainu is a warm up fight (gross) or Marines are separate fights from Mariejoa

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Which is why Sabo fought Fujitora right?
Or why they fought the Admirals in the reverie?

Fujitora was at the Reverie because he wanted the Shichibukai disbanded.
Greenbull was at Reverie because Sakazuki wanted Fujitora kicked out of Mary Geose.

Repeatedly, the Revos goals are to take down/make war with the Celestial Dragons. The marines are not their primary enemies, in fact it seems like Dragon would be fine with the marines remaining in the status quo if the leadership above them was better.

 

[ZenZu]

Wow, do you call it cheating when a man uses alcohol, his vice, to help him become even stronger in his fights? Turning something that should be a weakness into power...

Only a few are capable of that, and we should give credit to Kaidou... I would say that carrying swords that tremble, vibrate, and almost speak is more bizarre than carrying a bottle of alcohol to refresh your throat.

Well...the thing is since it powers him up, you can think of it as steroids for him. He doesn't have access to that level of strength unless he is drunk, not in his sober natural state.

Fighting with a weapon vs consuming steroids is a bit different I'd say, but Kaidou does both anyway.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Problem is Luffys no longer just a pirate; he’s now the sun god of freedom. So he needs to fight imu EOS. So either Akainu is a warm up fight (gross) or Marines are separate fights from Mariejoa

Luffy will fight both, the circumstances can't be known but the idea that Luffy won't fight the person who almost destroyed his will is insane. No antagonist in the series has had that much impact on Luffy's growth and development as a person.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Problem is Luffys no longer just a pirate; he’s now the sun god of freedom. So he needs to fight imu EOS. So either Akainu is a warm up fight (gross) or Marines are separate fights from Mariejoa

This as well.
The Marines cover for the WG.
Even now, Kizaru is Saturn's bodyguard.
The Revs can not fight the WG without fighting the Marines somewhat.

 

[Zaretball]

Either Sabo/Dragon defeat Akainu or he will get the Blueno treatment.

 

[SkySanji]

It's entirely a fight pushed by agendas, which is why I never liked it. Sabo has less reasons to fight Luffy than Akainu.

Akainu permenately changed Luffy's appearance. The only other person to do that was Luffy himself in Romance Dawn.
Luffy is the reason Ace is dead. He dropped the vivre card. He let his guard down. Ace had to jump in and sacrifice himself.
Akainu spent the entire backend of the arc haunting Luffy's corpse and running through as many fighters as it took to try and get Luffy.

Sabo is a revolutionary. The revolutionaries are pivoted towards opposing the celestial dragons first and foremost. Leave the marines for their natural enemy, the pirates.

Admirals are the Celestial Dragon's lapdogs, you've got to go through them to get to the Celestial Dragons...

 

[GeneralP123]

Sabo will fight Akainu, he surely feels guilty for not being there for Ace, this is his chance to avenge his brother while using his deceased brother's fruit, it will feel like Ace is laughing at Akainu from the grave.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Admirals are the Celestial Dragon's lapdogs, you've got to go through them to get to the Celestial Dragons...

Yup, the Navy is being defeated / replaced by SWORD before the Celestial Dragons go down.

 

[AkainuTheGrimReaper]

Sen they didn’t learn valuable lesson from ZKK ?
Even if sabo clash Akainu doesn’t mean sabo will defeat Akainu . Luffy will defeat. Akainu .
You are reading luffy show manga .

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Luffy will fight both, the circumstances can't be known but the idea that Luffy won't fight the person who almost destroyed his will is insane. No antagonist in the series has had that much impact on Luffy's growth and development as a person.

That’s kinda just shonen anime. Remember how ichigo never fought grand fisher again the man who killed his mom. How Naruto never got to defeat Obito despite Obito killing both his parents and forcing him to be a jinchuriki.

Luffys destiny will overshadow Luffys desire for vengeance imo

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

That’s kinda just shonen anime. Remember how ichigo never fought grand fisher again the man who killed his mom. How Naruto never got to defeat Obito despite Obito killing both his parents and forcing him to be a jinchuriki.

Luffys destiny will overshadow Luffys desire for vengeance imo

Bleach has a big theme of vengeance turning ugly for those who seek it though, it's a very visceral reaction in Kubo's work.

Grandfisher gets destroyed by Isshin, who doesn't blame him for his death.
Tosen thirsts for revenge and is obliterated.
Komamura uses a secret technique to turn immortal, eventually turns into a dog.

Whereas Naruto specifically had to overcome the circle of hatred and vengeance in the Pein Arc.

Nowhere has Oda highlighted these in OP, to my knowledge.

 

[Sasaki Kojirō]

Well...the thing is since it powers him up, you can think of it as steroids for him. He doesn't have access to that level of strength unless he is drunk, not in his sober natural state.

Fighting with a weapon vs consuming steroids is a bit different I'd say, but Kaidou does both anyway.

Alcohol unlocks emotions in Kaidou and allows him to use his abilities better, react to attacks more effectively, and act unexpectedly, something he wouldn't be able to do in his usual state... His Haki becoming stronger is due to the emotions during the fight, such as crying, which a sober Kaidou wouldn't do. LMAO.

However, Kaidou's drunk mode is still his own mode. It's not something that anyone can imitate. I would say it would be like steroids if all the human beings in the fictional universe of One Piece were to drink alcohol and somehow become stronger to the point of improving their fighting style, etc. However, that's not going to happen because it's something that needs to be practiced, developed. The drink is making the others weaker, so comparing Kaidou's drink to steroids is bizarre.


