Capitalism vs Communism

Doggo

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The blame part is irrelevant, but facts are that it's poor and underdeveloped, and it's definitely not a good example of "communism" or "health care".
It actually is. How do you expect to trade and develop your economy, no matter which system you apply, if most other countries are forbidden to do it with you? Cuba is not self sufficient. Even IF Cuba was "capitalist", it doesn't magically make it a bigger island with extra resources.
And as an example of "health care", yes, it is a good example. What you mean? That their health care sucks? It's not top notch, but it's not "lacking".
 
It actually is. How do you expect to trade and develop your economy, no matter which system you apply, if most other countries are forbidden to do it with you? Cuba is not self sufficient. Even IF Cuba was "capitalist", it doesn't magically make it a bigger island with extra resources.
And as an example of "health care", yes, it is a good example. What you mean? That their health care sucks? It's not top notch, but it's not "lacking".
No, it is not a good example. Have you been to Cuba?

Anyways, I live in a second world country with a similar health system. Health care for all. But the level is so bad, that by the time you get it, it's already too late. Waiting for appointments for months. God forbid if you need an operation.

Those who have money, pay to do it privately or somehow to corrupt their way into the system. Those who don't have money either just wait forever or give up totally.

This is not a good health care system.
 

Doggo

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No, it is not a good example. Have you been to Cuba?

Anyways, I live in a second world country with a similar health system. Health care for all. But the level is so bad, that by the time you get it, it's already too late. Waiting for appointments for months. God forbid if you need an operation.

Those who have money, pay to do it privately or somehow to corrupt their way into the system. Those who don't have money either just wait forever or give up totally.

This is not a good health care system.
Are you from Brazil?
Because if you aren't, I am, and that bolded part is part of the common sense around here, although there are a few perception errors about it.
But depending where you're from, I can't really talk about the system from where you live.
Btw, there's this AMAZING German program that I watched. Its format is that of a comedy sketch with a satirical approach of more serious issues. In one of them they talk about "neoliberalism", free market, etc. I only have it with portuguese subtitles, but would love to share if some here know german or are able to find some version of it with english subtitles.
 
Are you from Brazil?
Because if you aren't, I am, and that bolded part is part of the common sense around here, although there are a few perception errors about it.
But depending where you're from, I can't really talk about the system from where you live.
Btw, there's this AMAZING German program that I watched. Its format is that of a comedy sketch with a satirical approach of more serious issues. In one of them they talk about "neoliberalism", free market, etc. I only have it with portuguese subtitles, but would love to share if some here know german or are able to find some version of it with english subtitles.
:milaugh: I'm from Serbia.
 

Doggo

Welcome to the House of Hope
Anyway, for those who like "free market" I suggest this sketch right here.
It's very good, accessible and fun. (If you understand german or knows someone who does and can translate it to you).
The good stuff starts around the 10 minute mark iirc.

For those who understand portuguese, there's this version with subtitles of the important part.
If you know someone from Germany that can help finding the original video with english subtitles, don't hesitate to ask if they can help. I GUARANTEE that it is worth it to watch. It MIGHT, at the very least, make you question some things, which is never a bad thing. :)
 
All these capitalisms, communisms, socialisms, liberalisms have long been outdated models of the development of society and the economy. Their hybrids, clones, imitations and adaptation to the present time will also lead to nothing. Even if they come up with the perfect model, everything always depends on the human factor. There will always be a person who is greedy for power and wealth, who will ruin everything, because people will follow his example, because they are susceptible to temptation. As sad as it is, the only thing that remains is to wait for the appearance of a new human species, the next round of evolution after homo sapiens. Maybe.
 
