Speculations Chapter 1022+ Predictions + ZKK Is Dead?

[The White Crane]

Let me play the devil's advocate here, The thing is most of us can agree that Zoro has been the highlight of the rooftop battle vs Kaido and big mom, I'd say more so than Luffy. If ZKK were to happen then Zoro will be getting one more feather in his cap alongside
-his feats against Kaido with supernovas,
-blocking hakai
-His win against King
-saving Luffy multiple times

When you compare above with Luffy's feats, Luffy's seem to be lackluster. Luffy has been taking L upon L. His only highlight will be low diff fight with Jack, sharing his last fight against Kaido with Zoro and finally Zoro killing his opponent instead of him(despite him proclaiming he will be the one who will defeat Kaido again and again).

Now, if we take all these points into consideration, All which is left do you think Oda is willing to make Zoro shine more than Luffy against Kaido. The same opponent who has been in Luffy's mind from Zou.

Luffy has not shown much interest in big mom, atleast for now.
On the other hand he has been proclaiming again and again about defeating Kaido. narratively don't make sense to me. Especially if he were to actually defeat Kaido by his own hands (as he mentioned in punk hazard and Dressrosa), he would be half dead from his battle with Kaido, considering he still hasn't mastered adv coc and haki control, I don't think he would have any strength left for big mom.
But I do think olin's amnesia maybe a factor which will come into play later in the arc.

Wait, I want to address your legit concern of Luffy having no strength left for Big Mom after he is done with Kaido.

Is that not what the Zoan elixir is for? It is unlikely for Luffy to be as injured as post-Hakai Zoro, that means the elixir should patch him up real quick for Luffy to deal with Big Mom.

Besides, I think Kidd and Law will at least land a decisive hit on Linlin the way Zoro did on Kaido, which is significant enough to take a toll on them so Luffy can defeat them afterwards.

Nope. Luffy will do better actually. Luffy will defeat Jack, play a massive role in the defeat of Kaido. And then he will join in the take down of Big Mom on Wano country. She still exists. Kid and Law will wear her down significantly. Luffy will come and beat her ass in a 1v1 in Act 4.

He should Permanent OLin her just like he did to Don Chinjao. This way the Samurai will get to have their Banquet. And Luffy will have defeated 2 Yonkos in one Mega Super Saga instead of One.

Also to add, Yamato, Brook, Usopp, Chopper need to get 1v1s which would be against the Big Mom pirates that are still floating about. How that will happen idk. Maybe Smoothie vs Yamato, Brook vs MontDor, and Usopp vs Flampe

Holy shit, I never thought Big Mom Pirates could be used that way. That is wicked, mate! :cheers:

Assuming Yamato, Brook, Chopper, and Usopp will have their turn against a Yonko crew, I can see them dealing with Smoothie, Compote, Daifuku, and MontDor respectively with all the currently imprisoned Samurais in Wano being freed and holding off Flampe and the rest.

Dawn is around 4:30-5am, so Kaido is diying around that time before sunrise over new Wano kuni

1. The raid started around 5/7pm
2. Full moon is at its highest around 9pm so the 9RS fought Kaido around that time
3. Spirits are stronger at around 12am, so currently it should be around 11:30-11:45, Onigashima will land on Flower Capital at 12
4. Kaido will have to die around 4:30 - 5am since thats the time of "the new dawn"

This is actually a good hint. Assuming Kaido gets taken out (initially) within the next hour, then dealing with Big Mom and her crew while we wait for dawn so Dragon Kaido can come back and pull an Ultron to unlock Mission ZKK is very possible.

Even the Marines avoided challenging 2 Yonko crews in MF. The SHs doing in 2 Yonko crews consecutively in Wano is otherworldly in every sense. Very much a feat only the PK crew could do.

 

[uyuu]

It is so bad
No matter how anyone tries to justify it
It is the stupidest W that has Zero logic in it

that shit is worse than worst fairy tail arc fight…
Go look for your worst most hated anime you have, look for the worst fight there… and this one will be worse

that’s how bad it is

Actually i thought OP is beginning to go to that level since Luffy, the most straight-forward fighter ever, gained Future Sight to finally beat Katakuri in a prolonged and exhausted panels of battle...only for the FS to be trashed by Kaidou's speed lol. Luffy also get every destiny and lineage-powers imaginable..its already stupid even before him winning against Kaidou lol

But yea i kinda agree there's very little chance that Oda does ZKK, mainly since it will overshadow Luffy's accomplishment and Oda doesn't do that especially with PK title as the stake of Luffy v Kaidou.

