Speculations Could Katakuri be Luffy's whitebeard?
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All this debate and the answer is still Law. Just a reminder that we have an in story implication that at one point, Whitebeard was not as strong as Roger, given that Roger teamed with Garp and beat a man that Whitebeard himself was a subordinate to. Which means that at that point, Whitebeard was not as strong as Roger, but developed that strength later on and they vaulted each other to the top. Law’s perceived strength now doesn’t matter, it doesn’t mean he can’t get just as strong later, like it seems Whitebeard was implied to do. Law is in the ballpark now and will only get stronger.
And that’s without mentioning another parallel, that Luffy beat Law’s former captain, just as Roger did for Whitebeard.
And that’s without mentioning another parallel, that Luffy beat Law’s former captain, just as Roger did for Whitebeard.
speculation law reaching yonko level is reasonable
speculation here as being wb however implies he equals luffy at the peak of his strength . bs writing to have law reach the same level as luffy without at least telling us what he did to accomplish it. mc bias aside if we have luffy do a lot more than law versus kaido and possibly take down bb solo , why should law legitmately and logically be placed on a similar plane without coming close to do any of that at all . To sell a narrative that law is his wb ?
here are the facts
law is a D , wb isnt.
No COC .
at no point was roger , wb allied .
strongest paramecia wb had is in the hands of bb now.
Wb goal to have a family isnt something law seems to mirror at all. infact while luffy goes out of his way to help people like wb law does not at all cause it may sabotage the plan with kaido
again
its a forced parallel. same thing with kid shiki .
basis for law or katakuri as wb is simply them being potential rivals but friends to luffy and thats all.
"So it’s not far fetched to suppose Law could get close to Luffy’s level through training."
great then lets have the pk do that
instead of struggling against yonkos .
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people are forcing parallels everywhere and am sick of it
kid isnt shiki
zoro isnt rayleigh
smoker isnt garp (again this forced parallel was the reason for garp downplay early on)
and law isnt wb
luffy wouldnt have an equal eos
he would surpass the emperors and the admirals
he isnt roger
his story wouldnt exacty mirror roger's
his great rival would be bb in that same generation with a crew that could go toe to toe with his
and not scrubs.
speculation here as being wb however implies he equals luffy at the peak of his strength . bs writing to have law reach the same level as luffy without at least telling us what he did to accomplish it. mc bias aside if we have luffy do a lot more than law versus kaido and possibly take down bb solo , why should law legitmately and logically be placed on a similar plane without coming close to do any of that at all . To sell a narrative that law is his wb ?
here are the facts
law is a D , wb isnt.
No COC .
at no point was roger , wb allied .
strongest paramecia wb had is in the hands of bb now.
Wb goal to have a family isnt something law seems to mirror at all. infact while luffy goes out of his way to help people like wb law does not at all cause it may sabotage the plan with kaido
again
its a forced parallel. same thing with kid shiki .
basis for law or katakuri as wb is simply them being potential rivals but friends to luffy and thats all.
"So it’s not far fetched to suppose Law could get close to Luffy’s level through training."
great then lets have the pk do that
instead of struggling against yonkos .
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people are forcing parallels everywhere and am sick of it
kid isnt shiki
zoro isnt rayleigh
smoker isnt garp (again this forced parallel was the reason for garp downplay early on)
and law isnt wb
luffy wouldnt have an equal eos
he would surpass the emperors and the admirals
he isnt roger
his story wouldnt exacty mirror roger's
his great rival would be bb in that same generation with a crew that could go toe to toe with his
and not scrubs.
You’ve used an example to disprove something but failed to disprove the said thing by using an inaccurate example that has been invalidated. So you can’t just conclude that "it doesn’t change anything". It’s basically like saying "You’re wrong, I’m gonna show you why, actually I didn’t show anything but you’re wrong anyway". You have to prove your point with a valid example.
I don’t see how a villain can be Luffy’s Whitebeard. To be Luffy’s WB, you have to be his long term friend and rival. Blackbeard is just a huge threat to the world and is bound to be defeated sooner or later. Like a certain Xebec, whose Blackbeard’s ship is named after.
I don’t see how a villain can be Luffy’s Whitebeard. To be Luffy’s WB, you have to be his long term friend and rival. Blackbeard is just a huge threat to the world and is bound to be defeated sooner or later. Like a certain Xebec, whose Blackbeard’s ship is named after.
You're trying to sell us on Law being Whitebeard 2.0, and so far, none of your examples hold any weight. They have vaguely similar things, which could apply to other characters, but they're not symbolizing the same thing. Rayleigh's short flashback of Roger's recruitment shows us a familiar start for the Roger Pirates; that's a parallel.