All these capitalisms, communisms, socialisms, liberalisms have long been outdated models of the development of society and the economy. Their hybrids, clones, imitations and adaptation to the present time will also lead to nothing. Even if they come up with the perfect model, everything always depends on the human factor. There will always be a person who is greedy for power and wealth, who will ruin everything, because people will follow his example, because they are susceptible to temptation. As sad as it is, the only thing that remains is to wait for the appearance of a new human species, the next round of evolution after homo sapiens. Maybe.
Lol, you just create a system that is immune to greed, free market capitalism cancels out greed because you always have to give the best product or service if you don't want to be overtaken by the competition. With crony capitalism which is what US is doing, there will be corruption because government officials are making the game rigged in favor of those who pay them.

People just need to stop being stupid and realize government intervention of any sort is bad in the long term, unless someone is breaking laws, they should keep away from the markets.
 
lol
"free market capitalism is good and solve all problems, the only problem is that we dont have real capitalism in pratice" is the new "communism is good, the problem is that we dont have real communism" ahahahah🤣🤣🤣




There isnt capitalism without a state behind making sure the market conditions for the capitalist class are good, without the state who would protect the capitalists? Seems like some people forget that police and military to keep the poor under control and protect the capitalists is the main function of a modern state.

This ideia of a capitalist system where there's no state intervention is just a bullshit that 'Muricans politicians use to fool the common people since Reagan, and as anything in the US, have become a cult like mentality and people defend it like a religion.




I would prefer life in a socialist system, where at least we have acess to basic things, with less inequality and mass poverty, but eveytime here in Latin America we try this and elect a socialist in any election, the USA have to bring Democracy and Freedom and stage a coups against our governaments. Its crazy how some 'Muricans think theirs governament isn't the one that most intervene in the economy of all states, exactly to keep the capitalist system working. When them put sanctions in Venezuela and bleed the country is not because they hate autoritarians, is just to protect the capitalist owners of Chevron, Exxon, Texaco, etc. When they stage a coup in Bolivia is to get the control of Lithium in the hands of American companies like Tesla. When they invade the countries of Central America was to protect the US fruits industries profit. Ahen they keep saying shit about amazon deforestation is not because they care about enviroment protection, is just to make sure the resouces there aren't used by the countries to fuel development.


If u go all around the world u will see people who suffer because of a capitalist system imposed by US and its allies, this ideia that "cOmUnIsM KilLs hurr durr" seems to ignore the millions enslaved in Africa for profit of the market economies, or dozens of millions killed by the Britsh, French, Dutch and Belgian imperialism in Africa, Southeast Asia and the Raj. The genocide of Indigenous in the Americas and Oceania. The endless wars in the Middle East to fuel the military industry. The millions who still today live in poverty while some guys in Wall Steet have nearly infinite money, as a result of a capitalist system who have the inequality as its core. If u start to count the numbers u will see that many more have died, and still die, as a result of the capitalist system.


I find very hard to discuss this subject with Muricans and West europeans, as they have been the ones getting a good life at the expense of the rest of world, they seems to have a denial behavior, pehaps as a way to protect theirs minds from having to deal with the ideia that the system that make theirs lifes good fuck other people all over the world. Europeans pehaps not that much, as seems that the education system there's is good and make them have a little bit more critical thinking, at least in some countries like Germany, but the 'Muricans have been soo brainwashed by this thing of "capitalism good, communism bad" that is kind like talking with a religious fundamentalist. Think that what anyone in Latin America, Africa and Asia would like is just for us the be let alone to deal with own countries, without the USA saying how we should do, like if they have any objectives besides open space for theirs coorporations to make more money.
 
"True" capitalism can't exist because monopolies are too easy to form. People will almost always go for familiar brands and long established companies, making competition incredibly difficult and undermining the whole concept of a free market.

"True" communism is just as hard because a goverment or state can never perfectly and fairly represent all of it's people, so giving it power over all property and resources a surefire way to end up with corruption.
 
I personally see both systems have positives and negatives... and the negatives from both sides are the positives from the other system...

So, I personally feel they are both equally good, equally bad... one should combine both systems positives and call it "Commucapitalism"
 
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