Powers & Abilities Considering Shanks' mastery of divine departure
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WORLDS STRONGEST is entirely due to strength, it’s a strength based title. That’s tha only requirement to hold a WORLDS STRONGEST title. Territory/allies/influence don’t matter, only individual strength
So yea, we don’t know who Mihawk fought outside of Shanks. But his title as WSS dictates that tha people in tha verse accept that until proven otherwise, his INDIVIDUAL strength supersedes any and all other swordsmen
So yea, we don’t know who Mihawk fought outside of Shanks. But his title as WSS dictates that tha people in tha verse accept that until proven otherwise, his INDIVIDUAL strength supersedes any and all other swordsmen
But how you interpret a swordsman is just anybody with a sword, right? You don't understand simple stuff like the swordsman's code, yet you're here telling us how swordsmen work. Yeah.
Yes. I know for a fact the average person here can't read or write or do math at a highschool level. It's just a bunch of illiterate people.
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Yes. I know for a fact the average person here can't read or write or do math at a highschool level. It's just a bunch of illiterate people.
Did you just say someone's job can't be being a pirate if they are not after being the PK? And Pedro, or WB's job is not being a pirate? 
1- Assuming Mihawk wasn't betrayed for being WGS, which would be retarded, why would anyone care or give af about someone being WGS and try to stop that, obviously Mihawk was betrayed while trying to accomplish his goal as a pirate. He failed there and take the L.
2- So we know once Mihawk was betrayed while being a pirate, he failed, started to hunt Marines to get revenge. But in the end, he failed about that as well since Government offered him to be their Warlord dog instead and he accepted to be a Warlord of the Government. If Government blackmailed Mihawk like they did to Kuma, then that would be understandable, but nope, Mihawk simply gave up, accepted his defeat, and decided to be Government dog.
3- Then Government decided to break their deal with Mihawk and didn't hesitate to make Mihawk their enemy and attack his island, Mihawk was forced to be an equal partner with Croc and underling to Buggy.
No special treatment for Mihawk from Government once the deal was broken, he was treated same as other Warlords.
Pirate Mihawk is a 3 times loser, Great Pirates are much superior and more important for the story as Oda confirmed, so much that Mihawk is hiding behind the title of an Emperor.
1- Assuming Mihawk wasn't betrayed for being WGS, which would be retarded, why would anyone care or give af about someone being WGS and try to stop that, obviously Mihawk was betrayed while trying to accomplish his goal as a pirate. He failed there and take the L.
2- So we know once Mihawk was betrayed while being a pirate, he failed, started to hunt Marines to get revenge. But in the end, he failed about that as well since Government offered him to be their Warlord dog instead and he accepted to be a Warlord of the Government. If Government blackmailed Mihawk like they did to Kuma, then that would be understandable, but nope, Mihawk simply gave up, accepted his defeat, and decided to be Government dog.
3- Then Government decided to break their deal with Mihawk and didn't hesitate to make Mihawk their enemy and attack his island, Mihawk was forced to be an equal partner with Croc and underling to Buggy.
No special treatment for Mihawk from Government once the deal was broken, he was treated same as other Warlords.Pirate Mihawk is a 3 times loser, Great Pirates are much superior and more important for the story as Oda confirmed, so much that Mihawk is hiding behind the title of an Emperor.
You just admitted you don't believe there is one and even if I showed you things related to it you'd just deny them because of your perception.
Zoro has a nickname. It's "Mr. Bushido."
Zoro went to Isshin Dojo (a Kenjutsu school) as a child and that's where he learned the Japanese swordsmanship art of the samurai along with it.
Bushido is the code of conduct for the samurai class in premodern Japan, and kenjutsu is the swordsmanship that samurai were trained in:
Bushido
The code of conduct for the samurai, or bushi (warrior), class of premodern Japan. Bushido is rooted in Buddhist and Confucian philosophies, and emphasizes virtues such as honor, integrity, self-mastery, justice, courage, benevolence, politeness, and self-control.
Kenjutsu
The swordsmanship that samurai were trained in. Kenjutsu is imbued with a rich philosophical and spiritual tradition, and practitioners emphasize principles such as honor, integrity, and self-mastery. The exact activities and conventions undertaken when practicing kenjutsu vary from school to school.
This should help to clarify what a swordsman's code of honor is and how it applies in the story. Certainly not everybody uses the same kind Zoro does, and some swordsmen have no code of conduct at all, but the actual idea behind this is that there are forms of innate knowledge associated with these things.
"He's a stinkin' aggressive pirate swordsman who practices the Three-Sword Style."
I just thought this would be supportive to post for those who were arguing about whether Zoro can be considered a pirate or a swordsman. He's both.