 

[Blother Fertitta]

Nah, Zoro killing Kaido in a tag team with Luffy after the latter got beaten by him like 3 times really isn't a W for him. Giving BM amnesia is far from a big W too. None of the feats you presented for Luffy are a big W for him. I would argue that even Sanji as a whole will have a better presentation according to his capacity and character than Luffy if it goes by the scenario you presented. It ain't defeating 2 yonkos, it's getting cucked hard.

Luffy will have a 1v1 against Kaido and will KO him at some point, even if it's a weakened Kaido.

Ahh hell nah gtfo with that. Low diffing Jack a huge threat, Participating in defeat of Kaido, active defeat of Big Mom, taking over Wano, Earning the third Road Poneglyph, Acquiring stronger crew mates, Ancient Weapon, are all bat shit crazy feats ppl would beg for. Luffys boutta get it ALLLLLLLLL this arc bro

You underrating him heavyy

 

[Kromage911]

Low diffing Jack a huge threat,

Low diff or not, defeating Jack ain't even near to being a big W for a character like Luffy. He ain't Sanji or Jinbei. It'll just be there to show his growth.

Participating in defeat of Kaido

Participation? Getting washed by Kaido 3 times in a row and your RHM killing him in the 4th one along with tag teaming with you and defeating his strongest man too? I would rather not participate in a fight if this is what I'm getting into.

active defeat of Big Mom

Defeating BM by giving her amnesia? Really? I won't even wish this on Kidd, whom I don't even like, lol. Who even cares about Meme at this point tbh? Kidd can have her for all I care. She lost me when she got judo rolled by Robin, strong af or not.

taking over Wano, Earning the third Road Poneglyph, Acquiring stronger crew mates, Ancient Weapon,

I'm talking about his active feats, not things he'll get through being the captain in a war which he wasn't even the MVP of. These are fucking obvious, lol. I want him to make make Kaido feel the pain himself which the latter made Luffy feel in Round 1.

Zoro- Defeats Kaido and King
Luffy- Helps defeating Kaido, makes BM lose her memories and defeats Jack

No, just no.

 

[Blother Fertitta]

Low diff or not, defeating Jack ain't even near to being a big W for a character like Luffy. He ain't Sanji or Jinbei. It'll just be there to show his growth.


Participation? Getting washed by Kaido 3 times in a row and your RHM killing him in the 4th one along with tag teaming with you and defeating his strongest man too? I would rather not participate in a fight if this is what I'm getting into.


Defeating BM by giving her amnesia? Really? I won't even wish this on Kidd, whom I don't even like, lol. Who even cares about Meme at this point tbh? Kidd can have her for all I care. She lost me when she got judo rolled by Robin, strong af or not.


I'm talking about his active feats, not things he'll get through being the captain in a war which he wasn't even the MVP of. These are fucking obvious, lol. I want him to make make Kaido feel the pain himself which the latter made Luffy feel in Round 1.

Zoro- Defeats Kaido and King
Luffy- Helps defeating Kaido, makes BM lose her memories and defeats Jack

No, just no.

You’d have to be a Zoro fan to understand. But he’s the combatant of the crew so it makes sense for him to keep fighting. Luffy always deals with threats the crew can’t. Stop downplaying Meme, she’s still a Yoncuck

 

[uyuu]

You’d have to be a Zoro fan to understand. But he’s the combatant of the crew so it makes sense for him to keep fighting. Luffy always deals with threats the crew can’t. Stop downplaying Meme, she’s still a Yoncuck

Yea it makes sense for Zoro to keep fighting while he can, but if you compared it with Dressrosa, Arabasta, Skypiea, Water 7 or other major heavily oriented in battle, especially with Kaidou wanting to be PK and also with Zoro experiencing how it was like to face Kaidou in fight...and then rooting for Luffy as the one deserving to fight Kaidou afterwards instead of himself, it kinda doesn't. It does make sense for Zoro to fight as a help to Kidd and Law topple BM instead (swordsman vs swordsman), or try to cut the falling Onigashima instead.

The main points have been pointed out by @Kromage911 though, i have nothing to add to these precise points.

Low diff or not, defeating Jack ain't even near to being a big W for a character like Luffy. He ain't Sanji or Jinbei. It'll just be there to show his growth.


Participation? Getting washed by Kaido 3 times in a row and your RHM killing him in the 4th one along with tag teaming with you and defeating his strongest man too? I would rather not participate in a fight if this is what I'm getting into.


Defeating BM by giving her amnesia? Really? I won't even wish this on Kidd, whom I don't even like, lol. Who even cares about Meme at this point tbh? Kidd can have her for all I care. She lost me when she got judo rolled by Robin, strong af or not.


