General & Others Complaints about the postskip you don't agree with

[Monkey D. Luffy]

Their executions are another issue, but I have no qualms about Luffy beating Katakuri or "soloing" Kaido, especially the former. I don't grasp how Luffy losing to Katakuri as a repeat of the "I'm too weak" plotline back in Marineford would serve the narrative when (a) he's poised to fight a Yonkou the next arc and (b) Katakuri's clearly Luffy's final stepping stone to the Yonkou themselves.

Even though I was all about Brook VS Who's-Who (and Jimbei VS Jack), I'm okay with him not having a proper fight. Not every Straw Hat gets a match-up and Brook soloing a Number and a bunch of Gifters gave him solid portrayal like Franky and Robin.

 

[Rekien]

99% of the criticism it gets are completely legit, as pre-ts beats post-ts in every level, be it fights, PU's and storyline.

 

[lee33]

Regarding Luffy vs Katakuri, I have no problems with Luffy beating Katakuri too, however, you can't write Luffy taking 99 percent of the damage and then bring in Flampe as a plot device to nerf Katakuri and then have Luffy defeat Katakuri. That makes no sense.

Regarding Luffy vs Kaido solo match, it has already been established for literally the past 10 years that Luffy isn't on par with Kaido. Not even close. Luffy struggled against Hody Jones, struggled against Ceaser, struggled against Doffy, struggled against Cracker, etc so now we are suppose to be okay with Luffy 1 v 1 a yonko? That makes zero narrative sense. Because of that dumb decision by Oda, to have Luffy 1 v 1 Kaido, we are now seeing asspulls after asspulls after asspulls. I don't know about you, but I want to read a good story without constant ass pulls hence why it should have been a team fight instead.

Regarding "not every Straw Hat gets a match-up", I am fine with that too. They don't have to have a match up, HOWEVER, they still need to contribute to the story. If Oda can't think of ways to have them contribute to the story, then he has failed as a writer. The strawhats are your main characters, you can't have them just run around screaming doing nothing the entire 150+ chapter arc. Look at Robin, she was given her 1 v 1 which lasted all of half a chapter and now she is no where to be seen. A 150 chapter arc, where Robin only contribute half a chapter. That is nonsense writing.

 

[Nel-Zel fiasco]

Regarding Luffy vs Katakuri, I have no problems with Luffy beating Katakuri too, however, you can't write Luffy taking 99 percent of the damage and then bring in Flampe as a plot device to nerf Katakuri and then have Luffy defeat Katakuri. That makes no sense.

Regarding Luffy vs Kaido solo match, it has already been established for literally the past 10 years that Luffy isn't on par with Kaido. Not even close. Luffy struggled against Hody Jones, struggled against Ceaser, struggled against Doffy, struggled against Cracker, etc so now we are suppose to be okay with Luffy 1 v 1 a yonko? That makes zero narrative sense. Because of that dumb decision by Oda, to have Luffy 1 v 1 Kaido, we are now seeing asspulls after asspulls after asspulls. I don't know about you, but I want to read a good story without constant ass pulls hence why it should have been a team fight instead.

Regarding "not every Straw Hat gets a match-up", I am fine with that too. They don't have to have a match up, HOWEVER, they still need to contribute to the story. If Oda can't think of ways to have them contribute to the story, then he has failed as a writer. The strawhats are your main characters, you can't have them just run around screaming doing nothing the entire 150+ chapter arc. Look at Robin, she was given her 1 v 1 which lasted all of half a chapter and now she is no where to be seen. A 150 chapter arc, where Robin only contribute half a chapter. That is nonsense writing.

yep i agree with luffy vs katakuri. flampe is bad thing to nerf kata dunno why oda do that
and about kaido vs luffy maybe at first oda establish 1vs1 kaido always win to narrative the plot about everyone vs kaido or straw hats pirates vs kaido like starw hats vs oars but oda change his mind why? maybe he ralized that luffy will be underdog always vs big shots and never level up that,s oda gave luffy PU after PU atfer PU which is weird because that not the first plan according to narative oda made himself ...
oda kinda RUSHED luffy level up maybe because he want to end one piece soon? he really forced 1vs1 fight again n again so luffy can keep level up ... Ironically seeing luffy vs kaido looks like seeing dark souls player vs boss again n again lol

and clearly oda sacrifice "starw hats fight" and off screen jack n drake to show up sccabrad,tama,momo and yamato plot... Which is Crazy !! why he do that? it,s like those samurais are Main Characters n straw hats just GUEST CHARACTERS in their own manga

 

[Least Pirates]

Regarding Luffy vs Katakuri, I have no problems with Luffy beating Katakuri too, however, you can't write Luffy taking 99 percent of the damage and then bring in Flampe as a plot device to nerf Katakuri and then have Luffy defeat Katakuri. That makes no sense.

Regarding Luffy vs Kaido solo match, it has already been established for literally the past 10 years that Luffy isn't on par with Kaido. Not even close. Luffy struggled against Hody Jones, struggled against Ceaser, struggled against Doffy, struggled against Cracker, etc so now we are suppose to be okay with Luffy 1 v 1 a yonko? That makes zero narrative sense. Because of that dumb decision by Oda, to have Luffy 1 v 1 Kaido, we are now seeing asspulls after asspulls after asspulls. I don't know about you, but I want to read a good story without constant ass pulls hence why it should have been a team fight instead.

