This thread shows that all AdCoC users have the zap/zzt sfx and that the same sfx is used for lightning.
The OP also proved that Zoro only used armament haki against hybrid Kaido.
*Ulti might have CoC(weakest CoC in the story) tho, the anime, official art, Nami possibly having CoC, Nami fans should make a thread about it.
As a honest Blackbeard fan I can say that it doesn't matter for me if BB has CoC Haki or not, because BB already showed a very high level CoA Haki that can block a mountain level sword slashes from S-Hawk, so BB already has one of the best CoA Haki, plus the power of Tremor DF, it makes already a beautiful combination.
But its still interesting that Oda probably hinted Blackbeard was using CoC Haki while attacking Law's submarine.
Oda is being consistent with the CoC sound effects since Luffy vs. Chinjao and Doflamingo CoC Haki clash:
ZZAP
-Chapter 716
ZZT
ZZAT!!
- Chapter 782
While Zolo's CoA on his sword sound effect:
ZZD
-Chapter 778
ZRD
-Chapter 787
Raisin's CoA Haki
ZZR
- Chapter 897
ZRRRD
- Chapters 1010, 1003.
The similarity and the difference could be ''D'' or ''R'' sound effect, in comparison with CoC Haki's Zap, or Zzt.
ZAP
- Chapter 893
While in CoA Haki clash, its only GCANG or GANK
- Chapter 883
The only exception could be Ulti's head, if she doesn't have a low level CoC Haki like Doflamingo or Chinjao:
- Chapter 983
Interesting that, even Advance CoA Haki has no sound effect, or that Jinbe's CoA Haki clashes, Fujitora and Luffy, or Sabo and Burgess's CoA Haki clashes has no ZAP or ZZT sound effect:
- Chapter 737
- Chapter 799
- Chapter 1018
- Chapter 955
- Chapter 946
And again, WB and Roger clash, has ZZT
- Chapter 966
- ZZT sound comes from Luffy in Chapter 1010
- ZAP sound effect comes from Katakuri's shoulder in Chapter 895 after slamming Luffy
- In Chapter 1025, ZAP sound comes from Yamato's club
- Ch.1026 ZAP sound effect from Luffy and Kaido
- Ch.1027 ZAP sound effect from Luffy and Kaido, Yamato remembers Oden's journal that says Roger and WB splitted the heavens as well
The difference between Zolo and King clash that there is no ZAP sound effect in Chapter 1035:
- Chapter 1035, ZAP sound effect comes from Zolo's swords, but there wasn't a ZAP sound effect during the clash with King
- Chapter 1044, ZAP sound effect
- Chapter 1048, ZAP sound effect
- Chapter 1011, Bigmom's punch has ZAP sound effect
- Chapter 951, ZAP sound effect when Kaido and Big mom clashed
- Chapter 1036 ZAP sound effects with Black lightnings again
- Chapter 1041, ZAP sound effects from Kaido
- Chapter 1055, ZAP sound effects with black lightning from Shanks
- Chapter 1059, ZZT sound effect from Rayleigh
So out of nearly 30 CoC Haki sound examples, most of them has ZAP or ZZT sound effects, and even in Advance CoA clashes there isn't that sound, the only 1 exception here could be Ulti's headbutt, either due to her head being special or she actually has CoC.
Now the example here that when Blackbeard attacks Law's submarine in Chapter 1063, that ZAP sound shows up:
Not only because of the sound effect, its also impressive because both Aokiji and Kizaru's combined attacks couldn't reach Law's submarine before, and they couldn't force Law to reach surface.
Blackbeard's attack is so powerful that its much better than 2 Admiral's attack combined:
And another interesting thing, WB's Tremor attacks doesn't have any ZAP, ZZT or any similar sound effects, one of his attacks has
WMM sound effect from Tremor DF circle attack:
In other type of Tremor attack, it has either Kroom, Kraakk, Boom, or Rrmmm before the attack:
That is also similar to this:
Now why this is important, because before Blackbeard uses his Tremor DF, there was none of these voices, it was:
ZZT
Afterwards, its usual Crak sound effects:
But that ZZT sound effect before is interesting.
Now, another interesting thing is, we don't see any Tremor DF sound effect while clashing with Law's awakened sword and we see Blackbeard's black CoA arm:
And it doesn't look like classic Tremor shattering effect, which is Krak, Crak, Kaboom etc, its more like the classic sound of black ligthning that comes from CoA Haki clash.
