Powers & Abilities Conqueror's Haki is not part of Swordsmanship

#21
This isn’t what that means. Rayleigh doesn’t have followers… Zoro doesn’t have followers… Yamato doesn’t have followers

Luffy’s ability to make friends isn’t even shared among the top pirates… Fucking Roger doesn’t have as many allies as Luffy… The closest person to Luffy’s ally count was Xebec… that’s it… None of the Yonko have as many allies as Luffy.

So how come the greatest CoC users don’t have as many followers as Luffy… and how come There’s a number of CoC users who completely don’t even have followers?

Mihawk isn’t talking about Luffy having a literal superpower of somehow forcing the wills of other people to obey his commands… he’s just talking about charisma and fate and basically plot

So no, CoC doesn’t have the power to make people subordinate to other people… It has the power to dominate other people’s wills and crush them… But crushinc other people’s wills isn’t the same as making them follow you… You need charisma for that part

Also, when Zoro unlocked coc, his statement to king was referring back his Dream of WSS… As in his CoC awakening happens when he reaffirms he wants to be WSS… So… I don’t know where your getting this shit about him abandoning his dream
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@park_min young is it? Zoro couldn’t scar Kaido with CoA… he needed AdvCoC… so, Kaido specifically would be beyond damage without CoC


You're absolutely in the wrong if you think The COLOUR OF SUPREME KING is not tied TO ACTUALLY BECOMING A KINGLY FIGURE.
Furthermore, I already made the distinction between having a Haki, and actually being profficient at it.

Observation Haki has been linked in part to having overwhelming empathy and feeling the feeling of others, Sanji, Koby, Luffy, all display these traits and developed Observation Haki with it, does it mean every single Observation Haki user needs to be empathetic? Of course not.

What a joke, one of the biggest most obvious themes in the story is Conqueror's Haki being tied to being a prominent leader, that is basically to enforce your will over others, whether it by force or friendship.
 
#22


You're absolutely in the wrong if you think The COLOUR OF SUPREME KING is not tied TO ACTUALLY BECOMING A KINGLY FIGURE.
Furthermore, I already made the distinction between having a Haki, and actually being profficient at it.

Observation Haki has been linked in part to having overwhelming empathy and feeling the feeling of others, Sanji, Koby, Luffy, all display these traits and developed Observation Haki with it, does it mean every single Observation Haki user needs to be empathetic? Of course not.

What a joke, one of the biggest most obvious themes in the story is Conqueror's Haki being tied to being a prominent leader, that is basically to enforce your will over others, whether it by force or friendship.
Those aren’t Zoro followers… to have followers you have to be a leader… Zoro isn’t these kids leader so they aren’t his followers

No, the definition of friendship in the manga HAS NEVER ONCE had the implication of enforcing your will on others… Literally never…

And again, your entire premise breaks down if there is no defined correlation/causation difference … if High level CoC users also don’t have followers, while people with followers aren’t CoC users or even high level CoC users then what the hell are you even talking about?

Like you are the one presenting the idea that Mihawk was talking about CoC so you’re saying there must be a causation… Yet you haven’t explained what the casuation is?

I can do this too btw… I can say “Mihawk was talking about Luffy being a man”… That’s Luffy’s power of getting people to follow him… it’s because Luffy has a dick and men naturally can make people follow them

Anha so what about the very many men who don’t have followers? I’ll use your excuse, it’s a theme that men are great leaders but you don’t HAVE TO be a manly man to be a great leader… it’s just a theme… it don’t automatically correlate to every man…

See how that sounds? You saw a a few corrections and assumed Mihawk was talking about a causation
 
#23
Isn't CoA linked to will just like CoC or did I miss something? :choppawhat:
Not all your haki stats or potency are similar, isn’t this one obvious? Oda even stated which haki do each of the M3 specialize in. It makes sense why CoA is Zoro’s specialty as he is the swordsman. In the same vein that Oda stated that CoC was Luffy’s specialty long before we had any clue on what it does for combat.
This isn’t what that means. Rayleigh doesn’t have followers… Zoro doesn’t have followers… Yamato doesn’t have followers

Luffy’s ability to make friends isn’t even shared among the top pirates… Fucking Roger doesn’t have as many allies as Luffy… The closest person to Luffy’s ally count was Xebec… that’s it… None of the Yonko have as many allies as Luffy.