Bushido guys tend to have a habit of announcing their names before they fight and stuff like that for honor. They encourage admitting defeat gracefully to maintain integrity, too. It's not good form to be sour after a duel. Mihawk had recognized qualities in Zoro that stem from Bushido and deemed him a strong person because of it. Though, I think that just means he identifies a strong will with a strong sense of moral principles or something.
If there is a style of swordsmanship, then it has usually been learned somewhere and that place will often have a code of conduct paired with it in the same way Bushido and Kenjutsu are paired. Mihawk has his own sense of it. The issue with him concerning this is that we don't know where he came from or what he learned, so we assume he has no particular style or code of conduct. We can, however, assume that they will often bear similarities to each other despite the cultural background involved with their development.
Something to note about all this is that Shanks was a baby when the Roger Pirates found him. He wouldn't have had a chance to go to a school to learn swordsmanship. He was with them. If he did learn it, then he learned it from people like Rayleigh is what I'd assume. Rayleigh is a good teacher, but what kind of swordsmanship do either of them really use and what kind did Shanks adopt? What kind of values did they teach him as a swordsman? As a pirate, Shanks understands you can't say "that was unfair" if you lose a pirate fight, but swordsmen may say that in a swordsman's duel it's dishonorable to use things like subterfuge. In fact, that's how Oden got beaten by Kaido. He didn't expect someone to use subterfuge against him.
Subterfuge = using deceit to achieve goals
- Oden was deceived into believing Momonosuke's life was in danger, but this was the result of a Devil Fruit user's ability being weaponized against him the moment before he nearly defeated Kaido.
Subterfuge is highly against the honor code for bushido practitioners. It is a dishonorable act according to their beliefs.
Zoro has a nickname. It's "Mr. Bushido."
Zoro went to Isshin Dojo (a Kenjutsu school) as a child and that's where he learned the Japanese swordsmanship art of the samurai along with it.
Bushido is the code of conduct for the samurai class in premodern Japan, and kenjutsu is the swordsmanship that samurai were trained in:
Bushido
The code of conduct for the samurai, or bushi (warrior), class of premodern Japan. Bushido is rooted in Buddhist and Confucian philosophies, and emphasizes virtues such as honor, integrity, self-mastery, justice, courage, benevolence, politeness, and self-control.
Kenjutsu
The swordsmanship that samurai were trained in. Kenjutsu is imbued with a rich philosophical and spiritual tradition, and practitioners emphasize principles such as honor, integrity, and self-mastery. The exact activities and conventions undertaken when practicing kenjutsu vary from school to school.
This should help to clarify what a swordsman's code of honor is and how it applies in the story. Certainly not everybody uses the same kind Zoro does, and some swordsmen have no code of conduct at all, but the actual idea behind this is that there are forms of innate knowledge associated with these things.
"He's a stinkin' aggressive pirate swordsman who practices the Three-Sword Style."
I just thought this would be supportive to post for those who were arguing about whether Zoro can be considered a pirate or a swordsman. He's both.
Bushido guys tend to have a habit of announcing their names before they fight and stuff like that for honor. They encourage admitting defeat gracefully to maintain integrity, too. It's not good form to be sour after a duel. Mihawk had recognized qualities in Zoro that stem from Bushido and deemed him a strong person because of it. Though, I think that just means he identifies a strong will with a strong sense of moral principles or something.
If there is a style of swordsmanship, then it has usually been learned somewhere and that place will often have a code of conduct paired with it in the same way Bushido and Kenjutsu are paired. Mihawk has his own sense of it. The issue with him concerning this is that we don't know where he came from or what he learned, so we assume he has no particular style or code of conduct. We can, however, assume that they will often bear similarities to each other despite the cultural background involved with their development.
Something to note about all this is that Shanks was a baby when the Roger Pirates found him. He wouldn't have had a chance to go to a school to learn swordsmanship. He was with them. If he did learn it, then he learned it from people like Rayleigh is what I'd assume. Rayleigh is a good teacher, but what kind of swordsmanship do either of them really use and what kind did Shanks adopt? What kind of values did they teach him as a swordsman? As a pirate, Shanks understands you can't say "that was unfair" if you lose a pirate fight, but swordsmen may say that in a swordsman's duel it's dishonorable to use things like subterfuge. In fact, that's how Oden got beaten by Kaido. He didn't expect someone to use subterfuge against him.
Subterfuge = using deceit to achieve goals
- Oden was deceived into believing Momonosuke's life was in danger, but this was the result of a Devil Fruit user's ability being weaponized against him the moment before he nearly defeated Kaido.
Subterfuge is highly against the honor code for bushido practitioners. It is a dishonorable act according to their beliefs.