Its only GA-CHING, which is a usual voice when a CoA Haki clashes with a metal sword. This sounds more like Luffy's CoA and Katakuri's CoA Clash, or when Luffy blocked Kaido's slash attack with CoA Haki in chapter 1037:
It was the same sound effect vs. S-Hawk's mountain size slash attack: GA-CHING
So, the question is,
Did Blackbeard use Tremor ability while clashing with Law's awakened sword?
Because there is no Tremor sound effect during the clash, and that circle looks more like Law's awakening room, it doesn't look like a Tremor circle attack that WB used before.
Vegapunk's explanation of devil fruits origin increased the chances of Teach having CoC. The driving force of Teach's unethical behavior in taking more than needed is an increased desire rather than decreased willpower.
Not having CoC though won't change that Teach can still low diff Roger with 3 awakened top DFs lol.
As a honest Blackbeard fan I can say that it doesn't matter for me if BB has CoC Haki or not, because BB already showed a very high level CoA Haki that can block a mountain level sword slashes from S-Hawk, so BB already has one of the best CoA Haki, plus the power of Tremor DF, it makes already a beautiful combination.
But its still interesting that Oda probably hinted Blackbeard was using CoC Haki while attacking Law's submarine.
Oda is being consistent with the CoC sound effects since Luffy vs. Chinjao and Doflamingo CoC Haki clash:
ZZAP
-Chapter 716
ZZT
ZZAT!!
- Chapter 782
While Zolo's CoA on his sword sound effect:
ZZD
- Chapter 778
ZRD
- Chapter 787
Raisin's CoA Haki
ZZR
- Chapter 897
ZRRRD
- Chapters 1010, 1003.
The similarity and the difference could be ''D'' or ''R'' sound effect, in comparison with CoC Haki's Zap, or Zzt.
ZAP
- Chapter 893
While in CoA Haki clash, its only GCANG or GANK :
- Chapter 883
The only exception could be Ulti's head, if she doesn't have a low level CoC Haki like Doflamingo or Chinjao:
- Chapter 983
Interesting that, even Advance CoA Haki has no sound effect, or that Jinbe's CoA Haki clashes, Fujitora and Luffy, or Sabo and Burgess's CoA Haki clashes has no ZAP or ZZT sound effect:
- Chapter 737
- Chapter 799
- Chapter 1018
- Chapter 955
- Chapter 946
And again, WB and Roger clash, has ZZT
- Chapter 966
- ZZT sound comes from Luffy in Chapter 1010
- ZAP sound effect comes from Katakuri's shoulder in Chapter 895 after slamming Luffy
- In Chapter 1025, ZAP sound comes from Yamato's club
- Ch.1026 ZAP sound effect from Luffy and Kaido
- Ch.1027 ZAP sound effect from Luffy and Kaido, Yamato remembers Oden's journal that says Roger and WB splitted the heavens as well
The difference between Zolo and King clash that there is no ZAP sound effect in Chapter 1035:
- Chapter 1035, ZAP sound effect comes from Zolo's swords, but there wasn't a ZAP sound effect during the clash with King
- Chapter 1044, ZAP sound effect
- Chapter 1048, ZAP sound effect
- Chapter 1011, Bigmom's punch has ZAP sound effect
- Chapter 951, ZAP sound effect when Kaido and Big mom clashed
- Chapter 1036 ZAP sound effects with Black lightnings again
- Chapter 1041, ZAP sound effects from Kaido
- Chapter 1055, ZAP sound effects with black lightning from Shanks
- Chapter 1059, ZZT sound effect from Rayleigh
So out of nearly 30 CoC Haki sound examples, most of them has ZAP or ZZT sound effects, and even in Advance CoA clashes there isn't that sound, the only 1 exception here could be Ulti's headbutt, either due to her head being special or she actually has CoC.
Now the example here that when Blackbeard attacks Law's submarine in Chapter 1063, that ZAP sound shows up:
Not only because of the sound effect, its also impressive because both Aokiji and Kizaru's combined attacks couldn't reach Law's submarine before, and they couldn't force Law to reach surface.
Blackbeard's attack is so powerful that its much better than 2 Admiral's attack combined:
And another interesting thing, WB's Tremor DF attacks doesn't have any ZAP, ZZT or any similar sound effects, one of his attacks has
WMM sound effect only, from Tremor DF bubble/hypocenter attack:
In other type of Tremor DF bubble attack, it has either Kroom, Kraakk, Boom, or Rrmmm sound before the attack:
That is also similar to this attack from BB:
Now why this is important, because before Blackbeard uses his Tremor DF, there was none of these voices, it was:
ZZT
Afterwards, its usual Crak sound effects:
But that ZZT sound effect before is interesting.
