Chapter Discussion Chap 1091: Great For Agendas

#1
With recent chapters fueling agendas, the trend continues with Chap 1091 which is a banger in my eyes (agenda wise).

Chap 1090 left off with Luffy looking scared and in 1091 we have Luffy greeting Kizaru with a kick and a smile. First thing is did Luffy use ACoC? Cannot be ascertained at the moment, there are no fodders around to confirm ACoC usage. But then ACoC usage for no named attacks is not something to freak out about. Kaido, Luffy, BM and Yamato have used quite a few of these no named ACoC attacks (even in base form). And ACoC has been used against relatively weak characters like Kinemon, Page1, Act1 Luffy etc. Moreover GB shrugged off an ACoC (Yamato) attack so every other Admiral (since GB is thought to be the weakest or Fuji) should be able to take a few of those without much problem. Kizaru is also getting some defense hype too in this chapter.

Kizaru and Lucci's showings against Sentomaru are another agenda fueling thing. Simply because Lucci achieved his mission of taking out the controller (Sent) in one attack while also having G5 Luffy in the vicinity (fighting him) whereas it took Kizaru quite a few attacks and even Sentomaru managed to land an attack on Kizaru. By these feats one could even argue that Lucci > Kizaru (but nobody not even the biggest Lucci fanboys @Veku I think believe that). Taking into account Lucci's own words this chapter he probably thinks that Kizaru is above him seeing as how he included Kizaru with him. Him reporting to Kizaru and not even making a move until Kizaru came up. He has such a big ego that he refuses to acknowledge Luffy as a Yonko.

The big one, Zoro and everything related to him becomes a big controversial topic at least here on WG. So much that the leakers did not even upload the page when full chapter raws were released. Lucci in base, Zoro using 2 swords. Clashing and then both bursting out of the building. From simple things like haki usage to sword sides, who was attacking and who was blocking are being debated. The bigger thing though is that it puts to rest one of the biggest debates surrounding haki usage. Mostly it was assumed that even without the clothes getting blackened the user was still using haki (Sanji vs Judge). Which led to the amount/strength of the haki being used (koka or whatever) invisible haki vs blackened haki. This chapter shows that clothes being coated in haki are a thing (maybe Lucci loves his pants). This begs the question then who else has shown this level of haki usage.

Seems bad but Sanji not getting a fight at the moment seems bad, Zoro having to fight Lucci seems bad (the guy did not manage to land a single attack on G5 Luffy iirc), Sanji resorting to bubble gun restraining an injured Kaku and not attacking Lucci. Luffy and Kizaru with the old pals greeting. At least Sanji has the benefit of the doubt when it comes to speculation that he ripped off S-Sharks arm (don't know if its confirmed). Tbh this would seem more like a Kaku or Zoro thing since limbs being cut off like that are mostly the result of sharp/slash attacks and not kicks. My bet would have been on Kaku since he is the one looking very injured himself and having to have fought 2 Seras and he was all right before going after Zoro.

All that being said I think the SHPs will prove why they are a Yonko crew. The doubters like Lucci and Kizaru will get a real awakening. When Kizaru gets beaten this arc idk how the Admiral fans will cope.

P.S Why the fuck do I have this ugly ass tag?
 
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#2
People never drop their Agenda regardless of what is shown
They don't even care about the Manga itself, and They don't see Characters as just Drawings to help follow a Story

They see Characters as a Fandom, and They see Fandoms as Ideas, and if their Ideas conflict with their own, then They are gonna start seeing them & whatever revolves around them in a way that disapproves those Ideas they Disagree with & pushes their own Agenda
(This literally applies to everything in Life, it's just Human Pride, the worst thing ever)

If your Ideas (Regardless if Popular or Unpopular) don't follow a Strict Accurate Criteria based on observable unquestionable Values given by Official Sources, then you're Biased & your Opinion cannot be taken seriously, it's equivalent of Hypocrisy