Luffy and Blackbeard is a twisted take on Roger and Whitebeard. Blackbeard is the yin to Whitebeard's yang, and it's in their epithets. Blackbeard will be the silver medalist of this generation and was hyped as becoming a comparable threat to Shirohige. Stuffing him in a box with Xebec and "but he's evil!" doesn't undermine the parallel in the least bit.
Luffy and Blackbeard is a twisted take on Roger and Whitebeard. Blackbeard is the yin to Whitebeard's yang, and it's in their epithets. Blackbeard will be the silver medalist of this generation and was hyped as becoming a comparable threat to Shirohige. Stuffing him in a box with Xebec and "but he's evil!" doesn't undermine the parallel in the least bit.
BB is luffy's wb's of this gen. No one else comes within a mile of this. Kata won't be near luffy's level nor will he have a crew if he even gains 1 near luffy's. Also for the law is Luffy wb i honestly don't get it. There is nothing not crew not power not status not portrayal not anything. Law at best will be a good ally to luffy eos and at worst betrays him and get neg diff along with his fodder crew.
I’m not trying to sell you on anything, I’ve elaborated on my point of view.
There’s obviously a parallel between Blackbeard and Whitebeard to some extent, but saying he’s Luffy’s Whitebeard makes no sense to me because he’d have to have the same dynamic and relationship with Luffy, which is not the case. Blackbeard being Luffy’s Rocks makes more sense because of his role in the story. Both give this "world’s greatest threat" vibes, both are D members, one is named Xebec and the other’s ship’s name is "Saber of Xebec".
So yes, Blackbeard can be seen as an evil version of Whitebeard, but he’s not strictly speaking Luffy’s Whitebeard because his role in the story prevents him from being that.
However, we can’t discard the possibility of Luffy and Blackbeard teaming up in Mary Geoise to take down Imu. In which case, Blackbeard’s redemption wouldn’t be beyond the realm of possibility. That would completely reshuffle the cards.
There’s obviously a parallel between Blackbeard and Whitebeard to some extent, but saying he’s Luffy’s Whitebeard makes no sense to me because he’d have to have the same dynamic and relationship with Luffy, which is not the case. Blackbeard being Luffy’s Rocks makes more sense because of his role in the story. Both give this "world’s greatest threat" vibes, both are D members, one is named Xebec and the other’s ship’s name is "Saber of Xebec".
So yes, Blackbeard can be seen as an evil version of Whitebeard, but he’s not strictly speaking Luffy’s Whitebeard because his role in the story prevents him from being that.
However, we can’t discard the possibility of Luffy and Blackbeard teaming up in Mary Geoise to take down Imu. In which case, Blackbeard’s redemption wouldn’t be beyond the realm of possibility. That would completely reshuffle the cards.
There are a few things wrong with your view point.
1. You are acting like this gens wb NEEDS to have the same dynamics when it does not. BB is just a dark wb and if wb was dark him and roger would have never gotten along so how do you expect luffy to with bb?
2. BB can't be rocks as rocks was the gen before rogers. By beating him roger brought in his gen. BB is part of luffy's gen. If anything kaido can be his rocks as taking him out will open a hole for the rest of luffys gen and luffy himself as the sea is wide open. Not to mention he runs his crew similar to the rocks pirates and with bm are already being called rocks. So no it actually doesn't make sense for bb to be xebec/rocks when he does nothing like the guy but maybe is related to him or has his df.
1. You are acting like this gens wb NEEDS to have the same dynamics when it does not. BB is just a dark wb and if wb was dark him and roger would have never gotten along so how do you expect luffy to with bb?
2. BB can't be rocks as rocks was the gen before rogers. By beating him roger brought in his gen. BB is part of luffy's gen. If anything kaido can be his rocks as taking him out will open a hole for the rest of luffys gen and luffy himself as the sea is wide open. Not to mention he runs his crew similar to the rocks pirates and with bm are already being called rocks. So no it actually doesn't make sense for bb to be xebec/rocks when he does nothing like the guy but maybe is related to him or has his df.
So Teach, who has the two most powerful fruits in the series and is evil incarnate, is more likely to be Whitebeard to Luffy rather than Rox, despite that Rox was the worst person walking and despite Teach being two and a half decades older than Luffy, while Roger and Whitebeard were close to the same age and while Whitebeard was generally a good dude?
Part of the thing with Roger and Whitebeard was that they were close because of how long they knew each other. They fought each other for decades. It isn’t happening with Teach. Law is the Whitebeard of the next generation. He has the relationship with Luffy, the power (and what he doesn’t have now, he will have later), the demeanor, a similar backstory and a similar set of circumstances. It’s Law.
Part of the thing with Roger and Whitebeard was that they were close because of how long they knew each other. They fought each other for decades. It isn’t happening with Teach. Law is the Whitebeard of the next generation. He has the relationship with Luffy, the power (and what he doesn’t have now, he will have later), the demeanor, a similar backstory and a similar set of circumstances. It’s Law.
