Powers & Abilities Could it be that Zoro actually did go all out in dressrosa? Zoro doesn't know how to use asura

zoro took killer down with less effort
guess killer < pica
seeing how kinemon reacted to pica
and knowing kinemon made kaido scream
perhaps we should visit pica's powerlevel again lmao.
Pica is a solid YC1 level character any one who thinks Pica is weak is a pathetic fat nasty mother basement dwelling kissless virgin neckbeard who is forever deprived of pussy.
 
we have too much free time with too little thing to discuss:smithnie:

kinda side effect of a long running series i guess. almost needs a whole month or more of chapter release to have enough stuffs to talk about maybe for 1 day. then we go back to old stuffs and rehash the 100yrs old topics:josad:
The Sanji v Zoros... I get, rivalries dont get old so any argument from a S or Z can come up... but this... if ODA wanted Zoro to go all out, he would have shown him cut up and nearly dead like in Alabasta or Enies, not here be he barely got scraped and treated pica like a joke
 
The Sanji v Zoros... I get, rivalries dont get old so any argument from a S or Z can come up... but this... if ODA wanted Zoro to go all out, he would have shown him cut up and nearly dead like in Alabasta or Enies, not here be he barely got scraped and treated pica like a joke
maybe we are really bored? maybe some folks believe in OP's topic? i dunno. :kayneshrug:
imo we still need like 7~10 more chap to have any fruitful discussion unless we get another FB then might as well wait for next year:pepecry:
 
TBH, It's doubtful he went all out, But in the same breath I doubt he wasn't almost at his limit.
Why? Nothing indicates so.

It's even said that Picca was way below his level.

Are you on board on pushing an idea that says Zoro went all out against someone who was way below his league?

Such thought must agree with things like Killer <Picca, Killer < Surume (that kraken) ...
 
Why? Nothing indicates so.

It's even said that Picca was way below his level.

Are you on board on pushing an idea that says Zoro went all out against someone who was way below his league?
Pica himself is not on Zoro's level. But dealing with the Stone Giant took it's toll. It took Zoro way to much time for me to consider him above so high as most of the zoro fans like to believe.
 
Pica himself is not on Zoro's level. But dealing with the Stone Giant took it's toll. It took Zoro way to much time for me to consider him above so high as most of the zoro fans like to believe.
It took too much to beat Cesar as well bro.

Yet we all agree Luffy trashes him right?

Oda was the one that make Zoro say that Picca is below his league ....
So why you blame fans ?
 
But can you measure the actual margin of difference in strength? G4 Luffy rocks Doffy whether Law helped or not.

And its arguable that Luffy can also only beat Zoro with G4.

See that?

And I dont believe Pica even requires G4. Luffy can match Pica's mobility with his rubber powers which is Pica's big advantage over Zoro and gear third can already destroy the stone thoroughly.

In the end, Doffy whether with Laws interference or not is still outmatched by Gear fourth. Luffy can't beat Zoro without G4. Luffy can beat Pica without G4.

The power differences here are still staggering. The power difference between someone who can be beaten by G3 and someone who can ONLY be beaten by G4 is still enough to create a mid diff.

Luffy mid diffs Pica at best, and probably low diffs him since Pica doesn't have the mobility advantage. Zoro mid diffed Pica.

I won't say any of this is concrete of course since power scaling is tiresome but you keep asking for a NARATIVE REASON.

The NARATTIVE REASON is that Zoro is too close to Luffy in strength and that's intentionally supposes to be different from every other crew. So the people Zoro fights end up having stuff like ONE STAT stat very much above Zoro in order for the fight to be interesting without wholeheartedly saying the person Zoro fights is also close in strength to the Luffy's opponent because again, that's not supposed to happen on the enemy side.

I've tried to do power scaling as well but you can ignore it if that's not what you're looking for. Generally I don't see Doffy having been that much stronger than Luffy even if Law helped.
But doffy wasn't outmatched by gear 4th. Once he used awakening, Luffy couldn't do a damn thing for 20 minutes. We even saw that doffy's awakening was strong enough to block double culverin.
 
It ended fast ?

Cesar took Luffy out.

Nobody knew Pica DF neither or the capacities of it.
My post got cut off somehow.
Luffy's 3rd meeting of Caesar, Luffy Punked Caesar like a bitch. No time was actually spent on fighting him. Not the case with Zoro.
His 2nd meeting was him just learning his DF. 1st meeting of Caesar he goes down; Like Haxx DF sugar, he can deprive you of oxygen, It's not fair to call those actual fights.

Zoro spent his fair share of time fighting Pica but still took to long to accomplish what should of been a much more simpler affare. A display of what a YC would do.
Instead you get people over exaggerating Pica to make Zoro look more impressive.
 