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In most cases, this refers to a "wild blade" meaning someone using proper sword techniques without a code of conduct.
This guy is a good example of it. Shanks, on the other hand, seems to have a strong sense of morals. It's just not the swordsman's kind.
Hakuba is a more extreme example of it. These guys tend to be evil and fight indiscriminately lol
This guy is a good example of it. Shanks, on the other hand, seems to have a strong sense of morals. It's just not the swordsman's kind.
Hakuba is a more extreme example of it. These guys tend to be evil and fight indiscriminately lol
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- Literally reaches for his sword in every potential combat situation.
- Never used another style on panel < shouldn't even have been a question after this point
- Has swords on his Jolly Roger like Zoro would.
- Had a duel with the current stongest swordsman that even someone like WB took note of and is bascially what first comes to mind when talking to Shanks.
- Uses a named attack that he learned from another guy who loved his sword so much he named his kid after it
- When Brannnew(who seems to be in the know) thinks about highest levels of swordsmanship in the world, Shanks is the name that he comes up with.
Did you just say someone's job can't be being a pirate if they are not after being the PK? And Pedro, or WB's job is not being a pirate?
1- Assuming Mihawk wasn't betrayed for being WGS, which would be retarded, why would anyone care or give af about someone being WGS and try to stop that, obviously Mihawk was betrayed while trying to accomplish his goal as a pirate. He failed there and take the L.
2- So we know once Mihawk was betrayed while being a pirate, he failed, started to hunt Marines to get revenge. But in the end, he failed about that as well since Government offered him to be their Warlord dog instead and he accepted to be a Warlord of the Government. If Government blackmailed Mihawk like they did to Kuma, then that would be understandable, but nope, Mihawk simply gave up, accepted his defeat, and decided to be Government dog.
3- Then Government decided to break their deal with Mihawk and didn't hesitate to make Mihawk their enemy and attack his island, Mihawk was forced to be an equal partner with Croc and underling to Buggy. No special treatment for Mihawk from Government once the deal was broken, he was treated same as other Warlords.
Pirate Mihawk is a 3 times loser, Great Pirates are much superior and more important for the story as Oda confirmed, so much that Mihawk is hiding behind the title of an Emperor.
1- Assuming Mihawk wasn't betrayed for being WGS, which would be retarded, why would anyone care or give af about someone being WGS and try to stop that, obviously Mihawk was betrayed while trying to accomplish his goal as a pirate. He failed there and take the L.
2- So we know once Mihawk was betrayed while being a pirate, he failed, started to hunt Marines to get revenge. But in the end, he failed about that as well since Government offered him to be their Warlord dog instead and he accepted to be a Warlord of the Government. If Government blackmailed Mihawk like they did to Kuma, then that would be understandable, but nope, Mihawk simply gave up, accepted his defeat, and decided to be Government dog.
3- Then Government decided to break their deal with Mihawk and didn't hesitate to make Mihawk their enemy and attack his island, Mihawk was forced to be an equal partner with Croc and underling to Buggy.
No special treatment for Mihawk from Government once the deal was broken, he was treated same as other Warlords.Pirate Mihawk is a 3 times loser, Great Pirates are much superior and more important for the story as Oda confirmed, so much that Mihawk is hiding behind the title of an Emperor.
eat it if you must
You just admitted you don't believe there is one and even if I showed you things related to it you'd just deny them because of your perception.
Zoro has a nickname. It's "Mr. Bushido."
Zoro went to Isshin Dojo (a Kenjutsu school) as a child and that's where he learned the Japanese swordsmanship art of the samurai along with it.
Bushido is the code of conduct for the samurai class in premodern Japan, and kenjutsu is the swordsmanship that samurai were trained in:
Bushido
The code of conduct for the samurai, or bushi (warrior), class of premodern Japan. Bushido is rooted in Buddhist and Confucian philosophies, and emphasizes virtues such as honor, integrity, self-mastery, justice, courage, benevolence, politeness, and self-control.
Kenjutsu
The swordsmanship that samurai were trained in. Kenjutsu is imbued with a rich philosophical and spiritual tradition, and practitioners emphasize principles such as honor, integrity, and self-mastery. The exact activities and conventions undertaken when practicing kenjutsu vary from school to school.
This should help to clarify what a swordsman's code of honor is and how it applies in the story. Certainly not everybody uses the same kind Zoro does, and some swordsmen have no code of conduct at all, but the actual idea behind this is that there are forms of innate knowledge associated with these things.
"He's a stinkin' aggressive pirate swordsman who practices the Three-Sword Style."
I just thought this would be supportive to post for those who were arguing about whether Zoro can be considered a pirate or a swordsman. He's both.
