General & Others Cliché is good

#23
I'm defending the punch as a classic epic defeat. The problem was Oda statement about the punch.

There is literally no setup for Luffy toon power.

I didn't understand the meaning of your comment. I'm defending cliché, defeating Kaido with a stronger punch. I'm not going to defend G5 because it doesn't make any sense. But a new gear/transformation because it was expected it is perfectly fine.

No only that but Oda is known by mixing mythology in One Piece. Everybody expected Tiger vs Dragon mythology to be used at any point. If not by Zoro than by Luffy new G4 transformation. Or even G5 but not ridiculous like this.
Luffy does not have Toon power. All the "rubber hose animation" people need to re-read early One Piece. Those effects have been there since Day 1.

Gear 5 adds: - Moar Strength,a Nika transformation, stamina boost and more flexibility in how he uses his body -- with standard rubber awakening.

What people don't get is not that he has god powers. It's that you thought he had the Spider-Spider fruit and not the Human Human fruit, model Peter Parker, to use an analogy. It doesn't mean he's a god. It just means that he has a few extra things you wouldn't have noticed.
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#24
Luffy was winning as soon as he unlocked Gear 5. The punch was just how he ended the fight. That's not what I'm describing at all
No he wasn't.

Luffy made some goofy movements on Kaido but Kaido made it clear that DF are irrelevants and Haki is what determines your strength. He even quoted Roger for not being a DF user and being a legend only because of his haki strength.

Kaido was winning his haki overcomed Luffy G5. Even at final clash Kaido was winning until the very end, when he started to talk to Luffy and his plot armor kicked in.
 
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Luffy does not have Toon power. All the "rubber hose animation" people need to re-read early One Piece. Those effects have been there since Day 1.

Gear 5 adds: - Moar Strength,a Nika transformation, stamina boost and more flexibility in how he uses his body -- with standard rubber awakening.

What people don't get is not that he has god powers. It's that you thought he had the Spider-Spider fruit and not the Human Human fruit, model Peter Parker, to use an analogy. It doesn't mean he's a god. It just means that he has a few extra things you wouldn't have noticed.
Nope, Luffy has toon power. Re-read the fight. It is clear how he changes after awakening. And even in base form now at 1053 when Kid try to attack him.

G5 also revived him. He died after Kaido hit him in his G4 for the last time.

He has a DF of a God. Sun God Nika. He isn't God himself but the DF has the power of a God. And that power is the toon force.
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you have only yourself to blame when you understand that Luffy will win with something other than a punch. it is a misunderstanding what Oda meant more like not a normal physical punch, more he gave Luffy ACoA and ACoC he used them to make his Punch stronger and so it is not the same physical punch anymore.
if Oda said that Zoro will not just win because of Strong Slash what do you expect him to do? so he should not use a slash to win?
It is like you people because of some hint here and there that you believed that Zoro is gonna back to the roof , and that Zoro is gonna be the one who kill Kaido and the whole ZKK debates.
Glad you meantioned Zoro.

The perfect example.

Zoro did not won over King because he slash became stronger with ACoC. But because he learned King tricky about Flame On/Off mode.
Something like that about Kaido would fit Oda statement.

ACoA(internal damage) was already fitting Oda statement. ACoA is not punching harder but internally. So that was the tricky to beat Kaido. But not, that wasn't enough. Internally was actually shallow. Then we have ACoC that is not even touching but we have to believe it is doing even more damage than before. And still isn't enough... And then we have G5 that is making goofy/unrealistic attacks with toon force and still isn't enough since Luffy needed 2 activations of it and ended with a normal Elephant Gung with ACoC.
 
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Nope, Luffy has toon power. Re-read the fight. It is clear how he changes after awakening. And even in base form now at 1053 when Kid try to attack him.

G5 also revived him. He died after Kaido hit him in his G4 for the last time.

He has a DF of a God. Sun God Nika. He isn't God himself but the DF has the power of a God. And that power is the toon force.
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Glad you meantioned Zoro.

The perfect example.

Zoro did not won over King because he slash became stronger with ACoC. But because he learned King tricky about Flame On/Off mode.
Something like that about Kaido would fit Oda statement.

ACoA(internal damage) was already fitting Oda statement. ACoA is not punching harder but internally. So that was the tricky to beat Kaido. But not, that wasn't enough. Internally was actually shallow. Then we have ACoC that is not even touching but we have to believe it is doing even more damage than before. And still isn't enough... And then we have G5 that is making goofy/unrealistic attacks with toon force and still isn't enough since Luffy needed 2 activations of it and ended with a normal Elephant Gung with ACoC.
What "toon" powers? Luffy's powers are perfectly described. Did he summon a giant anvil? Paint a tunnel on a wall? Everything he did can be explained with "rubber powers awakened". So you'll need to expand on that
 
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What "toon" powers? Luffy's powers are perfectly described. Did he summon a giant anvil? Paint a tunnel on a wall? Everything he did can be explained with "rubber powers awakened". So you'll need to expand on that
He literally run over air after receiving Kaido's boro breath.

Luffy used to fly with G4 Boundman because of the pressure made by his legs. What justify him flying with G5?

