Speculations Chopper's Opponent May Actually Be Drake

#22
Oh ok. I forgot Onis make people evil. Ok yh so.....no.

The page which has similarities with other Tobi Robbi DFs isnt actually relevant. Since they are people who are loyal to the Beast Pirates. Whilst in your theory Drake becomes bad because of the virus. He wouldnt be on anyones side then. I also think it's pointless for Chopper to defeat his own ally as his moment for the arc. They're already outnumbered. Why defeat someone on your side. Dont know if Oda would want to do that.

I dont see it happening.
You are missing the point. Its not about Drake being "bad", its about curing him if he's mindless. Let's see what happens, if Drake gets infected, then its up to Chopper to stop and cure him, would that be accurate enough to say?

I just think its thematically in line with with what is happening with the virus plotline, or else its just a pointless plotline to sideline Chopper to do something. For Chopper to cure his actual opponent is an angle not seen yet for the character. Plus it still allows the Flying Six to unofficially still be the Flying "Six"
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it’s not happening. Where do you guys even get these theories?
Guaranteed you didn't even read the OP if you are saying this. I specifically make connections to address where I "got" this theory.
 
#23
You are missing the point. Its not about Drake being "bad", its about curing him if he's mindless. Let's see what happens, if Drake gets infected, then its up to Chopper to stop and cure him, would that be accurate enough to say?

I just think its thematically in line with with what is happening with the virus plotline, or else its just a pointless plotline to sideline Chopper to do something. For Chopper to cure his actual opponent is an angle not seen yet for the character. Plus it still allows the Flying Six to unofficially still be the Flying "Six"
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Guaranteed you didn't even read the OP if you are saying this. I specifically make connections to address where I "got" this theory.
Your taking out two alliance fighters for a plot that can be done after the fights.
 
#24
You are missing the point. Its not about Drake being "bad", its about curing him if he's mindless. Let's see what happens, if Drake gets infected, then its up to Chopper to stop and cure him, would that be accurate enough to say?

I just think its thematically in line with with what is happening with the virus plotline, or else its just a pointless plotline to sideline Chopper to do something. For Chopper to cure his actual opponent is an angle not seen yet for the character. Plus it still allows the Flying Six to unofficially still be the Flying "Six"
The Virus Plotline is to keep Chopper there, so his actual opponent comes. Like how the Sanji/BM plotline was to set-up Robin vs BM. Most of these plotlines are irrelvant, aside for setting up the opponents. You're expecting too much.
 
#25
Your taking out two alliance fighters for a plot that can be done after the fights.
? No idea what you are trying to say. "Alliance" fighters for what? Chopper and Drake are doing nothing right now save for being tied to the performance floor/virus plotline. This is what they are being relegated to at the moment.

This all comes down to who you "want" Drake to fight, that's all this is too. It gives Chopper some relevancy, considering he's a far more important character than Drake
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The Virus Plotline is to keep Chopper there, so his actual opponent comes. Like how the Sanji/BM plotline was to set-up Robin vs BM. Most of these plotlines are irrelvant, aside for setting up the opponents. You're expecting too much.
My guy im literally giving you plot setup for a potential matchup, that's literally the same thing you are insinuating lol. Drake can be an opponent if he's tied to the Virus plotline, and its entirely in lieu with Choppers role this arc so far.


Smh, expecting "too much". Its apparently more realistic to assume someone else is going to run into Chopper than Drake being infected by a virus central to the conflict, where both Chopper and Drake are anyway.
 
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#26
But Nami and Usopp can defeat pirates of a similar caliber? Because at this point that is what is seemingly happening with Ulti and Page1

Supernova is all but a name. Pirates who were literally over 100 million at the time they arrived at Sabaody. Blackbeard is not a Supernova, yet part of the WG and a Yonko. I think its time we stop putting the title on a pedestal, especially when you compare the fact that some Supernova are not nearly on the same level as others.

And if you read the OP, I explain that Drake probably wouldn't be all there to fight consciously. Choppers job would be more to subdue him enough to save him, rather than defeat him. All it is, is an idea because its virtually the only "beast pirate" he's around currently.
Supernova isn't a title Oda created just for the hell of it, it's supposed to have a meaning. They were all over 100 million for a reason, that's in no small part due to their strength and we saw what they could do in Sabaody, they're no pushovers. They're the frontrunners of the new pirate era for a reason. Blackbeard isn't a Supernova but he's part of the Worst Gen, which is just the 11 SN + BB so it makes no difference. Somebody like Chopper is nothing compared to them, at least not at this point of the story.

Ulti and Page One are comparable to SN ? Based on what ? Drake being a Tobi Roppo doesn't mean anything, as he joined the crew only 2 years ago and isn't interested in becoming an All Star anyway.

I know you said Drake would be nerfed because of the disease but there's no indication of the disease affecting character's strength negatively. It might even make them stronger.
 