Now, another interesting thing is, we don't see any Tremor DF sound effect while clashing with Law's awakened sword and we see Blackbeard's black CoA arm:
And it doesn't look like classic Tremor shattering effect, which is Krak, Crak, Kaboom etc, its more like the classic sound of black ligthning that comes from CoA Haki clash.
Its only GA-CHING, which is a usual voice when a CoA Haki clashes with a metal sword. This sounds more like Luffy's CoA and Katakuri's CoA Clash, or when Luffy blocked Kaido's slash attack with CoA Haki in chapter 1037:
It was the same sound effect vs. S-Hawk's mountain size slash attack: GA-CHING
So, the question is,
Did Blackbeard use Tremor DF ability while clashing with Law's awakened sword?
Because there is no Tremor sound effect during the clash, and that bubble looks more like Law's awakening room (same style and color when Law cut Doc Q's horse) it doesn't look like a Tremor bubble attack that WB used before.
Zolo's CoC Haki manifests as additional arms when he used Asura, before it was CoA, Asura has no ZRRD sound effect as well. Obviously first uses CoA Haki, which is ZRRD, then Asura's additional arms are CoC Haki infusing. Zolo didn't use Asura in that instant where ZRRD sound effect showed up, Asura was 1 page after.
Not every CoC Haki usage must have that sound effect, for example, Roger's Kamusari and Oden's attacks don't have as well, but Oda confirmed it has CoC Haki.
%97 of the times when there is ZAP or ZZT alongside with Black lightning its CoC Haki, only %3 exception could be Ulti, if she doesn't have low level CoC Haki, or could be a small mistake like when Oda forgot to draw S-Bear's hair as white before.
You clearly learned that from my post now don't lie, lmao.
If %97 of the times, CoC Haki users makes that sound with black lightning isn't good enough then get out of here.
Oda is not perfect he can make a mistake, or could be something else with her head, or he can say Ulti uses a low level CoC like Doflamingo or Chinjao, it wouldn't be surprising.
Vegapunk's explanation of devil fruits origin increased the chances of Teach having CoC. The driving force of Teach's unethical behavior in taking more than needed is an increased desire rather than decreased willpower.
Not having CoC though won't change that Teach can still low diff Roger with 3 awakened top DFs lol.
That technique vs. Law, has GACHING sound effect, a different voice as well, there is no WMM voice.
Plus, WB or BB never used both Bubble + Air shattering Tremor attack at the same time as well,
Its either Bubble tremor or Air shattering Tremor, on that page vs. Law, it has both black lightnings and bubble if it was Tremor ability, which is not, that is where Law's awakened sword makes contact with its opponent in awakening room.
BB doesn't use Tremor DF because there is no air shattering cracks as well, and no sound effect like Krak or Kaboom etc, thats more like Haki clash black lightnings, that's why there is only GACHING voice.
Zolo's CoC Haki manifests as additional arms when he used Asura, before it was CoA, Asura has no ZRRD sound effect as well. Obviously first uses CoA Haki, which is ZRRD, then Asura's additional arms are CoC Haki infusing. Zolo didn't use Asura in that instant where ZRRD sound effect showed up, Asura was 1 page after.
Not every CoC Haki usage must have that sound effect, for example, Roger's Kamusari and Oden's attacks don't have as well, but Oda confirmed it has CoC Haki.
%97 of the times when there is ZAP or ZZT alongside with Black lightning its CoC Haki, only %3 exception could be Ulti, if she doesn't have low level CoC Haki, or could be a small mistake like when Oda forgot to draw S-Bear's hair as white before.
You clearly learned that from my post now don't lie, lmao.
If %97 of the times, CoC Haki users makes that sound with black lightning isn't good enough then get out of here.
Oda is not perfect he can make a mistake, or he can say Ulti uses a low level CoC like Doflamingo or Chinjao, it wouldn't be surprising.
DF Awakening could be related to CoC Haki as well, we will see.
Because even in Pre-Time skip, they also resisted Rayleigh's CoC. And now its Post-time skip, they should be even stronger.
There is no Gura bubble.
This is a Gura bubble color:
This is Law's awakened Room color:
Same color and style with Law's awakening room:
Tremor bubble has sound effect like WMM as well:
That technique vs. Law, has GACHING sound effect, a different voice as well, there is no WMM voice.
Plus, WB or BB never used both Bubble + Air shattering Tremor attack at the same time as well,
Its either Bubble tremor or Air shattering Tremor, on that page vs. Law, it has both black lightnings and bubble if it was Tremor ability, which is not, that is where Law's awakened sword makes contact with its opponent in awakening room.
BB doesn't use Tremor DF because there is no air shattering cracks as well, and no sound effect like Krak or Kaboom etc, thats more like Haki clash black lightnings, that's why there is only GACHING voice.