People need to provide their Rules that apply on every single Character which they believe demonstrate this Manga's True Power Level System, if unable to, then They just say whatever suits them, and the dozens of Threads from same Usual Suspects demonstrates this dumb method
 
#3
People never drop their Agenda regardless of what is shown
They don't even care about the Manga itself, and They don't see Characters as just Drawings to help follow a Story

They see Characters as a Fandom, and They see Fandoms as Ideas, and if their Ideas conflict with their own, then They are gonna start seeing them & whatever revolves around them in a way that disapproves those Ideas they Disagree with & pushes their own Agenda
(This literally applies to everything in Life, it's just Human Pride, the worst thing ever)

If your Ideas (Regardless if Popular or Unpopular) don't follow a Strict Accurate Criteria based on observable unquestionable Values given by Official Sources, then you're Biased & your Opinion cannot be taken seriously, it's equivalent of Hypocrisy

People need to provide their Rules that apply on every single Character which they believe demonstrate this Manga's True Power Level System, if unable to, then They just say whatever suits them, and the dozens of Threads from same Usual Suspects demonstrates this dumb method
Probably the most concise thing you’ve ever said Salah.
 
#4
People never drop their Agenda regardless of what is shown
They don't even care about the Manga itself, and They don't see Characters as just Drawings to help follow a Story

They see Characters as a Fandom, and They see Fandoms as Ideas, and if their Ideas conflict with their own, then They are gonna start seeing them & whatever revolves around them in a way that disapproves those Ideas they Disagree with & pushes their own Agenda
(This literally applies to everything in Life, it's just Human Pride, the worst thing ever)

If your Ideas (Regardless if Popular or Unpopular) don't follow a Strict Accurate Criteria based on observable unquestionable Values given by Official Sources, then you're Biased & your Opinion cannot be taken seriously, it's equivalent of Hypocrisy

People need to provide their Rules that apply on every single Character which they believe demonstrate this Manga's True Power Level System, if unable to, then They just say whatever suits them, and the dozens of Threads from same Usual Suspects demonstrates this dumb method
i only really do this if the writing conflicts with the pre-established logic
 
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Herrera95

#5
Kizaru and Lucci's showings against Sentomaru are another agenda fueling thing. Simply because Lucci achieved his mission of taking out the controller (Sent) in one attack while also having G5 Luffy in the vicinity (fighting him) whereas it took Kizaru quite a few attacks and even Sentomaru managed to land an attack on Kizaru. By these feats one could even argue that Lucci > Kizaru (but nobody not even the biggest Lucci fanboys @Veku I think believe that). Taking into account Lucci's own words this chapter he probably thinks that Kizaru is above him seeing as how he included Kizaru with him. Him reporting to Kizaru and not even making a move until Kizaru came up. He has such a big ego that he refuses to acknowledge Luffy as a Yonko.
The difference is that Sentomaru wasn't defeated after receiving Lucci's attack while Kizaru fully defeated him.

By the way where does Lucci says he doesn't acknowledge Luffy as a Yonko? I searched for it the other day and couldn't find.
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The big one, Zoro and everything related to him becomes a big controversial topic at least here on WG. So much that the leakers did not even upload the page when full chapter raws were released. Lucci in base, Zoro using 2 swords. Clashing and then both bursting out of the building. From simple things like haki usage to sword sides, who was attacking and who was blocking are being debated. The bigger thing though is that it puts to rest one of the biggest debates surrounding haki usage. Mostly it was assumed that even without the clothes getting blackened the user was still using haki (Sanji vs Judge). Which led to the amount/strength of the haki being used (koka or whatever) invisible haki vs blackened haki. This chapter shows that clothes being coated in haki are a thing (maybe Lucci loves his pants). This begs the question then who else has shown this level of haki usage.
Black haki is not a thing. Oda let clear with Rayleigh that haki is invisible. So making it black is just a representation.
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Seems bad but Sanji not getting a fight at the moment seems bad, Zoro having to fight Lucci seems bad (the guy did not manage to land a single attack on G5 Luffy iirc), Sanji resorting to bubble gun restraining an injured Kaku and not attacking Lucci. Luffy and Kizaru with the old pals greeting. At least Sanji has the benefit of the doubt when it comes to speculation that he ripped off S-Sharks arm (don't know if its confirmed). Tbh this would seem more like a Kaku or Zoro thing since limbs being cut off like that are mostly the result of sharp/slash attacks and not kicks. My bet would have been on Kaku since he is the one looking very injured himself and having to have fought 2 Seras and he was all right before going after Zoro.
I agree that ripped off arm seems more like a Kaku's work but I think Lucci would have brought that up when he was crying about being that much injured.