My post got cut off somehow.
Luffy's 3rd meeting of Caesar, Luffy Punked Caesar like a bitch. No time was actually spent on fighting him. Not the case with Zoro.
His 2nd meeting was him just learning his DF. 1st meeting of Caesar he goes down; Like Haxx DF sugar, he can deprive you of oxygen, It's not fair to call those actual fights.

Zoro spent his fair share of time fighting Pica but still took to long to accomplish what should of been a much more simpler affare. A display of what a YC would do.
Instead you get people over exaggerating Pica to make Zoro look more impressive.
"It's not fair call X"

I mean Picca knew Zoro was a threat and he started to run away and avoid any close encounter .

Zoro isolated and dispatched Picca in a move so what ?

With a move that was used against Surume even(kraken).


A display of a YC would do ?
I mean like smoothie?
wew


Tell me do you agree with Picca> Killer ,Surume > killer too ?
 
"It's not fair call X"

I mean Picca knew Zoro was a threat and he started to run away and avoid any close encounter .

Zoro isolated and dispatched Picca in a move so what ?

With a move that was used against Surume even(kraken).


A display of a YC would do ?
I mean like smoothie?
wew


Tell me do you agree with Picca> Killer ,Surume > killer too ?
Zoro isolated? Yeah after how long? Stop trying to miss the point. A move? Not just any move, btw. But to even reach Pica he had to get Orlumbus to throw him, Something I don't see any YC needing as they would generally be able to handle it alone.
And what do Surume and Golem Pica have in common? Their size. Bigger Target needs a bigger attack/Move.
 
Zoro isolated? Yeah after how long? Stop trying to miss the point. A move? Not just any move, btw. But to even reach Pica he had to get Orlumbus to throw him, Something I don't see any YC needing as they would generally be able to handle it alone.
And what do Surume and Golem Pica have in common? Their size. Bigger Target needs a bigger attack/Move.
It was a single move for the real body .

Did you see more if so pls post them.

Orlumbus throw him cuz he would need to reach Picca on TIME(not cuz Z was unable to isolate him) did you miss Picca threatening to kill Rikku,Ussop and others ?

A YC this and that pfff we saw a Smoothie in WCI.

Cry me a river.


Bro just say Picca > Killer ,Surume > Killer ...
wew
 
It was a single move for the real body .

Did you see more if so pls post them.

Orlumbus throw him cuz he would need to reach Picca on TIME(not cuz Z was unable to isolate him) did you miss Picca threatening to kill Rikku,Ussop and others ?

A YC this and that pfff we saw a Smoothie in WCI.

Cry me a river.


Bro just say Picca > Killer ,Surume > Killer ...
wew
He did his big slash for the body of the Golem; then used more unnamed slashes to isolate Pica. Your defending Zoro needing Orlumbus's throw because of time, dude really? I've argued that he shouldn't have had to, unable to isolate him? HAHA He couldn't Isolate him that's the whole fucking point. You really have no ground to stand on here.

You guys bash Smoothie for no real reason, except because of off-paneling and PiS, and the over exaggerated Door shit. When you try that shit, You just lose the argument because there's nothing meaningful here. No fights happened. I.E. not very reliable info to go on.

Cry you a river? lol grow up.
 
Again, Law was supposed to be Doffy's Zoro. He was training Law to be his RHM. Vergo is Doffy's Sanji.

Doffy's Monster Trio is Doffy/Law/Vergo. His mid trio is Pica/Trebol/Diamante. All at 99 mill frozen bounty.

Pica in reality should be like what Cracker is to Big Mom, Jack is to Kaido, Blueno is to Rob Lucci, or Franky (General?) is to Luffy.
 
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But Luffy is not Zoro. He has a DF which he must train. Even preskip , Zoro wasn't using Asura in order to be comparable to G3/G2...he was already comparable without Asura.


I still do not see the issue. What does Zoro going all out have to do with anything...why is it needed?

I don't see anything wrong with how Oda has portrayed Zoro. It could very well be that there wasn't an opponent on DR suitable for Zoro to go all out on. The moment Zoro pushed back an admiral and countered the admiral's attack, that was the moment you should've known that there wasn't going be an enemy among DD's underlings who will push Zoro to go all out.
But needed help from 2 people, flashback, many chapters and his best attacks + COA to just beat Pica

he popped veins and was huffing but Zoro didn't show everything coz you didn't see Zoro get hurt by Pica.

Zoro struggled and needed high diff effort to beat Pica who's equal to Trebol and Diamante
But doffy wasn't outmatched by gear 4th. Once he used awakening, Luffy couldn't do a damn thing for 20 minutes. We even saw that doffy's awakening was strong enough to block double culverin.
That's because Luffy never fought an Awakened Paramecia before, once he adapted properly, he trashed Awakened Doffy, a mere headbutt broke its defence.
 
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