This is Gura bubble. It cannot be anything other than that. CoC doesnt have such bubble.
And it isnt Law's bubble since his bubble in on his sword. So it is BB's bubble from Gura bcs it isnt from CoC.
Whether he is stacking CoC with Gura bubble, you can probably tell by looking at the SFX you were mentioning...
That reminds me, does Zoro's Asura have CoC SFX when fighting Kaido in 1010?
Zolo's CoC Haki manifests as additional arms when he used Asura, before it was CoA, Asura has no ZRRD sound effect as well. Obviously first uses CoA Haki, which is ZRRD, then Asura's additional arms are CoC Haki infusing. Zolo didn't use Asura in that instant where ZRRD sound effect showed up, Asura was 1 page after.
Not every CoC Haki usage must have that sound effect, for example, Roger's Kamusari and Oden's attacks don't have as well, but Oda confirmed it has CoC Haki.
%97 of the times when there is ZAP or ZZT alongside with Black lightning its CoC Haki, only %3 exception could be Ulti, if she doesn't have low level CoC Haki, or could be a small mistake like when Oda forgot to draw S-Bear's hair as white before.
You clearly learned that from my post now don't lie, lmao.
If %97 of the times, CoC Haki users makes that sound with black lightning isn't good enough then get out of here.
Oda is not perfect he can make a mistake, or could be something else with her head, or he can say Ulti uses a low level CoC like Doflamingo or Chinjao, it wouldn't be surprising.
DF Awakening could be related to CoC Haki as well, we will see.
Because even in Pre-Time skip, they also resisted Rayleigh's CoC. And now its Post-time skip, they should be even stronger.
There is no Gura bubble.
This is a Gura bubble color:
This is Law's awakened Room color:
Same color and style with Law's awakening room:
Tremor bubble has sound effect like WMM as well:
That technique vs. Law, has GACHING sound effect, a different voice as well, there is no WMM voice.
Plus, WB or BB never used both Bubble + Air shattering Tremor attack at the same time as well,
Its either Bubble tremor or Air shattering Tremor, on that page vs. Law, it has both black lightnings and bubble if it was Tremor ability, which is not, that is where Law's awakened sword makes contact with its opponent in awakening room.
BB doesn't use Tremor DF because there is no air shattering cracks as well, and no sound effect like Krak or Kaboom etc, thats more like Haki clash black lightnings, that's why there is only GACHING voice.
I learned that Ulti's headbutt went zapzap from an obscure worstgen thread? Buddy there was "ulti coc" speculation for months when that chapter came out you prideful fuck.
This is Gura bubble. It cannot be anything other than that. CoC doesnt have such bubble. And it isnt Law's bubble since his bubble in on his sword. So it is BB's bubble from Gura bcs it isnt from CoC.
Whether he is stacking CoC with Gura bubble, you can probably tell by looking at the SFX you were mentioning...
That reminds me, does Zoro's Asura have CoC SFX when fighting Kaido in 1010?
We don't know how exactly Law's awakening works, or looks when someone stops his attack. His awakening attack stopped by Blackbeard in this instance, Big mom has never done that or didn't have any chance to do that due to Kid helping Law. Perhaps it looks exactly like that when someone stops his awakening attack. That's the first time that happened. Perhaps the awakening is directed from his sword in that instance, it doesn't mean there should be 2 rooms.
I showed you how Tremor bubble looks like, it doesn't look like that at all:
You can see the dark color marks around the Tremor bubble, there are black spots around it, the line is not sharp, and its completely white inside.
This isn't the same with this:
While in this clash, this bubble looks exactly like Law's room, its gray inside and only the center is white.
Unless you are telling me Oda changed the design and the color for Tremor bubble attack for no reason? Then again, there isn't any sound effect that's related to Tremor DF as well, it usually has WMM or Krak, Kaboom etc sound effects when its used, there is none of those voices here in this clash. And it has only a sound effect that's used for CoA Haki, which is GACHING.
The difference is clear.
So what you are saying that;
- Oda changed the color and the style design for Tremor DF bubble for some reason
- Oda forgot to add any Tremor DF sound effect in this clash, instead he just added a classic CoA Haki clash sound effect by making BB's hand black.
The only valid argument would be he used Air shattering Tremor DF attack, not bubble, but then again, it looks a little different than regular air shattering Tremor attack, there is no need for close contact for BB to do that, he could send a Tremor attack from distance, or that he didn't need black armament on his hand to do it, I think BB just wanted to stop Law's awakening attack first, not throw him away with a Tremor attack, or didn't want to destroy the area with Tremor, so he could pull Law with darkness.
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