Powers & Abilities Could Killer somehow awaken his smile

#21
Where is your proof that he's not weaker with those ?

Because I have plenty of empirical evidence to back me up :

-Killer never used scythes before - nor after
-He had to use the identity of Kamazou because Wano is a closed-off country and his main weapons are obviously not from Wano
-Orochi is a cruel and wicked one who never intended to let Killer save Kid, it is perfectly in line with his twisted behavior to force Killer to use weapons he isn't familiar with, only because it amuses Orochi to see him struggling even more
-Killer would have accepted because, just like Zoro, he'd to anything for his Captain, even potential eating an already bitten SMILE (I don't think it's sure yet if he ate one who could make him a Gifter or one which was already deemed a dud)
-We also know that Killer and Kid fought Kaido until they couldn't move - and several days/weeks after that, Kidd was still greatly injured so it's probable that just like Zoro wasn't at his best (poisonous food and drinks taking a small toll on him - as seen when he glared at Killer after defeating him, Zoro knows he'll lose consciousness because of his attack, the digestive problems compounding to it) Killer was not at 100%

All of this to say that I rest my case : Killer had a really good showing against Zoro and proved to be nearly is equals, even if both of them were nerfed.

Edit : as an aside, even if we discount the widly different stances that his normal weapons give him compared to the scythes, Killer ended the fight with one less weapon when he always used two. Meaning that he was "nerfed" when Zoro was "upped" even if we just take into account the number of weapons (which isn't significative for me, by the way).
In short you have no proof. And the only thing backing your statement is "there's no proof in counter!".

-Orochi is cruel and wicked, that doesn't mean he tortures his own soldiers for no reason, especially when its only going to disadvantage him.
-Where's your proof he never used scythes before? For all we know he has good experience with it.
-Scythes are not Wano exclusive lmao.
-We don't know if Kid was injured from Kaido's fight or if because he was getting tortured.

All you're doing is assuming random shit and taking them as facts.
 
#24
If Oda wants to upgrade Killer , he should give him something that's not a SMILE .

maybe FS or Advanced Armament , or flying slashes . right now he's just so basic with those scythes , and that failed SMILE that gave him nothing except fafafa laugh was bad enough
 
#25
Orochi is cruel and wicked, that doesn't mean he tortures his own soldiers for no reason, especially when its only going to disadvantage him.
-Where's your proof he never used scythes before? For all we know he has good experience with it.
-Scythes are not Wano exclusive lmao.
-We don't know if Kid was injured from Kaido's fight or if because he was getting tortured.
-Killer was not Orochii soldier, rather a test subject he used his Smile on, that itself hints he was messing with him. He blackmailed him into eating it, and mostly wanted to see afterstate of Killer after eating a smile.
-Killer has always used mechanical gauntlets, and those scythes were nog his original weapons if he has some experience with em. Since that still doesn't make him as good as he is with original weapons, or it do?
-if you say Kidd was tortured, can't the same be true for Kamazou? He was wrapped in bandages afterall.
And If Kidd was in such bad shape due to Kaidou beating, Killer also took the beating.

Anything else lol?
 
#27
I had this thought a while ago, that smiles in general, aren't failure, they just need adjustment to take effect on people who are "pleasures"

I think somehow, Killer will get his power up this arc through awakening his smile

By the way, smiles aren't really bad power, for example, Sheepshead/Speed were not so bad imo

Regardless of what animal they get, it will increase their capabilities

Also, considering Killer is an edgy character like Kidd, I have no doubt if he awakened his powers, Oda would give him a cool animal smile with cool design

It's just with current smile users of beast pirates, Oda loves making fun of them by drawing bizzare designs, he has enjoyment doing that

But when it comes to characters that matters, he will make it cool, no doubt
 
#28
In short you have no proof. And the only thing backing your statement is "there's no proof in counter!".

-Orochi is cruel and wicked, that doesn't mean he tortures his own soldiers for no reason, especially when its only going to disadvantage him.
-Where's your proof he never used scythes before? For all we know he has good experience with it.
-Scythes are not Wano exclusive lmao.
-We don't know if Kid was injured from Kaido's fight or if because he was getting tortured.

All you're doing is assuming random shit and taking them as facts.
You understand you're the one with the burden of proof here, right ? Considering the fact that you're the one making huge assumptions not backed by anything in the manga all to seemingly present Zoro as stronger than he is.
 
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#29
You understand you're the one with the burden of proof here, right ? Considering the fact that you're the one making huge assumptions not backed by anything in the manga all to seemingly present Zoro as stronger than he is.
No. You made the claim in the first place, the burden of proof lies on you, ala "The burden of proof as to any particular fact lies on that person who wishes the Court to believe in its existence".