If you want an example of steroids, you should take a look at the Fishman Island saga. By consuming those small pills, they gained considerable strength, and anyone could experience an increase, even though the side effects were significant later on, as shown to us. But if all of them were to get drunk, would they become stronger? The answer is no.

but Kaidou does both anyway

Yes, although Kaidou carries a weapon, it doesn't necessarily mean that it reacts in the same way as others. After all, swords or weapons, speaking in a more general term, have classifications. Some swords have curses, while others have their own will, and this influences how the weapon behaves with its wielder. Some may not even possess their own will or be cursed, and that could be the case with Kanabo, Kaidou's weapon, when compared to other weapons that vibrate, emit Haki without the user's permission, tremble, release aura, and almost speak. LMAO.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Bleach has a big theme of vengeance turning ugly for those who seek it though, it's a very visceral reaction in Kubo's work.

Grandfisher gets destroyed by Isshin, who doesn't blame him for his death.
Tosen thirsts for revenge and is obliterated.
Komamura uses a secret technique to turn immortal, eventually turns into a dog.

Whereas Naruto specifically had to overcome the circle of hatred and vengeance in the Pein Arc.

Nowhere has Oda highlighted these in OP, to my knowledge.

Because Vengeance isn’t a major theme in OP which is why I can’t see one of Luffys ultimate fights being a fight for vengeance.

Luffys set up to be a great emancipator; fighting Sakazuki just doesn’t mesh with that theme because Sakazuki doesn’t stand for tyranny.

 

[ZenZu]

Ontopic:

Sabo vs Akainu is plausible.
Luffy vs Akainu is even more plausible.

Luffy steals fights that don't even belong to him, it's a losing bet to think he won't be the highlight against the one and only character who literally changed his character design.

 

[uyuu]

The fight is entirely based on the premise that Sabo will defeat Sakazuki to avenge Ace and we'll see the Mera triumph over the Magu but:

1. Sakazuki's narrative/thematic conflict is with Luffy not Sabo
   • Sakazuki gave Luffy his second ever scar
   • A scar that aches when Luffy hears his name being called
   • Luffy witnessed Sakazuki kill his brother in front of him
   • Said brother that died trying to protect him
   • If anyone should be avenging Ace, it's Luffy, the person Ace died to save.
2. Sabo's end game opponent isn't the Fleet Admiral
   • The enemies of the Revolutionary Army are the Tenryuubito not Marine HQ
   • The latest chapter introduced the Holy Knights and set them up as the main opponents of the Revolutionary Army
   • Sabo in particular was said to be their main target
3. The Mera conquering the Magu is implausible in story
   • Sakazuki's magma is the directly superlative version of Ace's Mera
   • Mera conquering the Magu makes as much sense as Monet's snow conquering Kuzan's chill
4. The Strawhats would be the ones to defeat the Marines
   • The Marines are a major antagonistic force present since the beginning of the story and would naturally be defeated by the Strawhats
   • As the Captain of the Strawhats Luffy will defeat the leader of the Marines
     • Note that despite Law's much greater thematic conflict with Doflamingo, at the end of the day it was Luffy that defeated Doflamingo
     • Without fail, every major antagonist is defeated by Luffy, even if Sabo had a stronger narrative to face Sakazuki (he does not) it would ultimately be Luffy that defeats him
     • Sakazuki is simply too important an antagonist to be defeated by the likes of Sabo
   • The other Admirals (Borsalino, Issho and Aramaki) may be defeated by Luffy's top commanders
     • If Borsalino is not first bested in Egghead

Even before the introduction of the Holy Knights, the argument was never credible (#1 or #4 alone are sufficient to decisively invalidate it), but right now, the argument is especially ridiculous.

Being frank, the only legs that argument stands on are the desperate plea of powerscalers who don't want Luffy to fight an Admiral after defeating the Emperors. And that's quite sad. A significant contingent of this fanbase is so cucked by powerscaling fantasies they can't read the story correctly.

Imagining Luffy vs Akainu...

Akainu: hot magma fist
Luffy: ow ow ow its hot
Akainu: hotter magma kick
Luffy: ow ow ow its hotter

Suddenly Luffy sheds the magma off of his body and ignoring the damage

Akainu: magma doesnt work?
Luffy: because i'm free
Akainu: hottest magma fist
Luffy: ow ow ow its even hotter
Akainu: are you having fun Luffy
Luffy: yea yea yea

Luffy makes Akainu into pinball or bowling ball or something

Akainu: how can his powers affect me
Akainu: time for final clash
Luffy: freedom coc
Akainu: magma coc

Freedom coc bigger luffy wins

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Okie dokie time to be a sadboi due to how monotone, uncreative and filled with fake tension the fight is going to be...but Oda might want to do this after all

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Imagining Luffy vs Akainu...

Akainu: hot magma fist
Luffy: ow ow ow its hot
Akainu: hotter magma kick
Luffy: ow ow ow its hotter

Suddenly Luffy sheds the magma off of his body and ignoring the damage

Akainu: magma doesnt work?
Luffy: because i'm free
Akainu: hottest magma fist
Luffy: ow ow ow its even hotter
Akainu: are you having fun Luffy
Luffy: yea yea yea

Luffy makes Akainu into pinball or bowling ball or something

Akainu: how can his powers affect me
Akainu: time for final clash
Luffy: freedom coc
Akainu: magma coc

Freedom coc bigger luffy wins

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Okie dokie time to be a sadboi due to how monotone, uncreative and filled with fake tension the fight is going to be...but Oda might want to do this after all

This isn't even how it's going to go but nice headcanon Ig