Luffy G5 not only changes himself but others and the enviroment surround. What explains it? Not even Doffy and Katakuri awakenings works like that. Rubber should never repel Boro Breath. And make Kaido look like a cartoon.

Luffy was never able to catch a lightning bolt by hands.

His punches never went through enemies face.

This is just ridiculous. How he grabs Dragon Form Kaido too. How muscular he becomes for a while and at the next second he is thin again.

All this is toon force. You are trying to deny it because you also doesn't like but wants to suck Oda for doing that. Not sure why though.
 
#29
One Piece used to stand out because of its atypical cast composure. Originally Usopp stood out because he was part of a small group and yet he wasn't strong, now he's in the background. Chopper wasn't that cute, now he's not only cute but has an extra cute form. Robin was very offbeat in many ways, in Onigashima she fought and had the same pattern as the others with that last minute flashback -> super attack. Franky faced ire for not being a generic anime guy like Paulie. The last three members remain unique in the lineup too but when it came to facing the emperors?


Look at the epic end of Whitebeard and compare that to Kaido getting washed by Timberlake.
 
#30
One Piece used to stand out because of its atypical cast composure. Originally Usopp stood out because he was part of a small group and yet he wasn't strong, now he's in the background. Chopper wasn't that cute, now he's not only cute but has an extra cute form. Robin was very offbeat in many ways, in Onigashima she fought and had the same pattern as the others with that last minute flashback -> super attack. Franky faced ire for not being a generic anime guy like Paulie. The last three members remain unique in the lineup too but when it came to facing the emperors?


Look at the epic end of Whitebeard and compare that to Kaido getting washed by Timberlake.
Also a very good point. I have a whole subject I want to expand one day where I think Luffy should have kept beating people in funny and creative ways by exploiting his fruit to the end, but because of trying to copy the trends of Dbz it ended up into generic powerups and punches
Luffy being made out of rubber barelly matters, but the same is true of other charachters: Usopp cant compete because everybody has powerlevels now so his gadgets and tricks simply don't work anymore, the same with Robins arm not being effective on strong opponents meaning she has to get some generic demon form that doesnt use the sprouting of limbs in any interessting way ect.
And yeah the crew lost their charm as a result of that.
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One Piece used to stand out because of its atypical cast composure. Originally Usopp stood out because he was part of a small group and yet he wasn't strong, now he's in the background. Chopper wasn't that cute, now he's not only cute but has an extra cute form. Robin was very offbeat in many ways, in Onigashima she fought and had the same pattern as the others with that last minute flashback -> super attack. Franky faced ire for not being a generic anime guy like Paulie. The last three members remain unique in the lineup too but when it came to facing the emperors?


Look at the epic end of Whitebeard and compare that to Kaido getting washed by Timberlake.
Are you saying Robin finally getting a decent fight after 20 years is a bad thing lol?
 
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#33
trying to copy the trends of Dbz
If you are talking about DBZ you are so wrong. One Piece shouldn't be compared to this masterpiece that DBZ is.

If you are talking about DBS than whatever, I never watched that thrash.

In DB and DBZ, villains are usually defeated in many different ways. Many villains needed teamfight to be defeated. Some needed new techniques. Other needed to go back to basics like punches.
 
#34
If you are talking about DBZ you are so wrong. One Piece shouldn't be compared to this masterpiece that DBZ is.

If you are talking about DBS than whatever, I never watched that thrash.

In DB and DBZ, villains are usually defeated in many different ways. Many villains needed teamfight to be defeated. Some needed new techniques. Other needed to go back to basics like punches.
DBZ isn't a masterpiece. The story was short and dumb, it just allowed for some good novelty gimmicks and incredibly well drawn fights. It will forever carry nostalgia for those born between the early 70s and early 00s, but to act like it's incomparable is a bit much
 
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#35
DBZ isn't a masterpiece. The story was short and dumb, it just allowed for some good novelty gimmicks and incredibly well drawn fights. It will forever carry nostalgia for those born between the early 70s and early 00s, but to act like it's incomparable is a bit much
It is a masterpiece. Perfectly explained powers, consistent power level and growth. Story is simple but still exciting. Don't need to be an elaborate story to be a masterpiece. It delivers what it hypes.
 
#36
If you are talking about DBZ you are so wrong. One Piece shouldn't be compared to this masterpiece that DBZ is.

If you are talking about DBS than whatever, I never watched that thrash.

In DB and DBZ, villains are usually defeated in many different ways. Many villains needed teamfight to be defeated. Some needed new techniques. Other needed to go back to basics like punches.
Nah I respect Dbz, but One piece trys to copy it without understanding what truly makes Dbz great and doesnt understand that it doesnt match what Oda is trying to do with dbz
 
#37
It is a masterpiece. Perfectly explained powers, consistent power level and growth. Story is simple but still exciting. Don't need to be an elaborate story to be a masterpiece. It delivers what it hypes.
Perfectly explained powers...
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Okay, well nice chatting with you lol
 
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#39
Nah I respect Dbz, but One piece trys to copy it without understanding what truly makes Dbz great and doesnt understand that it doesnt match what Oda is trying to do with dbz
I don't see One Piece coping DBZ. Only One Piece Anime coping DBS light effects. And that is ridiculous.
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Perfectly explained powers...
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Okay, well nice chatting with you lol
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