Powers & Abilities Conquerors = non conquerors

[ArturCantSpeakJapanese]

For real.

Luffy vs Teach is willpower vs desire incarnate.

Luffy will ultimately have his Nika power rendered useless by Yami and will rely completely on Haki/willpower.

Teach in contrast will rely completely on the strongest Paramecia, Logia and Zoan, in other words fruits that are considered to be desires of past people.

Luffy would use a CoC level beyond advanced to single-handedly overpower top 3 strongest awakened fruits plus whatever CoA, CoO, guns, other weapons and tricks Teach has.

Haki surpasses all statement foreshadows that.

Teach will have it all. Remember his original name was Everything D. Teach. He will not be a df merchant, he will have the highest levels of every power that it is possible to get in the verse.

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There are no actual rules as to what makes someone a conqueror
Strength and ambition aren’t real factors

Ambition is, but Blackbeard's ambition is to rule the world. He's obviously a conqueror. One of the strongest.

 

[MonsterKaido]

Like look at Law and Kid. They are comparable yes but Law fighting is really polished. It's like he is approaching a wall. Kid is still very raw and with proper guidance he can further elevate himself by wielding the strongest power in the seas as per Kaido.

Not all coc users awaken adv coc. Take doffy or Kata for example.

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@EmperorKinyagi there s a chance midzaru awakens his coc at 60 years old

 

[Albino 👑]

Yeah it's entirely possible.
CoC is only a multiplier/amplifier afterall, so the end result heavily relies on the thing that gets amplified.
A shitty base punch would only become a stronger shitty base punch.

There are a lot of DF abilities and genetical make ups that are much more valuable and powerful than a weak CoC coated fighting style.
Law's ope no mi or Kuma's buccaneer strength are good examples for that.

CoC coating only really becomes op, when it's used to amplify advCoA hakiblasts. It's when non conquerors start to get humbled.

That’s why luffy is so unique being able to perfectly infuse his haki and special powers together. His 2 biggest obstacles to the one piece being haki man shanks and special powers man Blackbeard

That’s also not to say you can’t have op special powers + haki because we know that’s untrue with the admirals and emperor. Imo the main difference between them and someone like luffy is he combines his powers they stack it in a way

Teach will have it all. Remember his original name was Everything D. Teach. He will not be a df merchant, he will have the highest levels of every power that it is possible to get in the verse.

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Ambition is, but Blackbeard's ambition is to rule the world. He's obviously a conqueror. One of the strongest.

Honestly not really
There are extremely ambitious characters without it and not so ambitious characters with it. There really are no concrete rules

 

[Garps tekkai]

If you are weak you wouldn't be able to use acoc. There is a reason why kata, doffy and chin jao are not able to use this ability. And only when luffy's and zoro's haki bloomed they were able to use acoc.

So there is no weak coc coating. Only strong people can use acoc. Devil fruits on the other hand can be weak. Just like law's fruit. It was said that before punk hazard he was not able to cut vergo.

I said/meant a weak CoC coated fighting style = a weak fighting style that gets enhanced with CoC coating.

Besides the misunderstanding: What you said is not true. CoC coating can also be weak. Just because we have only seen it getting used by top tiers, it doesn't mean it cannot be used by someone weaker.
Someone can learn how to make their haki flow- it's normal practice for Wano's samurais and Kuja's Amazons for example. Technically kid Ace could have learned how to make his CoC flow upon awakening it back then, if he would have had the right teacher.
CoC coating can be super weak in theory. but also super strong. Just like DFs.

On average I'd say that a powerful A- or S-class DF is even much more valuable than CoC coating. Cause a haki user needs to grasp the concept of haki flow first, then needs to know that this concept is also applicable to CoC, he needs to have a strong fighting style in order for CoC coating to even matter much and then the character itself also has to be pretty powerful to have powerful haki in the first place.

It goes hard on top tier swordsmanship and advCoA haki blasts, but other than that it's ok. Yamato's lvl of CoC coating + blunt force <<< any S-class fruit for example.

 

[Jija]

I said/meant a weak CoC coated fighting style = a weak fighting style that gets enhanced with CoC coating.

Besides the misunderstanding: What you said is not true. CoC coating can also be weak. Just because we have only seen it getting used by top tiers, it doesn't mean it cannot be used by someone weaker.
Someone can learn how to make their haki flow- it's normal practice for Wano's samurais and Kuja's Amazons for example. Technically kid Ace could have learned how to make his CoC flow upon awakening it back then, if he would have had the right teacher.
CoC coating can be super weak in theory. but also super strong. Just like DFs.

On average I'd say that a powerful A- or S-class DF is even much more valuable than CoC coating. Cause a haki user needs to grasp the concept of haki flow first, then needs to know that this concept is also applicable to CoC, he needs to have a strong fighting style in order for CoC coating to even matter much and then the character itself also has to be pretty powerful to have powerful haki in the first place.