I'm talking about his active feats, not things he'll get through being the captain in a war which he wasn't even the MVP of. These are fucking obvious, lol. I want him to make make Kaido feel the pain himself which the latter made Luffy feel in Round 1.

Zoro- Defeats Kaido and King
Luffy- Helps defeating Kaido, makes BM lose her memories and defeats Jack

No, just no.

 

[Kromage911]

You’d have to be a Zoro fan to understand.

But I already am tho.

But he’s the combatant of the crew so it makes sense for him to keep fighting.

Always had been. But has he ever outshone Luffy in any major arc? Other than TB maybe. Which btw, is considered one of the only few bad major arcs Pre-TS.

Stop downplaying Meme, she’s still a Yoncuck

She ain't even Top 7 for me tbh. Kaido, Akainu, Mihawk, Shanks, Dragon, Kizaru and Aokiji are above her for me. Maybe BB too. Also, giving her amnesia isn't even a straight win, lol. It's shitty and basically cucking Luffy.

 

[Blother Fertitta]

But I already am tho.


Always had been. But has he ever outshone Luffy in any major arc? Other than TB maybe. Which btw, is considered one of the only few bad major arcs Pre-TS.


She ain't even Top 7 for me tbh. Kaido, Akainu, Mihawk, Shanks, Dragon, Kizaru and Aokiji are above her for me. Maybe BB too. Also, giving her amnesia isn't even a straight win, lol. It's shitty and basically cucking Luffy.

When it comes down to it, this is Zoro’s arc like wci was sanjis. Sanjis arc he knocked out meme. Zoro arc he kills Kaido. Luffy arc he defeats BB and becomes Pirate King

 

[Kromage911]

When it comes down to it, this is Zoro’s arc like wci was sanjis. Sanjis arc he knocked out meme. Zoro arc he kills Kaido. Luffy arc he defeats BB and becomes Pirate King

WCI and Wano are 2 totally different cases. Wano being Zoro's arc is just BS that has been spread throughout the years. Yeah, he's the main focus after Luffy but first and foremost, this is the arc where Luffy is going up against the Yonkos, seeing how he measures upto them, and defeating them.

Luffy got a moment like this in the 1000th chapter, not Zoro:

Spoiler

If it were to be Zoro here in place of Luffy, I would've been in the first seat of the ZKK train Day 1. Hell, if Zoro had that first round with Kaido and not Luffy, I would do the same. There is reason why I only consider ZKK a serious possibility and not a compulsory event like many others.

 

[Blother Fertitta]

WCI and Wano are 2 totally different cases. Wano being Zoro's arc is just BS that has been spread throughout the years. Yeah, he's the main focus after Luffy but first and foremost, this is the arc where Luffy is going up against the Yonkos, seeing how he measures upto them, and defeating them.

Luffy got a moment like this in the 1000th chapter, not Zoro:

Spoiler

If it were to be Zoro here in place of Luffy, I would've been in the first seat of the ZKK train Day 1. Hell, if Zoro had that first round with Kaido and not Luffy, I would do the same. There is reason why I only consider ZKK a serious possibility and not a compulsory event like many others.

Sanji: specializes in CoO
Katakuri: Master of CoO
Luffy: I get to fight him LOL

Zoro: Strong Swordsman
Big Mom: Yonko Swordsman
Luffy: She here to fight me LMAO

Luffy steals fights just as much as Zoro does. In WCI Luffy had more focus than Sanji. Sanji was the second most important character, the plot moved as he did.

Zoro was highlighted to be thrown onto the roof by Marco, and stood alongside the Top Leaders of Next Gen

 

[M944]

Yeah, the point is, not every single enemy that Luffy defeats stays unconcious till the end of the arc, especially this enemy wh’s known for his insane regeneration and endurance.

Maybe but none of them gets back and goes into a rampage. That's not being defeated.
Which is exactly the scenario of ZKK

 

[zzShinichi]

Maybe but none of them gets back and goes into a rampage. That's not being defeated.
Which is exactly the scenario of ZKK

Why the hell not. Why are people so obsessed with "oh my god it never happened before so it won't happen again". This is a Yonkou, the strongest man in the world, the man who possesses one of the strongest Zoan fruits of all time, which is known for its insane regenerative ability. Do you really expect this man to just lay down till the rest of the arc after being punched by Luffy?
Also bruh many people counts Akainu as being defeated by Whitebeard, even though he came right back up and went on a rampage ealier. But when it comes to Kaidou, no no, you stay down.
Oh and Monet. I doubt many people remember but It was Tashigi who put her down for good, but most people still counts it as Zoro's victory. Why can't the same happen to Kaidou?