The very first assumption that "Killer is weaker without a scythe" was undoubtedly made by you. I simply asked you back what you said up.

Its not that difficult to grasp.
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-Killer was not Orochii soldier, rather a test subject he used his Smile on, that itself hints he was messing with him. He blackmailed him into eating it, and mostly wanted to see afterstate of Killer after eating a smile.
-Killer has always used mechanical gauntlets, and those scythes were nog his original weapons if he has some experience with em. Since that still doesn't make him as good as he is with original weapons, or it do?
-if you say Kidd was tortured, can't the same be true for Kamazou? He was wrapped in bandages afterall.
And If Kidd was in such bad shape due to Kaidou beating, Killer also took the beating.

Anything else lol?
"Killer was not Orochi's soldier".

The very first point you're trying to make itself is blatantly and factually wrong. I can't even be bothered to counter the rest of the things you're filtering in.


 
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#30
No. You made the claim in the first place, the burden of proof lies on you, ala "The burden of proof as to any particular fact lies on that person who wishes the Court to believe in its existence".

The very first assumption that "Killer is weaker without a scythe" was undoubtedly made by you. I simply asked you back what you said up.

Its not that difficult to grasp.
And I have done that in length but you're the one pretending that a) he may have wielded a scythe before b) that orochi (who is noted to be sick a cruel) wouldn't put hardship on Killer's situation when he clearly loves to do that c) that kid was tortured when we have never seen that being hinted - perhaps it'll change and King will be shown torturing him but so far he and Killer where badly hurt by Kaido and took weeks to heal.

So if you want to convince me - or anyone - you'll have to back it up with proofs, because I work with what the manga has given us :
1.Killer never used scythes before and dumped them as soon as possible
2.Orochi has been noted by several characters, including Kaido, to be twisted and sick and those he hates have to suffer - he never gives them a chance, he always stake the odds against them (as seen with Oden and the Red Scabbards)
3.Kidd and Killer fought Kaido until they couldn't move and were deprived of healing for some time, meaning that even weeks after the battle they were still injured
4.Everything coming from the outside world is suppressed in Wano, including weapons who are hard to come by - mechanical scythes would a huge clue that Kamazou isn't jsut a crazed killer in the streets, which was the cover he was given so he could kill those Orochi wanted to see die without being officially involved

Those are hard facts from the manga. If you want to tell us Killer wielded scythes before and that it didn't change his fighting style or prowesses, okay. If you want to tell us that Orochi wouldn't have staked odds against him or that he'd have been okay with someone wielding obviously foreign weapons in Wano, okay. If you want to tell us that Killer and Kidd were tortured by King or other BP - or even just Kidd, okay.

Were are the hard facts in the manga which support your point of view?
 
#31
And I have done that in length but you're the one pretending that a) he may have wielded a scythe before b) that orochi (who is noted to be sick a cruel) wouldn't put hardship on Killer's situation when he clearly loves to do that c) that kid was tortured when we have never seen that being hinted - perhaps it'll change and King will be shown torturing him but so far he and Killer where badly hurt by Kaido and took weeks to heal.

So if you want to convince me - or anyone - you'll have to back it up with proofs, because I work with what the manga has given us :
1.Killer never used scythes before and dumped them as soon as possible
2.Orochi has been noted by several characters, including Kaido, to be twisted and sick and those he hates have to suffer - he never gives them a chance, he always stake the odds against them (as seen with Oden and the Red Scabbards)
3.Kidd and Killer fought Kaido until they couldn't move and were deprived of healing for some time, meaning that even weeks after the battle they were still injured
4.Everything coming from the outside world is suppressed in Wano, including weapons who are hard to come by - mechanical scythes would a huge clue that Kamazou isn't jsut a crazed killer in the streets, which was the cover he was given so he could kill those Orochi wanted to see die without being officially involved

Those are hard facts from the manga. If you want to tell us Killer wielded scythes before and that it didn't change his fighting style or prowesses, okay. If you want to tell us that Orochi wouldn't have staked odds against him or that he'd have been okay with someone wielding obviously foreign weapons in Wano, okay. If you want to tell us that Killer and Kidd were tortured by King or other BP - or even just Kidd, okay.

Were are the hard facts in the manga which support your point of view?
You made an assumption based on your imagination. Writing walls of texts is plain stupid when you're just making the same mistake.
If you claim something based on assumptions that doesn't mean anyone else querying your assumptions needs to post proof HIMSELF.

Now, I'm gonna repeat it plain and simple.

What you're doing is making a theory that has multiple flaws.

ONE, You say Killer never used scythes before but we've never seen Killer fight other than in Sabaody or in Wano.