Regarding "not every Straw Hat gets a match-up", I am fine with that too. They don't have to have a match up, HOWEVER, they still need to contribute to the story. If Oda can't think of ways to have them contribute to the story, then he has failed as a writer. The strawhats are your main characters, you can't have them just run around screaming doing nothing the entire 150+ chapter arc. Look at Robin, she was given her 1 v 1 which lasted all of half a chapter and now she is no where to be seen. A 150 chapter arc, where Robin only contribute half a chapter. That is nonsense writing.

Yep, Kaido should have been a team fight but Oda couldn't stop himself.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Luffy being a Messiah or some sort of god sent MC plot armor. I mean it's been established from the beginning of OP that destiny and predetermined stuff is gonna happen but people act like Oda has pulling PIS for Luffy in the last minute.

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

Regarding Luffy vs Katakuri, I have no problems with Luffy beating Katakuri too, however, you can't write Luffy taking 99 percent of the damage and then bring in Flampe as a plot device to nerf Katakuri and then have Luffy defeat Katakuri. That makes no sense.

Hence my beginning clause, "their executions are another issue."

This thread isn't to defend those opening points per say but for everyone to express disagreements with the complaints about the postskip.

 

[lee33]

Hence my beginning clause, "their executions are another issue."

This thread isn't to defend those opening points per say but for everyone to express disagreements with the complaints about the postskip.

I seriously can't find a complaint about Wano that I don't disagree with lmfao!

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Luffy being a Messiah or some sort of god sent MC plot armor. I mean it's been established from the beginning of OP that destiny and predetermined stuff is gonna happen but people act like Oda has pulling PIS for Luffy in the last minute.

destiny yes, predetermined yes, "reincarnation" no. And it is not PIS for Luffy, instead it is plot amor. PIS is Queen.

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

Well, in that respects, Kaido vs Luffy should still have never been a 1 v 1. From a narrative stand point, it makes no sense and there is no denying that. If you, Oda and the fanbase wanted a Kaido vs Luffy 1 v 1 then have proper set up instead of asspulls after asspulls. Have Luffy reach semi-yonko status strength BEFORE facing Kaido, not while facing Kaido. You can't have Luffy struggle against Ulti and get one shotted by Kaido and then have him 1 v 1 him. That is Fairy Tail.

Luffy shouldn't struggle with Ulti after (barely) beating Katakuri much less after his post Udon training. Then again, we had Big Mom helpless against Jimbei's arm grab and Robin rolling her away.

 

[lee33]

Oh, I actually found one complaint I don't agree with which is FMI being the worse arc. FMI is probably the best post time skip arc for me. Give me FMI over Punk Hazard, Dressrosa, WCI and Wano anyday.

Luffy shouldn't struggle with Ulti after (barely) beating Katakuri much less after his post Udon training. Then again, we had Big Mom helpless against Jimbei's arm grab and Robin rolling her away.

I edited my post before your post lol, how did you quote that.

But yes, regarding Big Mom examples you gave, there is a reason why Big Mom nickname is Big Meme. Those events should have never happened (though I don't remember the Jinbei holding Big Mom's arm).

 

[Finalbeta]

Feel like some complaints about Wano are too unnecessary and biased cause this arc is looking better than at least most Post TS arcs we gazed at in our manga career and still those folks didn't complain this badly at the time.

 

[BlackLegFring]

The only complaint I can think of that I don't agree with is the crew getting split up in certain situations. I don't mind that at all as long as each of them still gets proper focus. The complaint should really be about Oda disregarding the Strawhats, not just splitting them up.

 

[GrizzlySenpai]

Yep, Kaido should have been a team fight but Oda couldn't stop himself.

I'm partially with this. It would've been nice if the group fight went on a bit longer, then the Nika awakening came at the most dire part of the fight, and Luffy got to save his friends from the brink.

 

[ZenZu]

"Kaidou should have been a teamfight"

Meanwhile Kaidou nonstop fighting the entire alliance since chapter 987

Spoiler

 

[Baba]

The Shiryuu end-game hype.

Shiryuu was ruined for me the moment he got the invisible fruit. In a phase of the story where pretty much every top tier has CoO I don't understand the decision of giving him that ability.

Even if CoO wasn't a thing, a fight where the main character isn't able to see the opponent and has to defeat them inspite of that has been done numerous time in various animes.

Shiryuu should have gotten an ability that enhances his swordsmanship, meh.

 

[Franosuke]

The Shiryuu end-game hype.

Shiryuu was ruined for me the moment he got the invisible fruit. In a phase of the story where pretty much every top tier has CoO I don't understand the decision of giving him that ability.

Even if CoO wasn't a thing, a fight where the main character isn't able to see the opponent and has to defeat them inspite of that has been done numerous time in various animes.

Shiryuu should have gotten an ability that enhances his swordsmanship, meh.

His awakening will allow him to erase his opponent's senses...you heard it here first

 

[Baba]

His awakening will allow him to erase his opponent's senses...you heard it here first

Not too late to watch bleach xD
Tosen vs Kenpachi Zaraki 2.0

 

[Finalbeta]

I miss the amazing interactions the SHs were having, not only quality wise but also quantity 🤔