My opinion is still the same , Teach is the closest thing to WB , though Teach also has parallels with Xebec
1. similar epithets ( Whitebeard & Blackbeard )
2. Teach used to be in WB's crew , and admired him ( though Teach lost respect after WB got old )
3. Teach carried WB's power ( Gura Gura )
4. Teach is the one to replace WB as an Emperor , WB died , Kaido Big Mom Shanks left , then Teach took over WB's territories and rose as the Emperor of those territories
( that he knew like the back of his hand , like Jinbe said )
5. Teach is also legit far stronger than Luffy and would rival his EOS strength , maybe he would still be stronger and then Luffy defeats him with plot convenience
Whitebeard was rivaling Roger in strength . Law in comparison is already left in the dust by current Luffy ( don't know if he'll ever catch up )
Teach's parallels with Xebec :
- ruled Hachinosu/Beehive Island ( base of Xebec in the past )
- Teach's ship name has "Xebec" in it's name
- Xebec was the most dangerous foe of Roger , Teach will be the most dangerous foe of Luffy too ( among Pirates )
- Xebec's crew was the strongest crew of it's time , Blackbeard Pirates is being build up as the strongest crew in the world too ( as a single crew not an alliance like Beasts Pirates and BMP )
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Teach's crew and WB's crew are/were also extremely strong ( especially when WB had Oden ) , capable of becoming Emperor crews . no offense but Law's crew look fodder in comparison
1. similar epithets ( Whitebeard & Blackbeard )
2. Teach used to be in WB's crew , and admired him ( though Teach lost respect after WB got old )
3. Teach carried WB's power ( Gura Gura )
4. Teach is the one to replace WB as an Emperor , WB died , Kaido Big Mom Shanks left , then Teach took over WB's territories and rose as the Emperor of those territories
( that he knew like the back of his hand , like Jinbe said )
5. Teach is also legit far stronger than Luffy and would rival his EOS strength , maybe he would still be stronger and then Luffy defeats him with plot convenience
Whitebeard was rivaling Roger in strength . Law in comparison is already left in the dust by current Luffy ( don't know if he'll ever catch up )
Teach's parallels with Xebec :
- ruled Hachinosu/Beehive Island ( base of Xebec in the past )
- Teach's ship name has "Xebec" in it's name
- Xebec was the most dangerous foe of Roger , Teach will be the most dangerous foe of Luffy too ( among Pirates )
- Xebec's crew was the strongest crew of it's time , Blackbeard Pirates is being build up as the strongest crew in the world too ( as a single crew not an alliance like Beasts Pirates and BMP )
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Teach's crew and WB's crew are/were also extremely strong ( especially when WB had Oden ) , capable of becoming Emperor crews . no offense but Law's crew look fodder in comparison
Kaido and Big Mom are Rocks to Luffy's "Roger" and "Garp." We learn of Rocks through Garp's cackle on Kaido and Big Mom hounding his grandson. Akainu saw their alliance as the second coming of him. Kaido and Big Mom were former members of his crew—the strongest crew then—and now form the strongest alliance. Oda's setting Luffy to face off against both Emperors this arc, and it'll be a legend on the God Valley Incident's level.
You're missing the symbolism for things that don't matter. Blackbeard is the yin to Whitebeard's yang: their opposing epithets and dynamic make that obvious. Blackbeard took Whitebeard's spot in the Emperors. In the very chapter where the Kaido and Big Mom bring flashbacks of Rocks to the Marines, Blackbeard's reign is said to be reaching Whitebeard's. He's an evil Whitebeard, and it's fitting that his opposition to a Pirate King will be a twisted take on Whitebeard's. He'll stand before Luffy on the PK throne and be this gen's silver medalist. Friendly rivalry and age distance are what I mean about your focus on things that don't matter.
You're missing the symbolism for things that don't matter. Blackbeard is the yin to Whitebeard's yang: their opposing epithets and dynamic make that obvious. Blackbeard took Whitebeard's spot in the Emperors. In the very chapter where the Kaido and Big Mom bring flashbacks of Rocks to the Marines, Blackbeard's reign is said to be reaching Whitebeard's. He's an evil Whitebeard, and it's fitting that his opposition to a Pirate King will be a twisted take on Whitebeard's. He'll stand before Luffy on the PK throne and be this gen's silver medalist. Friendly rivalry and age distance are what I mean about your focus on things that don't matter.
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Like I said earlier in the thread, if Katakuri was meant to be more than a stepping stone for Luffy, the Mogura stab would've left a scar, since scars are mainly for plot/character reasons.
Plus nobody outside of WCI seems to give a damn about the guy. Luffy hasn't reflected on their fight afterwards either.
Plus nobody outside of WCI seems to give a damn about the guy. Luffy hasn't reflected on their fight afterwards either.