So how come the greatest CoC users don’t have as many followers as Luffy… and how come There’s a number of CoC users who completely don’t even have followers?

Mihawk isn’t talking about Luffy having a literal superpower of somehow forcing the wills of other people to obey his commands… he’s just talking about charisma and fate and basically plot

So no, CoC doesn’t have the power to make people subordinate to other people… It has the power to dominate other people’s wills and crush them… But crushinc other people’s wills isn’t the same as making them follow you… You need charisma for that part

Also, when Zoro unlocked coc, his statement to king was referring back his Dream of WSS… As in his CoC awakening happens when he reaffirms he wants to be WSS… So… I don’t know where your getting this shit about him abandoning his dream
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@park_min young is it? Zoro couldn’t scar Kaido with CoA… he needed AdvCoC… so, Kaido specifically would be beyond damage without CoC
Choosing what to cut and not cut IS advanced armament, you’re the one who told me about this. Zoro can already cut Kaido at the time thanks to acoa and we have no clue if Zoro used acoc to scar Kaido.
Acoc by itself is also counterintuitive to what Koushirou said. So far, acoc is just a power boost. The swordsman will indiscriminately cut or destroy without much choice if he only used acoc. That is not the pinnacle of swordsmanship that Koushirou was talking about.

Overall, CoA is just the most intertwined haki for swordsmanship even at the its peak stages (black blades and choosing what to cut).
 
#24
we have no clue if Zoro used acoc to scar Kaido.
Kaido said Zoro used CoC to slash him

And Kaido repeatedly says AdvCoA can’t scar him… the scabbards are all AdvCoA users yet Kaido took all their attacks and said they pale in comparison to Oden

Oden, the last person to ever scar Kaido, USED ADVCOC to do it… So… If Multiple aCoA users are demonstrated to be unable to scar Kaido, and then the only two people to scar him are AdvCoC users… what does that mean?

Also Koushiro isn’t the authority on swordsmanship in the One Piece universe

It seems you are just taking the premise of this thread as canon for whatever reason… the OP of the thread mentions that Koushiro and His Dad Kozaburo have basically opposite philosophies of swordsmanship… and instead taking that to mean “swordsmen can have different ideologies” you took it to mean One has to be correct and the other has to be wrong… And you just decided to believe the thread’s interpretation instead

Well have you noticed that MIHAWK has never said any of the above things… EVER… In fact Mihawk seems to just have his own THIRD Swordmanship philosophy… Mihawk talk about having your sword breaking being a shame on your swordsmanship… koushiro and Kozaburo have never said anything about This… this is an exclusive Mihawk philosophy… That’s why he says Zoro has to make a black blade above all else… Literally mihawk doesn’t teach Zoro a single goddamn thing the entire time skip… he just tells him he needs to make a black blade specifically so that it never breaks… He doesn’t say anything about koshiro or kozaburo’s philosophies

The one time Mihawk talks about sword technique he says



Notice that once again Mihawk’s sword philosophy is not Koushiro or Kozaburo’s… it’s his own whole entire thing

So why isn’t the take away “Maybe different swordsmen have different ideas that inform how or why they fight the way they do”… And when Zoro himself becomes WSS, he too will have a whole new swordsman philosophy that’s his own… and it’s fine… It’s fine when characters have different ideas… Oda has never gone out of his way to say one is correct over the other… he’s never even had Mihawk say such a thing
 
#25
Kaido said Zoro used CoC to slash him

And Kaido repeatedly says AdvCoA can’t scar him… the scabbards are all AdvCoA users yet Kaido took all their attacks and said they pale in comparison to Oden

Oden, the last person to ever scar Kaido, USED ADVCOC to do it… So… If Multiple aCoA users are demonstrated to be unable to scar Kaido, and then the only two people to scar him are AdvCoC users… what does that mean?