 

[M944]

Giving BM an amnesia isn't a feat. Queen reverted her memories back
King did
All of them are far from Luffy
Beating an already weakened Jack even in one Punch is shit for Luffy
Jack fought an army of Minks
Got Low diffed by Sulong Minks and will fight Inu
Those are shitty feats
Luffy will defeat Kaido plain and simple
People believe in "hints" but not in Luffy's words
Do you doubt he will be PK ?
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Why the hell not. Why are people so obsessed with "oh my god it never happened before so it won't happen again". This is a Yonkou, the strongest man in the world, the man who possesses one of the strongest Zoan fruits of all time, which is known for its insane regenerative ability. Do you really expect this man to just lay down till the rest of the arc after being punched by Luffy?
Also bruh many people counts Akainu as being defeated by Whitebeard, even though he came right back up and went on a rampage ealier. But when it comes to Kaidou, no no, you stay down.
Oh and Monet. I doubt many people remember but It was Tashigi who put her down for good, but most people still counts it as Zoro's victory. Why can't the same happen to Kaidou?

Akainu when he screamed Like a bitch damnit WB accepted his defeat
And by the time he came back WB was dead
If he came back earlier it will just be a an other L
Because Oda follows the same pattern again and again
Why everyone knew Zoro will fight King because it always happen

Yeah that's how Luffy will defeat him
Kaido is known for all those stuffs if Luffy don't break this it's not a Win
Will he layed on the ground ?
Yes like everyone before him

When Kaido will goe on rampage will Luffy be able to fight him ?
If no it's not comparable
If yes what's the point for Zoro to take Luffy's place ?

 

[Kromage911]

Sanji: specializes in CoO
Katakuri: Master of CoO
Luffy: I get to fight him LOL

Zoro: Strong Swordsman
Big Mom: Yonko Swordsman
Luffy: She here to fight me LMAO

Luffy steals fights just as much as Zoro does. In WCI Luffy had more focus than Sanji. Sanji was the second most important character, the plot moved as he did.

Zoro was highlighted to be thrown onto the roof by Marco, and stood alongside the Top Leaders of Next Gen

- Sanji vs Katakuri was delusional.
- Zoro already has a top tier swordsman opponent with the name of Mihawk. He has no reason to fight BM. And Luffy hasn't even fought her yet.

Yeah, Zoro was highlighted as a member of the new generation and stood among them. And after that, did you miss entirely Luffy's legendary entry which I mentioned above as the True boss among the new generation itself?

You've turned into a full-on delusional Zoro stan and totally ignoring what Luffy really needs at this. And it ain't giving BM amnesia.

 

[Blother Fertitta]

- Sanji vs Katakuri was delusional.
- Zoro already has a top tier swordsman opponent with the name of Mihawk. He has no reason to fight BM. And Luffy hasn't even fought her yet.

Yeah, Zoro was highlighted as a member of the new generation and stood among them. And after that, did you miss entirely Luffy's legendary entry which I mentioned above as the True boss among the new generation itself?

You've turned into a full-on delusional Zoro stan and totally ignoring what Luffy really needs at this. And it ain't giving BM amnesia.

I mean Luffy will be the Pirate King.

Your only realizing I’m a Zoro tard now?

Delusional?? I predicted 90% of the plot this raid, if I’m delusional then I guess so are the writers of this story.

 

[Finalbeta]

What's the rationale some users rely on to infer that ZKK is dead? It's so insane I tend to vomit so I don't pin so much attention.

 

[Kromage911]

I mean Luffy will be the Pirate King.

I mean Zoro will be the WSS.

Zoro ain't overshadowing Luffy in Wano. He is the one who had the first 1v1 with Kaido in Wano. He's the one who'll have the last. Zoro can kill him after that.

 

[Blother Fertitta]

I mean Zoro will be the WSS.

Zoro ain't overshadowing Luffy in Wano. He is the one who had the first 1v1 with Kaido in Wano. He's the one who'll have the last. Zoro can kill him after that.

That’s literally what’s gonna happen. Lmao

 

[Kromage911]

That’s literally what’s gonna happen. Lmao

What I'm saying is that tag team won't happen along with ZKK when Zoro will already have a massive W in the form of King. King >> Jack by portrayal.

 

[mrtsrdr]

What's the rationale some users rely on to infer that ZKK is dead? It's so insane I tend to vomit so I don't pin so much attention.

some people can look or read as a objective or non-bias . that is all.
Producing thousands of theories, taking sentences from a few panels and ignoring other panels that say otherwise is not what everyone does.