It goes hard on top tier swordsmanship and advCoA haki blasts, but other than that it's ok. Yamato's lvl of CoC coating + blunt force <<< any S-class fruit for example.

That's not true. If it would be like that then everybody and their mother would have it. There is no reason for rayleigh to not teach luffy it. It was a hard concept that kuja warriors probably studying since childhood.

And luffy was able to use it in dire situation once but was not able to use it again until training. Then again at rooftop despite being touched by thunder bagua he still didn't learn acoc. I doubt he dodged acoc part of thunder bagua. And only after being in dire situation again he was able to coat his attack with coc. Even kaido said that this can be used only by the handfull of the very strongest. So it clearly you need to be at curtain level to be able to use.

Also hancock despite being kuja and coc user still can not use acoc.

 

[Hyakujuu Kaido]

I don't think so and there are multiple hints of the opposite.

Not to mention would be very dumb having Chinjao or Katakuri, but not them.

what hints?
and what is the problem with chinjao and katakuri having coc over kizaru? it wont stop him from being way way stronger than them i think people are regarding coc as only way to be a top tier. some people go with that mindset and end up wanting their favorite character have it. it wont always turn out like that and we gotta accept that

 

[Oliver]

I agree in theory that non-conquerors would be more impressive than people who are 'chosen' but the fact is there is no one at the top tier of one piece who isn't a conqueror or chosen in some way.

And those are some pretty bad examples.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

I agree in theory that non-conquerors would be more impressive than people who are 'chosen' but the fact is there is no one at the top tier of one piece who isn't a conqueror or chosen in some way.

And those are some pretty bad examples.

Sakazuki? Blackbeard?

 

[ArturCantSpeakJapanese]

Sakazuki? Blackbeard?

both obviously have it

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

both obviously have it

Dumb

 

[Sir Yasheen]

both obviously have it

Neither have it so far and neither need it

 

[Blax Blah]

Something interesting is that when some people asked someone who worked on the episodes of the fight between Law and Blackbeard, and they asked if Blackbeard used conqueror's haki, the person who worked on the episodes said the depiction of haki depends usually on the dicrector but that armament haki is usually red, and in the fishman island new remaster, when Luffy one shots the pacifista at sabaody, there is red haki since he uses armament

 

[Oliver]

Sakazuki? Blackbeard?

Akainu is not on the level of any true top tier. If you think Shanks, Kaido or Big Mom for instance would do anything other than maul the fuck out of Akainu idk what to tell you.

Blackbeard most likely has it, but even if he doesn't he's still been born special, he's a D and his body can withstand multiple devil fruits

 

[Blax Blah]

I agree in theory that non-conquerors would be more impressive than people who are 'chosen' but the fact is there is no one at the top tier of one piece who isn't a conqueror or chosen in some way.

And those are some pretty bad examples.

Tama

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Smoker, Washigi, Helmeppo

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

Akainu is not on the level of any true top tier. If you think Shanks, Kaido or Big Mom for instance would do anything other than maul the fuck out of Akainu idk what to tell you.

Blackbeard most likely has it, but even if he doesn't he's still been born special, he's a D and his body can withstand multiple devil fruits

 

[SakazOuki]

Akainu is not on the level of any true top tier. If you think Shanks, Kaido or Big Mom for instance would do anything other than maul the fuck out of Akainu idk what to tell you.

Blackbeard most likely has it, but even if he doesn't he's still been born special, he's a D and his body can withstand multiple devil fruits

Good thing we still have retards like you, would not be the same otherwise

 

[Kiiro]

Nope. Prime conqueres are all above Yc1.

 

[Dragon777]

what hints?

About the Admirals? Plenty.

Fuji Is a part of a group (Saijo users) that simply has a 100% rate of CoC users. I don't see why Fuji should be the first case of the manga aside from people not wanting him to have It.

Ryokugyu has a black Blade, which basically anyone connect to CoC too based on Zoro's power up journey.

Akainu Is a 5B individual and one of Luffy adversary; how can he not have CoC?
More so, considering the last FA had It.

Kuzan has fought on par with Akainu and when he and Garp hit each other the visual were just the same. More so since he Is Garp's disciple.

Koby, one who dreams to be an Admiral, already has CoC or at worst is going to have It. So, being an Admiral Is a kingly ambition.

And as I said, we already had marines with CoC and id Fujitora has It for example, why not Kuzan too, aside from the hints he already has? And so on.

and what is the problem with chinjao and katakuri having coc over kizaru? it wont stop him from being way way stronger than them i think people are regarding coc as only way to be a top tier. some people go with that mindset and end up wanting their favorite character have it. it wont always turn out like that and we gotta accept that

I agree on some things, but the problem Is that for those people, with those positions, would be simply laughable if Chinjao has It and they don't.

 

[Wh1p]

advcoc users have an edge over others in combat but yes they are comparable on a general level. Blackbeard has multiple fruits he's an exception not an example of the rule.