Also Koushiro isn’t the authority on swordsmanship in the One Piece universe

It seems you are just taking the premise of this thread as canon for whatever reason… the OP of the thread mentions that Koushiro and His Dad Kozaburo have basically opposite philosophies of swordsmanship… and instead taking that to mean “swordsmen can have different ideologies” you took it to mean One has to be correct and the other has to be wrong… And you just decided to believe the thread’s interpretation instead

Well have you noticed that MIHAWK has never said any of the above things… EVER… In fact Mihawk seems to just have his own THIRD Swordmanship philosophy… Mihawk talk about having your sword breaking being a shame on your swordsmanship… koushiro and Kozaburo have never said anything about This… this is an exclusive Mihawk philosophy… That’s why he says Zoro has to make a black blade above all else… Literally mihawk doesn’t teach Zoro a single goddamn thing the entire time skip… he just tells him he needs to make a black blade specifically so that it never breaks… He doesn’t say anything about koshiro or kozaburo’s philosophies

The one time Mihawk talks about sword technique he says



Notice that once again Mihawk’s sword philosophy is not Koushiro or Kozaburo’s… it’s his own whole entire thing

So why isn’t the take away “Maybe different swordsmen have different ideas that inform how or why they fight the way they do”… And when Zoro himself becomes WSS, he too will have a whole new swordsman philosophy that’s his own… and it’s fine… It’s fine when characters have different ideas… Oda has never gone out of his way to say one is correct over the other… he’s never even had Mihawk say such a thing
No visual indicator that Zoro used acoc with Asura. These were the only philosophies of peak swordsmanship that we have in canon. Both as I’ve said alludes to the concept of CoA more than CoC. It makes sense, the concept of being able to cut anything is in lockstep with the penetration properties of CoA. CoA is also the form of haki that allows even intangible things such as logia to be cut. Protecting is also more attuned with CoA especially protecting one’s own blade - with peak potency allowing one to forge a black blade. There is more likely more to forging one but CoA has a confirmed connection to it based on Mihawk’s words.
 
#28
the premise of this thread as canon for whatever reason… the OP of the thread mentions that Koushiro and His Dad Kozaburo have basically opposite philosophies of swordsmanship… and instead taking that to mean “swordsmen can have different ideologies” you took it to mean One has to be correct and the other has to be wrong… And you just decided to believe the thread’s interpretation instead
Yes, that is the premise of the story of Muramasa and Masamune.
That one philosophy of protection inherently triumphs over the philosophy of destruction.

If you don't want to believe that THE most famous japanese mythos on sword forging isn't present in One Piece's sword lore, you can believe that if you want, but that specific bit of my argument hinges on the fact that Oda took inspiration from it.
Otherwise the point is moot.
 
#30
The claim I'm about to make is as researched as anything can be.
So please, read carefully and take in all information before rushing to reply, that is all I ask for.

Without further reading, let's deal with all arguments:


1. ARMAMENT HAKI PLAYS A MORE IMPORTANT ROLE IN SWORDSMANSHIP

This is simple, throughout the series, whenever swordmanship is mentioned, it always will come accompanied with new information on Armament Haki, and Armament Haki alone. Conqueror's has never played a role, and this can be seen throughout the one thousand and more chapters written by Oda's hand:

Ryou Explanation:
When Ryou was first explained, it was purely presented as a different name for Armament Haki, or Advanced Armament as some people call it.
This is coming from the land of Samurai, the leaders in swordsmanship, specifically naming and refering to Armament Haki as opposed to Conqueror's.
When Luffy succesfully mastered Advanced Armament Haki, Hyougoro concluded the lesson on Ryou as finalised.

Black Blades:
Mihawk's first and most important lesson, was on the nature of Armament Haki and Swordsmanship. He clearly outlines and points out that to create a black blade, armament Haki is needed. His is the strongest sword in the world, so we can take his advice as factual. Furthermore, Zoro's training specifically focused and dealt with Armament Haki, and as swordsmanship, a huge strain is placed upon it.
Such as not breaking blades.
Slicing things which are normally not sliceable.
Or creating Black Blades.

All things, tied with Armament Haki, which have shown in the story to have a deep tie to swordsmanship, and NOT Conqueror's.