All that being said I think the SHPs will prove why they are a Yonko crew. The doubters like Lucci and Kizaru will get a real awakening. When Kizaru gets beaten this arc idk how the Admiral fans will cope.
Kizaru won't be defeated here.

P.S Why the fuck do I have this ugly ass tag?
I want my Mihawk tag back
 
#6
The difference is that Sentomaru wasn't defeated after receiving Lucci's attack while Kizaru fully defeated him.
:seriously:

By the way where does Lucci says he doesn't acknowledge Luffy as a Yonko? I searched for it the other day and couldn't find.
It was right after his fight with Luffy.

Black haki is not a thing. Oda let clear with Rayleigh that haki is invisible. So making it black is just a representation.
Black hardening is a thing since post-TS, both from "questionable canon" stuff (Black Arm Zephyr, designed by Oda) and canon stuff (Mihawk telling Zoro to blacken his blade).
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P.S Why the fuck do I have this ugly ass tag?
We got stuck with the worst Seraph too.
 
H

Herrera95

#8
He was still counscious talking and even lift up a hand to defend himself once more before Luffy saved him.

It was right after his fight with Luffy.
Show the panel.

Black hardening is a thing since post-TS, both from "questionable canon" stuff (Black Arm Zephyr, designed by Oda) and canon stuff (Mihawk telling Zoro to blacken his blade).
No. Haki is invisible as said by Rayleigh. Mihawk said that every weapon can turn into a black blade like his never that haki is black.


 
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Cruxroux

#9
With recent chapters fueling agendas, the trend continues with Chap 1091 which is a banger in my eyes (agenda wise).

Chap 1090 left off with Luffy looking scared and in 1091 we have Luffy greeting Kizaru with a kick and a smile. First thing is did Luffy use ACoC? Cannot be ascertained at the moment, there are no fodders around to confirm ACoC usage. But then ACoC usage for no named attacks is not something to freak out about. Kaido, Luffy, BM and Yamato have used quite a few of these no named ACoC attacks (even in base form). And ACoC has been used against relatively weak characters like Kinemon, Page1, Act1 Luffy etc. Moreover GB shrugged off an ACoC (Yamato) attack so every other Admiral (since GB is thought to be the weakest or Fuji) should be able to take a few of those without much problem. Kizaru is also getting some defense hype too in this chapter.

Kizaru and Lucci's showings against Sentomaru are another agenda fueling thing. Simply because Lucci achieved his mission of taking out the controller (Sent) in one attack while also having G5 Luffy in the vicinity (fighting him) whereas it took Kizaru quite a few attacks and even Sentomaru managed to land an attack on Kizaru. By these feats one could even argue that Lucci > Kizaru (but nobody not even the biggest Lucci fanboys @Veku I think believe that). Taking into account Lucci's own words this chapter he probably thinks that Kizaru is above him seeing as how he included Kizaru with him. Him reporting to Kizaru and not even making a move until Kizaru came up. He has such a big ego that he refuses to acknowledge Luffy as a Yonko.