TWO, You say Orochi is twisted and wants people to suffer but we've never seen him do the same to his personal assassins or ninjas, like the Oniwabanshu. We've seen this with civilians. Orochi has no issues who do as he says.

THREE, You say Kidd and Killer fought Kaido and couldn't move and some weird shit based on nothing. What do you even mean by healing time? Killer was walking right after he was taken down by Zoro. Killer was in perfect condition a week after. We don't know how good Killer's regen is, you're assuming that he'd take X amount of time to recover from Kaido.

We don't even know if Killer did fight Kaido or if he was attacked by Apoo. AGAIN, an ASSUMPTION.

Facts my ass, these are assumptions that are flawed. If they were factual they wouldn't have been flawed this badly. Other possibilities exist. Are the things you call "facts" possible and true? Yes. Are they the ceritifed truth and do we have a confirmation on them? No. That means the other possibility will always exist.

You're writing some shit up and calling them "facts" and are pretending you're in the right. What you're doing is called making a theory based on assumptions.
 

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#34
by the way, I hope you guys know that when I say awaken, I mean that Killer gets access to the smile's powers. I'm not talking about devil fruit awakening.
Hahahaha, no, I definitely thought you meant the latter...still, others in the Beast Pirates have eaten failed SMILEs, presumably at a point way further in the past than a recent addition/captive like Killer, and they’re only fodder after all this time. Would it be the most confusing/unjustifiable choice Oda’s ever made? Certainly not, but I don’t think it would make Killer measurably better or more hyped when compared to the leaps in power his captain and the guys around them are liable to enjoy as this arc progresses.
 
#35
You made an assumption based on your imagination. Writing walls of texts is plain stupid when you're just making the same mistake.
If you claim something based on assumptions that doesn't mean anyone else querying your assumptions needs to post proof HIMSELF.

Now, I'm gonna repeat it plain and simple.

What you're doing is making a theory that has multiple flaws.

ONE, You say Killer never used scythes before but we've never seen Killer fight other than in Sabaody or in Wano.

TWO, You say Orochi is twisted and wants people to suffer but we've never seen him do the same to his personal assassins or ninjas, like the Oniwabanshu. We've seen this with civilians. Orochi has no issues who do as he says.

THREE, You say Kidd and Killer fought Kaido and couldn't move and some weird shit based on nothing. What do you even mean by healing time? Killer was walking right after he was taken down by Zoro. Killer was in perfect condition a week after. We don't know how good Killer's regen is, you're assuming that he'd take X amount of time to recover from Kaido.

We don't even know if Killer did fight Kaido or if he was attacked by Apoo. AGAIN, an ASSUMPTION.

Facts my ass, these are assumptions that are flawed. If they were factual they wouldn't have been flawed this badly. Other possibilities exist. Are the things you call "facts" possible and true? Yes. Are they the ceritifed truth and do we have a confirmation on them? No. That means the other possibility will always exist.

You're writing some shit up and calling them "facts" and are pretending you're in the right. What you're doing is called making a theory based on assumptions.
Yeah, you've got zero argument but nebulous assumptions based on what ? Bias ? Sorry, you're the one who has to disprove that plain logic doesn't apply here.
 
#36
Yeah, you've got zero argument but nebulous assumptions based on what ? Bias ? Sorry, you're the one who has to disprove that plain logic doesn't apply here.
If you're going to ignore everything of what I said and run away from the argument like an idiot only to reply with a pathetic "h-h-haha i won" you shouldn't have even bothered.

Its obvious you don't give a shit about finding out the true answer or having a rational debate, you just want to be wanked as the guy who got the last reply and "won the argument".

God, what a waste of time.

:pepeke:
 
#37
If you're going to ignore everything of what I said and run away from the argument like an idiot only to reply with a pathetic "h-h-haha i won" you shouldn't have even bothered.

Its obvious you don't give a shit about finding out the true answer or having a rational debate, you just want to be wanked as the guy who got the last reply and "won the argument".

God, what a waste of time.

:pepeke:
Please...

Enlighten me then. Explain the very simple fact of why Killer picked two scythes when he was posturing as Kamazou. Go on. Do it. If you can't, you're just admitting that you're the one with zero arguments to oppose to the way I read and understood the manga, I'm sorry to say this.

So... Go on. Write an essay explaining why Killer chose to use weapons he never used before or after as seen in the manga, was covered in bandages when Hawkins later stated that Kidd and Killer fought Kaido until they couldn't stand, and that it has nothing to do with Orochi's twisted nature since Killer had no need to eat a SMILE, especially one which may have been defectuous from the start, and the fact that Wano is a closed-off country where news of the outside world are censored and suppressed.

If you can explain it away in a logical way I'll admit I'm wrong.
 
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