Koushiro's Lesson:

One of the most talked about lessons in swordsmanship comes from Koushiro, in which he explains to Zoro how a swordsman must develop the ability to cut anything he wants, he thinks about this lesson in the context of his fight against Mr. 1, and develops, as the FIRST crewmember too, Armament Haki for the first time, enabling to cut through Mr 1's steel.
This also goes back to Hyougoro's lesson on Ryou, with similar phrasing, once again emphasing Armament Haki.
Unless you want to make the argument that what Zoro actually developed here was Conqueror's, it is undoubtedly an Armament Haki focus in the story, tied deeply with swordsmanship.

I could go deeper into it, but it would just be hammering the same point over again.
Swordsmanship is tied deeply with Armament Haki, and everytime an important piece of lore on it is mentioned whether it be Mihawk's lessons or Black Blades, there is always a tie to Armament Haki. Conqueror's Haki has yet to be mentioned at all as having any importance to swordsmanship.

But this of course raises the very important question:

2. WHAT ABOUT KING OF HELL??

King of Hell is without discussion, the application of Conqueror's Haki to swordsmanship.
Zoro was acknowledged by King as having Conqueror's, and thus procceeded to use it to defeat him, what does this mean for the future of swordsmanship?
To explain further, we have to do something a lot of people don't normally do,
we must read the whole context.

King isn't a Swordsman:
At the very start of the fight, we got this short scene, in which Zoro is suprised by King's moveset.
He not only relies on his sword to fight, but also punches and kicks too.
And after Zoro's shocks, by his own words, he exclaims that that must mean King is NOT a swordsman.
This is something that shouldn't be up for discussion, Zoro himself is making the statement that, since King plays under a different set of rules as normal swordsmanship, he is therefore not considered one.

But it doesn't end there, because immediately after he makes the exclamation that he too might rely on techniques outside of swordsmanship to win this fight.
He literally makes the foreshadowing, that he will win not through swordsmanship, but BY ANY MEANS POSSIBLE.

Kozaburo's Lesson:
During his fight with King, Zoro has a brief flashback in which he recalls a lesson by Enma's swordsmith:
"Swords are created to kill people".
Now, for those that are interested, you can look into the story of "Masamune and Muramasa", the two greatest swordsmiths in Japan.
Because this point is a carbon copy of that story, and it shows very well.
If Koushiro's lesson is "A sword that destroys is no sword at all", then it stands out that it's a COMPLETE OPPOSITE to Kozaburo's lesson, who believes swords are made only to kill and take, while Koushiro believes swords exist to protect and not-cut.
What does this mean for the fight? It means that during this fight, Zoro is recalling a lesson that is taking him away from true swordsmanship, as is shown in the Masamune and Muramasa story, he is leaning into the nature of swords as "Killing Machines", which is what he described King as being before.
During this fight, he is as stated by him, foregoing the path of true swordsmanship.

King of Hell, and Zoro's Dream:

What does this mean for King of Hell?
It means that KoH is not "swordsmanship".
And it is explained by Zoro's ideal that was explained all the way back in Thriller Bark, he is willing to sacrifice himself, and thus his dream, for the sake of Luffy's dream.
Zoro favours Luffy infinitely above himself, and thus would do anything to help him achieve this.

To conclude, Zoro starts by pointing that King is not a swordsman, and if he is to win the fight, he will have to abandon swordsmanship too and become a "Killer Machine".
What happens? He has a flashback in which Kouzaburo teaches him a lesson which contradicts THE most important lesson in swordsmanship yet, he exclaims that swords only exist to kill and destroy.
And thus, he enables King of Hell, this is him "biting King's throat off", as once prophesized, and abandoning Armament Haki the technique deeply tied to swordsmanship, in exchange for Conqueror's Haki, something else entirely.

3. WHY CAN'T CONQUEROR'S BE PART OF SWORDSMANSHIP

And all of this would make sense if it weren't for the simple questions:
"Why can't Conqueror's be used with Swordsmanship?"
"What does Conqueror's mean then?"
Or even
"But Mihawk MUST have Conqueror's!"
So here I will try to explain my reasoning as best as possible.