#27
Supernova isn't a title Oda created just for the hell of it, it's supposed to have a meaning. They were all over 100 million for a reason, that's in no small part due to their strength and we saw what they could do in Shabondy, they're no pushovers. They're the frontrunners of the new pirate era for a reason. Blackbeard isn't a Supernova but he's part of the Wors Gen, which is just the 11 SN + BB so it makes no difference. Somebody like Chopper is nothing compared to them, at least not at this point of the story.

Ulti and Page One are comparable to SN ? Based on what ? Drake being a Tobi Roppo doesn't mean anything, as he joined the crew only 2 years ago and isn't interested in becoming an All Star anyway.

I know you said Drake would be nerfed because of the disease but there's no indication of the disease affecting character's strength negatively. It might even makes them stronger.
What i bolded parts are the exact problem i was specifying.

1. Chopper is not weak. Hes literally fought against enemies stronger or on par with Franky's opponents at Enies Lobby and Fishman Island. Yes, Oda has unfortunately shafted the character for "plot", but he is not nearly as weak as people here insinuate.

2. Hawkins is a Supernova, yet is not considered a Tobi Roppo. So apparently Ulti/P1 can't be compared to the SN even though they are 2 of the "Six Strongest Headliners"? I'm pretty sure Nami and Usopp are breaking this headcanon right now.

3. Supernova is a term Oda hasn't used in years, so im not sure how "important" the word actually is.

4. When exactly are they supposed to get stronger? We are nearing the end of the series and fighting a Yonko crew. If Chopper can't surpass a Tobi Roppo member, how are we supposed to believe he will fight a Blackbeard captain relatively in the near future?

5. Again, if Nami and Usopp are doing it, why can't Chopper?
 
#29
It seems quite crazy, but if Nami and Usopp does end up beating the two siblings (Nami finishing Ulti seems extremely likely), anyting can happen.
Thanks for having an open mind, its a rare sight on this forum lol.

I'm totally open to disagreements, but telling me "its not happening" or "it can't happen", especially when I've provided potential supporting evidence in the OP, is a ridiculous thought process I can't get around.
 
#35
Yeah, highly doubt it. That'd just be random as Hell. Hawkins could serve as Chopper's fight without the coercion.
Confused. Drake turning into an Oni and Chopper curing him is "random" (considering he's fighting and protecting Chopper right now from Kaido's army and those infected) but Hawkins appearing out of nowhere and fighting Chopper isn't?
 

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#36
Confused. Drake turning into an Oni and Chopper curing him is "random" (considering he's fighting and protecting Chopper right now, who's making the vaccine) but Hawkins appearing out of nowhere and fighting Chopper isn't?
It's still random but more plausible. Hawkins is MIA and is at least an enemy. Drake being Ice Oni'd would be garbage
 
#39
What i bolded parts are the exact problem i was specifying.

1. Chopper is not weak. Hes literally fought against enemies stronger or on par with Franky's opponents at Enies Lobby and Fishman Island. Yes, Oda has unfortunately shafted the character for "plot", but he is not nearly as weak as people here insinuate.

2. Hawkins is a Supernova, yet is not considered a Tobi Roppo. So apparently Ulti/P1 can't be compared to the SN even though they are 2 of the "Six Strongest Headliners"? I'm pretty sure Nami and Usopp are breaking this headcanon right now.

3. Supernova is a term Oda hasn't used in years, so im not sure how "important" the word actually is.

4. When exactly are they supposed to get stronger? We are nearing the end of the series and fighting a Yonko crew. If Chopper can't surpass a Tobi Roppo member, how are we supposed to believe he will fight a Blackbeard captain relatively in the near future?

5. Again, if Nami and Usopp are doing it, why can't Chopper?
Saying there's no solid basis for claiming Ulti and Page are comparable to SN isn't headcanon, it's factual. Hawkins joined Kaido's literally a couple of weeks ago, how is he supposed to climb up the ranks so fast ? Even Apoo isn't a Tobi Roppo yet it doesn't look like he's an easy target for Drake.

Who said the weak trio won't get stronger in this arc ? I'm saying they're much weaker than the SN. it's not even sure the mid trio can take on the likes of Capone, Killer and Bonney.
 
#40
Oh no it's still random. There's no set up for Drake vs Chopper at all. I just also happen to hate it.
If you read my post, its not about "set up" for a typical vs. fight. Its about the fact that the Oni virus plotline has been going on for 10+ chapters and Drake and Chopper are at the center of it. Chopper's sole focus right now is making the virus and curing people. The whole of point of this was the potential of using Chopper as a Doctor in a fight.

Hawkins vs. Chopper is actually random, because Hawkins virtually has nothing to do with Chopper right now, unlike Drake. Plus, Hawkins is likely on the good side anyway with an ulterior motive. Law spared his life for a reason.

Oh well, thats fundamentally your opinion so theres nothing else I can say.
 
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