The big one, Zoro and everything related to him becomes a big controversial topic at least here on WG. So much that the leakers did not even upload the page when full chapter raws were released. Lucci in base, Zoro using 2 swords. Clashing and then both bursting out of the building. From simple things like haki usage to sword sides, who was attacking and who was blocking are being debated. The bigger thing though is that it puts to rest one of the biggest debates surrounding haki usage. Mostly it was assumed that even without the clothes getting blackened the user was still using haki (Sanji vs Judge). Which led to the amount/strength of the haki being used (koka or whatever) invisible haki vs blackened haki. This chapter shows that clothes being coated in haki are a thing (maybe Lucci loves his pants). This begs the question then who else has shown this level of haki usage.

Seems bad but Sanji not getting a fight at the moment seems bad, Zoro having to fight Lucci seems bad (the guy did not manage to land a single attack on G5 Luffy iirc), Sanji resorting to bubble gun restraining an injured Kaku and not attacking Lucci. Luffy and Kizaru with the old pals greeting. At least Sanji has the benefit of the doubt when it comes to speculation that he ripped off S-Sharks arm (don't know if its confirmed). Tbh this would seem more like a Kaku or Zoro thing since limbs being cut off like that are mostly the result of sharp/slash attacks and not kicks. My bet would have been on Kaku since he is the one looking very injured himself and having to have fought 2 Seras and he was all right before going after Zoro.

All that being said I think the SHPs will prove why they are a Yonko crew. The doubters like Lucci and Kizaru will get a real awakening. When Kizaru gets beaten this arc idk how the Admiral fans will cope.

P.S Why the fuck do I have this ugly ass tag?
I didn't made any comment until Summary or raws were out.
I knew there would be people clowning out there.
 
#10
People never drop their Agenda regardless of what is shown
They don't even care about the Manga itself, and They don't see Characters as just Drawings to help follow a Story

They see Characters as a Fandom, and They see Fandoms as Ideas, and if their Ideas conflict with their own, then They are gonna start seeing them & whatever revolves around them in a way that disapproves those Ideas they Disagree with & pushes their own Agenda
(This literally applies to everything in Life, it's just Human Pride, the worst thing ever)

If your Ideas (Regardless if Popular or Unpopular) don't follow a Strict Accurate Criteria based on observable unquestionable Values given by Official Sources, then you're Biased & your Opinion cannot be taken seriously, it's equivalent of Hypocrisy

People need to provide their Rules that apply on every single Character which they believe demonstrate this Manga's True Power Level System, if unable to, then They just say whatever suits them, and the dozens of Threads from same Usual Suspects demonstrates this dumb method
 
#11
It’s kinda sad that most people seem to prefer the visuals when Haki wasn’t being visualized, and it’s even worse now with the inconsistent black lightning crap.
Blame it on Loda

It's massive execution failure from the author that the *most important haki of the very strongest* is barely distinguishable (if at all) from armament haki. People still debate on "gaps", lightning thickness, lightning shape, wiggle/divergence what not. It's utterly laughable.

Oh and........Advanced conqueror's haki is functionally just advanced armament, but stronger apparently lmao. Creative failure on top of execution failure.
 
#12
The difference on rob lucci and kizaru on Sentomaru.
‘Rob lucci aim to kill with strongest form , same guy clashed gear 5.
‘Kizaru want him to surrender, not to kill him . You can see nameless kicks from kizaru. Same kicks use on pre-timeskip supernovas . And we have flashback, not he is cold-killer without second thought.

Beside kizaru already told us he want to completed the mission with minimum damage .
 
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#13
The difference on rob lucci and kizaru on Sentomaru.
‘Rob lucci aim to kill with strongest form , same guy clashed gear 5.
‘Kizaru want him to surrender, not to kill him . You can see nameless kicks from kizaru. Same kicks use on pre-timeskip supernovas . And we have flashback, not he is cold-killer without second thought.

Beside kizaru already told us he want to completed the mission with minimum damage .
That was the point of the post, but when it comes to agendas people will overlook all these things.