Mihawk's Statement:

Mihawk makes a very clear rationalization:
That Luffy's power to have people crowd to him is the most formidable of all.
This is without a doubt talking about the innateness of Conqueror's Haki, the Quality of a King, the power to amass followers.
Mihawk in this exchange, is making the delineation between what it means to be a Conqueror "Having people follow you", and what it means to be a swordsman "Techniques".
He, as World's Strongest Swordsman, understands this, because he still holds the dream of becoming Pirate King too, but was unable to, as he lacks the necessary qualities to be followed and lead.

Lone Wolf vs Kings:

It is no secret that Mihawk is an extremely lonely individual.
He lives alone in an island, mantains next to no contact with other people, and despite being WSS's has gained zero followers or pupils, except from the one that wanted to take him down eventually as sworn enemy.
Other characters like Luffy, Roger or Whitebeard, have shown a complete polar opposite personality, characters which have displayed extreme proficiency in Conqueror's Haki.
They have a following, they are beloved, people mourn and cry for them, and they are trusty leaders to the countless masses they make wherever they go. As the manga points out, these are the proper qualities of a Conqueror, and someone to be King.

So to finish this last point, Mihawk most probably has Conqueror's Haki, but it is in no way a vital part of becoming a swordsman, thus it is meaningless to argue.
He correctly pointed out Luffy's ability to make friends, an ability he lacks, and is deeply tied to being a King.
Joyboy wanted to be "King".
Luffy wants to be "King of the Pirates".
Zoro became "King of Hell", when he abandoned his swordsmanship.
And Mihawk? He is the "World's Greatest Swordsman".

As Mihawk has pointed out, the path to becoming a King is far far different and more arduous than the path to become the World's Greatest.
A path he once tried to take, and abandoned.
Very amazing and interesting read.. Every Zoro wankster should read this to get another perspective about Swordsmanship and Zoro..

In a sense you could say that Zoro decided to become the '' King of Hell '' instead of prioritizing on becoming the King of Swordsmen..
Maybe he did put winning at all costs over true Swordsmanship..

Although i don't agree about CoC not being part of Swordsmanship, i can see the reasoning.. It's not an '' Active '' role and more of a '' Passive '' role you could say.. But Zoro did need CoC to tame Enma and reach another level in CoA Swordsmanship, the story just has not explained that part yet like it did for Ryou and Koushiro.. If i didn't believe that KoH was mostly CoA, then i would totally believe that CoC is not part of Swordsmanship though..

It was a great point on CoA and Swordsmanship being interconnected throughout the series..

My only contention with Koushiro and Kouzaburo is Koushiro was speaking of the Blade methaphorically as the Wielder where as Kouzaburo was physically referring to the Blade..

There will be a time in One Piece where a true Swordsman ideals and philosophy is going to be explored for sure.. Is Zoro straying away from the true Swordsman Path?.. Possibly.. I never thought Zoro would dare suggest that he might not use swordsmanship in a fight, his code should be always by the Blade no matter what and no matter the opponent.. Core value of a true Swordsmen is '' Always by the Blade ''..

It's Strange to me that Zoro was willing to sacrifice his Life for Luffy, not for his dream but for his Promise to Kuina.. I think his promise to Kuina should far outweight Luffy's life or being captured..
 
#31
Yes, that is the premise of the story of Muramasa and Masamune.
That one philosophy of protection inherently triumphs over the philosophy of destruction.

If you don't want to believe that THE most famous japanese mythos on sword forging isn't present in One Piece's sword lore, you can believe that if you want, but that specific bit of my argument hinges on the fact that Oda took inspiration from it.
Otherwise the point is moot.
Unfortunately for you, Zoro’s goal isn’t to be the greatest Sword philosopher

Zoro’s goal is to be the WSS… the thing he said when he unlocked AdvCoC… The thing you’re saying he supposedly doesn’t care about by the mere virtue of unlocking AdvCoC… Literally ridiculous
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No visual indicator that Zoro used acoc with Asura.
@park_min young and what’s the visual indicator of AcoC? As in what’s the indicator of AcoC that’s across all AcoC users every single time CoC is used and not shared by any other form of Haki usage in the series?

It’s been 2 years since the end of the Wano… We’ve had this argument on this website for literal years now… there is no visual indicator of anything in One piece… Oda refuses to be consistent with a single thing… stop pretending that you haven’t seen this argument already

Kaido already said AcoA CANNOT SCAR HIM… He said it… it’s over… That’s simply the truth
 
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#32
The claim I'm about to make is as researched as anything can be.
So please, read carefully and take in all information before rushing to reply, that is all I ask for.