Bushido guys tend to have a habit of announcing their names before they fight and stuff like that for honor. They encourage admitting defeat gracefully to maintain integrity, too. It's not good form to be sour after a duel. Mihawk had recognized qualities in Zoro that stem from Bushido and deemed him a strong person because of it. Though, I think that just means he identifies a strong will with a strong sense of moral principles or something.
If there is a style of swordsmanship, then it has usually been learned somewhere and that place will often have a code of conduct paired with it in the same way Bushido and Kenjutsu are paired. Mihawk has his own sense of it. The issue with him concerning this is that we don't know where he came from or what he learned, so we assume he has no particular style or code of conduct. We can, however, assume that they will often bear similarities to each other despite the cultural background involved with their development.
Something to note about all this is that Shanks was a baby when the Roger Pirates found him. He wouldn't have had a chance to go to a school to learn swordsmanship. He was with them. If he did learn it, then he learned it from people like Rayleigh is what I'd assume. Rayleigh is a good teacher, but what kind of swordsmanship do either of them really use and what kind did Shanks adopt? What kind of values did they teach him as a swordsman? As a pirate, Shanks understands you can't say "that was unfair" if you lose a pirate fight, but swordsmen may say that in a swordsman's duel it's dishonorable to use things like subterfuge. In fact, that's how Oden got beaten by Kaido. He didn't expect someone to use subterfuge against him.
Subterfuge = using deceit to achieve goals
- Oden was deceived into believing Momonosuke's life was in danger, but this was the result of a Devil Fruit user's ability being weaponized against him the moment before he nearly defeated Kaido.
Subterfuge is highly against the honor code for bushido practitioners. It is a dishonorable act according to their beliefs.
Zoro has a nickname. It's "Mr. Bushido."
Zoro went to Isshin Dojo (a Kenjutsu school) as a child and that's where he learned the Japanese swordsmanship art of the samurai along with it.
Bushido is the code of conduct for the samurai class in premodern Japan, and kenjutsu is the swordsmanship that samurai were trained in:
Bushido
The code of conduct for the samurai, or bushi (warrior), class of premodern Japan. Bushido is rooted in Buddhist and Confucian philosophies, and emphasizes virtues such as honor, integrity, self-mastery, justice, courage, benevolence, politeness, and self-control.
Kenjutsu
The swordsmanship that samurai were trained in. Kenjutsu is imbued with a rich philosophical and spiritual tradition, and practitioners emphasize principles such as honor, integrity, and self-mastery. The exact activities and conventions undertaken when practicing kenjutsu vary from school to school.
This should help to clarify what a swordsman's code of honor is and how it applies in the story. Certainly not everybody uses the same kind Zoro does, and some swordsmen have no code of conduct at all, but the actual idea behind this is that there are forms of innate knowledge associated with these things.
"He's a stinkin' aggressive pirate swordsman who practices the Three-Sword Style."
I just thought this would be supportive to post for those who were arguing about whether Zoro can be considered a pirate or a swordsman. He's both.
Bushido guys tend to have a habit of announcing their names before they fight and stuff like that for honor. They encourage admitting defeat gracefully to maintain integrity, too. It's not good form to be sour after a duel. Mihawk had recognized qualities in Zoro that stem from Bushido and deemed him a strong person because of it. Though, I think that just means he identifies a strong will with a strong sense of moral principles or something.
If there is a style of swordsmanship, then it has usually been learned somewhere and that place will often have a code of conduct paired with it in the same way Bushido and Kenjutsu are paired. Mihawk has his own sense of it. The issue with him concerning this is that we don't know where he came from or what he learned, so we assume he has no particular style or code of conduct. We can, however, assume that they will often bear similarities to each other despite the cultural background involved with their development.
Something to note about all this is that Shanks was a baby when the Roger Pirates found him. He wouldn't have had a chance to go to a school to learn swordsmanship. He was with them. If he did learn it, then he learned it from people like Rayleigh is what I'd assume. Rayleigh is a good teacher, but what kind of swordsmanship do either of them really use and what kind did Shanks adopt? What kind of values did they teach him as a swordsman? As a pirate, Shanks understands you can't say "that was unfair" if you lose a pirate fight, but swordsmen may say that in a swordsman's duel it's dishonorable to use things like subterfuge. In fact, that's how Oden got beaten by Kaido. He didn't expect someone to use subterfuge against him.
Subterfuge = using deceit to achieve goals
- Oden was deceived into believing Momonosuke's life was in danger, but this was the result of a Devil Fruit user's ability being weaponized against him the moment before he nearly defeated Kaido.
Subterfuge is highly against the honor code for bushido practitioners. It is a dishonorable act according to their beliefs.