I still don't know whether Zoro was attacking or blocking Lucci. Because the impact signs are on Lucci's leg so it would seem that he was blocking but people are also pointing out that Zoro is clashing with the flat side of the sword so why would Zoro do that if he was attacking.
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I didn't made any comment until Summary or raws were out.
I knew there would be people clowning out there.
I too have started to refrain myself from making most comments when the early leaks happen, you cannot trust these agenda leakers. Redon gets a lot of hate but his summaries are mostly agenda free (he does sometimes give some agenda vibes).
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It’s kinda sad that most people seem to prefer the visuals when Haki wasn’t being visualized, and it’s even worse now with the inconsistent black lightning crap.
But the visualization does make it seem more prominent at least. I mean haki is supposed to be invisible but nobody can deny that Oda hasn't used black coating to emphasize haki usage or strong haki usage. Even the aura/smoke/flames are used for this.
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We got stuck with the worst Seraph too.
Yeah, was it assigned randomly? The tags still look ugly though because the dimensions are wrong, the images seem stretched.
 
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#14
On kizaru get defeated by luffy in case it happen.
People are seeing kizaru as katakuri 2.0 if kizaru and luffy have mirror world version where they can go all out.

Kaido is doflimingo style. But we know katakuri is stronger than doflimingo . So kizaru can be stronger than kaido even he lose to luffy .

Kizaru blocking luffy advanced coc without haki which same base luffy clash equally hybrid kaido with club .
People are turning root beer on admiral action for some reason. You can see coc lighting from luffy feet .
Heck it is not even clash .

There is no black lighting on rob lucci blocking and zoro clashing .

In better example, which one is more impressive
A guy block a kick with arm or a guy block a kick with bat, club, shield ?

Another thing if kizaru/Saturn get defeat , how world government get SSG robots , luffy and his friends will take away which it mean Gorosei lose their valuable weapon.
 
#15
The difference is that Sentomaru wasn't defeated after receiving Lucci's attack while Kizaru fully defeated him.

By the way where does Lucci says he doesn't acknowledge Luffy as a Yonko? I searched for it the other day and couldn't find.
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Black haki is not a thing. Oda let clear with Rayleigh that haki is invisible. So making it black is just a representation.
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I agree that ripped off arm seems more like a Kaku's work but I think Lucci would have brought that up when he was crying about being that much injured.


Kizaru won't be defeated here.


I want my Mihawk tag back
Bro I know you love Kizaru to the point you believe he can solo the other Admirals.


Maybe, tbh idk if the arm ripped off this even confirmed.

Kizaru is losing here most likely, Shanks vs Kid happened, Kid lost. BB vs Law happened, Law lost. Luffy vs Kizaru will happen and Kizaru will lose to solidify Luffy's Yonko status. This is the exact moment that SHPs realized they were not ready for the NW. SHPs losing now would mean that the whole TS was for nothing.
 
#16
That was the point of the post, but when it comes to agendas people will overlook all these things.

I still don't know whether Zoro was attacking or blocking Lucci. Because the impact signs are on Lucci's leg so it would seem that he was blocking but people are also pointing out that Zoro is clashing with the flat side of the sword so why would Zoro do that if he was attacking.
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That is in case of drawing issue for oda.

It may seem like cope but how you would think oda to draw sword with haki showing on sharp edge. Sharp edge are very thin and can be hard to draw let alone try to draw haki sword without messing up.
 
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#19
All that being said I think the SHPs will prove why they are a Yonko crew. The doubters like Lucci and Kizaru will get a real awakening. When Kizaru gets beaten this arc idk how the Admiral fans will cope.
What is to cope with Kizaru being beaten?
Luffy has just beaten the strongest Emperor and strongest creature period lol.

The only thing Kizaru has to do is to prove he can give him a high or even extremely diff fight, and that would be a gigantic W for the ones who have always said that Admirals and Emperor were more or less on the same level, bar exceptions.
 
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