Without further reading, let's deal with all arguments:


1. ARMAMENT HAKI PLAYS A MORE IMPORTANT ROLE IN SWORDSMANSHIP

This is simple, throughout the series, whenever swordmanship is mentioned, it always will come accompanied with new information on Armament Haki, and Armament Haki alone. Conqueror's has never played a role, and this can be seen throughout the one thousand and more chapters written by Oda's hand:

Ryou Explanation:
When Ryou was first explained, it was purely presented as a different name for Armament Haki, or Advanced Armament as some people call it.
This is coming from the land of Samurai, the leaders in swordsmanship, specifically naming and refering to Armament Haki as opposed to Conqueror's.
When Luffy succesfully mastered Advanced Armament Haki, Hyougoro concluded the lesson on Ryou as finalised.

Black Blades:
Mihawk's first and most important lesson, was on the nature of Armament Haki and Swordsmanship. He clearly outlines and points out that to create a black blade, armament Haki is needed. His is the strongest sword in the world, so we can take his advice as factual. Furthermore, Zoro's training specifically focused and dealt with Armament Haki, and as swordsmanship, a huge strain is placed upon it.
Such as not breaking blades.
Slicing things which are normally not sliceable.
Or creating Black Blades.

All things, tied with Armament Haki, which have shown in the story to have a deep tie to swordsmanship, and NOT Conqueror's.

Koushiro's Lesson:

One of the most talked about lessons in swordsmanship comes from Koushiro, in which he explains to Zoro how a swordsman must develop the ability to cut anything he wants, he thinks about this lesson in the context of his fight against Mr. 1, and develops, as the FIRST crewmember too, Armament Haki for the first time, enabling to cut through Mr 1's steel.
This also goes back to Hyougoro's lesson on Ryou, with similar phrasing, once again emphasing Armament Haki.
Unless you want to make the argument that what Zoro actually developed here was Conqueror's, it is undoubtedly an Armament Haki focus in the story, tied deeply with swordsmanship.

I could go deeper into it, but it would just be hammering the same point over again.
Swordsmanship is tied deeply with Armament Haki, and everytime an important piece of lore on it is mentioned whether it be Mihawk's lessons or Black Blades, there is always a tie to Armament Haki. Conqueror's Haki has yet to be mentioned at all as having any importance to swordsmanship.

But this of course raises the very important question:

2. WHAT ABOUT KING OF HELL??

King of Hell is without discussion, the application of Conqueror's Haki to swordsmanship.
Zoro was acknowledged by King as having Conqueror's, and thus procceeded to use it to defeat him, what does this mean for the future of swordsmanship?
To explain further, we have to do something a lot of people don't normally do,
we must read the whole context.

King isn't a Swordsman:
At the very start of the fight, we got this short scene, in which Zoro is suprised by King's moveset.
He not only relies on his sword to fight, but also punches and kicks too.
And after Zoro's shocks, by his own words, he exclaims that that must mean King is NOT a swordsman.
This is something that shouldn't be up for discussion, Zoro himself is making the statement that, since King plays under a different set of rules as normal swordsmanship, he is therefore not considered one.

But it doesn't end there, because immediately after he makes the exclamation that he too might rely on techniques outside of swordsmanship to win this fight.
He literally makes the foreshadowing, that he will win not through swordsmanship, but BY ANY MEANS POSSIBLE.

Kozaburo's Lesson:
During his fight with King, Zoro has a brief flashback in which he recalls a lesson by Enma's swordsmith:
"Swords are created to kill people".
Now, for those that are interested, you can look into the story of "Masamune and Muramasa", the two greatest swordsmiths in Japan.
Because this point is a carbon copy of that story, and it shows very well.
If Koushiro's lesson is "A sword that destroys is no sword at all", then it stands out that it's a COMPLETE OPPOSITE to Kozaburo's lesson, who believes swords are made only to kill and take, while Koushiro believes swords exist to protect and not-cut.
What does this mean for the fight? It means that during this fight, Zoro is recalling a lesson that is taking him away from true swordsmanship, as is shown in the Masamune and Muramasa story, he is leaning into the nature of swords as "Killing Machines", which is what he described King as being before.
During this fight, he is as stated by him, foregoing the path of true swordsmanship.

King of Hell, and Zoro's Dream:

What does this mean for King of Hell?
It means that KoH is not "swordsmanship".
And it is explained by Zoro's ideal that was explained all the way back in Thriller Bark, he is willing to sacrifice himself, and thus his dream, for the sake of Luffy's dream.
Zoro favours Luffy infinitely above himself, and thus would do anything to help him achieve this.

To conclude, Zoro starts by pointing that King is not a swordsman, and if he is to win the fight, he will have to abandon swordsmanship too and become a "Killer Machine".
What happens? He has a flashback in which Kouzaburo teaches him a lesson which contradicts THE most important lesson in swordsmanship yet, he exclaims that swords only exist to kill and destroy.
And thus, he enables King of Hell, this is him "biting King's throat off", as once prophesized, and abandoning Armament Haki the technique deeply tied to swordsmanship, in exchange for Conqueror's Haki, something else entirely.

3. WHY CAN'T CONQUEROR'S BE PART OF SWORDSMANSHIP

And all of this would make sense if it weren't for the simple questions:
"Why can't Conqueror's be used with Swordsmanship?"
"What does Conqueror's mean then?"
Or even
"But Mihawk MUST have Conqueror's!"
So here I will try to explain my reasoning as best as possible.

Mihawk's Statement:

Mihawk makes a very clear rationalization:
That Luffy's power to have people crowd to him is the most formidable of all.
This is without a doubt talking about the innateness of Conqueror's Haki, the Quality of a King, the power to amass followers.
Mihawk in this exchange, is making the delineation between what it means to be a Conqueror "Having people follow you", and what it means to be a swordsman "Techniques".
He, as World's Strongest Swordsman, understands this, because he still holds the dream of becoming Pirate King too, but was unable to, as he lacks the necessary qualities to be followed and lead.

Lone Wolf vs Kings:

It is no secret that Mihawk is an extremely lonely individual.
He lives alone in an island, mantains next to no contact with other people, and despite being WSS's has gained zero followers or pupils, except from the one that wanted to take him down eventually as sworn enemy.
Other characters like Luffy, Roger or Whitebeard, have shown a complete polar opposite personality, characters which have displayed extreme proficiency in Conqueror's Haki.
They have a following, they are beloved, people mourn and cry for them, and they are trusty leaders to the countless masses they make wherever they go. As the manga points out, these are the proper qualities of a Conqueror, and someone to be King.

So to finish this last point, Mihawk most probably has Conqueror's Haki, but it is in no way a vital part of becoming a swordsman, thus it is meaningless to argue.
He correctly pointed out Luffy's ability to make friends, an ability he lacks, and is deeply tied to being a King.
Joyboy wanted to be "King".
Luffy wants to be "King of the Pirates".
Zoro became "King of Hell", when he abandoned his swordsmanship.
And Mihawk? He is the "World's Greatest Swordsman".

As Mihawk has pointed out, the path to becoming a King is far far different and more arduous than the path to become the World's Greatest.
A path he once tried to take, and abandoned.
all this just because you cant accept the fact Shanks's strength is nothing compared to Mihawk
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
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Unfortunately for you, Zoro’s goal isn’t to be the greatest Sword philosopher

Zoro’s goal is to be the WSS… the thing he said when he unlocked AdvCoC… The thing you’re saying he supposedly doesn’t care about by the mere virtue of unlocking AdvCoC… Literally ridiculous
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@park_min young and what’s the visual indicator of AcoC? As in what’s the indicator of AcoC that’s among all AcoC users every sing or times CoC is used and not shared by any other form of Haki usage in the series?

It’s been 2 years since the end of the Wano… We’ve had this argument on this website for literal years now… there is no visual indicator of anything in One piece… Oda refuses to be consistent with a single thing… stop pretending that you have seen this argument already

Kaido already said AcoA CANNOT SCAR HIM… He said it… it’s over… That’s simply the truth
Black lightning on the weapon or fist is acoc
 
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