Speculations Could Sanji have used Ifrit Jambe without Exoskeleton?..

#41
Purple or green doesn't make a difference. Enma was stable. Unstable was when it shrinked his arm.

CoC coating has nothing to do with swordsmanship that's why it has nothing to do with Enma.

Where the hell you took that Asura is a special ability to cut Demons/Oni??? Zoro first used against Kaku and than with Pacifista. Not demons or onis.

Asura on Kaido had CoC coating because it scarred Kaido. Attacks without it are too shallow on him as stated by Luffy.


Luffy was never able to stand up after running out of G4. Kaido even bited him and Zoro had to save him. How the fuck are you trying to make this nonsense argument? Everytime Luffy is running out of G4 which means he ran out of CoA he can barely move. He needs 10min to rest to move normal again. That's what he did against Katakuri. He ran out of CoA rested 10 min and then he could move. He wasn't standing on CoC willpower or whatever bullshit you are making up. He recovered the tiny bit of CoA he needed.


No is not CoC. Everyone has their mental state. As I said Kin'emon is doing similar feats as Luffy but he doesn't have CoC.
Man you just want to deny for the sake of denying, there's no rebottle in what you say..
 
#45
I destroyed all your arguments. You are out of them so you play the "you are denying the true" card.
Just saying no to everything is not destroying arguments.. That's just deflecting.. Make your counter in one sentence and i will refute it easily..

To unleash CoC you need the power to overwhelm death, it's character growth(spirit).. It's pretty simple..
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3 pages…..all because Sanji is stronger than Zoro 🤦🏾‍♂️
Might as well put strongest in the crew at this point.. Cause it's as believable as saying Sanji is stronger than Zoro..
 
#50
Saying Zoro is stronger than Sanji is as believable as ZKK
Actually ZKK was rooted in logic and could have been possible, but Sanji being above Zoro is complete lalala land like Carrot joining the crew..

If you want to debate Sanji being above Zoro, you can give your arguments if you have any.. You will be broken easily if you face reality..
 
#51
Actually ZKK was rooted in logic and could have been possible, but Sanji being above Zoro is complete lalala land like Carrot joining the crew..

If you want to debate Sanji being above Zoro, you can give your arguments if you have any.. You will be broken easily if you face reality..
Logic like the side character looking better than the MC he’s far weaker than but me saying a side character is stronger than another side character is far fetched? That’s where you draw the line? That’s lala land to you??????

Yeah, guys like you are a bit koo koo. No matter how badly I demolish you in the debate, you’ll fail to comprehend. After all you believed in a theory where a FAR WEAKER side character would outshine the combat superior main character and claim it as “logical”
 
#52
Actually ZKK was rooted in logic and could have been possible, but Sanji being above Zoro is complete lalala land like Carrot joining the crew..

If you want to debate Sanji being above Zoro, you can give your arguments if you have any.. You will be broken easily if you face reality..
Zoro > Sanji obviously, but no way you believe in ZKK
But eh, you think Cracker has CoC, so I'm not surprised.
 
#53
Logic like the side character looking better than the MC he’s far weaker than but me saying a side character is stronger than another side character is far fetched? That’s where you draw the line? That’s lala land to you??????

Yeah, guys like you are a bit koo koo. No matter how badly I demolish you in the debate, you’ll fail to comprehend. After all you believed in a theory where a FAR WEAKER side character would outshine the combat superior main character and claim it as “logical”
Great so trying to deminish and not trying to put your argument..

I can make this easy.. Just based on Zoro's ambitions and how hard his goal is to accomplish, and how rare Black Blades are, just based on that simple fact a character like Sanji who doesn't have to go through severe Hardships on his journey, that never had a single extreme diff fight.. Yes Sanji can never be Above Zoro, that's completely bogus.. Feats don't even need to come into play, Zoro's narrative is way more important power wise.. That can not be refuted..
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Zoro > Sanji obviously, but no way you believe in ZKK
But eh, you think Cracker has CoC, so I'm not surprised.
I didn't believe ZKK would happen, but it made sense if it were.. Sanji > Zoro doesn't make sense, it's same as Saying Sanji > Luffy..
Completely disregarding the Narrative.. Sanji's narrative has never been power related..
 
#54
I didn't believe ZKK would happen, but it made sense if it were..
Well what ever. I don't care.
Sanji > Zoro doesn't make sense, it's same as Saying Sanji > Luffy..
Completely disregarding the Narrative.. Sanji's narrative has never been power related..
His fans have to cope with the fact that he can't do anything against ACoA and ACoC and make up headcanon that blue flames somehow counter that
 
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#55
Just saying no to everything is not destroying arguments.. That's just deflecting.. Make your counter in one sentence and i will refute it easily..

To unleash CoC you need the power to overwhelm death, it's character growth(spirit).. It's pretty simple..
I didn't said no I give arguments for that. You are the one only saying no.

That's headcannon bullshit. It was never stated on manga anything like that.
 
#56
I didn't said no I give arguments for that. You are the one only saying no.

That's headcannon bullshit. It was never stated on manga anything like that.
Saying it's headcanon is not an argument..

When Zoro acknowledge he literally has to be ready to throw his life away to Stabilize Enma, that's the power
to overwhelm death, CoC..

Title of chapter 1036 is, Bushido is death and finding it..

Since chapter 5 Zoro has showcased traits to overwhelm death, by starving longer than what a normal human could do..
Arlong said he shouldn't be alive.. You're just there to deny and say no..
 
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Herrera95

#58
Saying it's headcanon is not an argument..
Yes it is because you are saying things that are not writting or shown on manga.

When Zoro acknowledge he literally has to be ready to throw his life away to Stabilize Enma, that's the power
to overwhelm death, CoC..
Nope.

A lot of people including Luffy and Zoro were ready to throw their life away since the beginning of the story. Zoro was introducted like that. Yet he didn't had CoC at time.

Chinjao never showed to be ready to throw his life away and he had CoC.

Katakuri and Doflamingo the same.

Shanks, Kaido, Big Mom... The list is enormous. Maybe even Kid could be said.

Zoro said the same words to Enma when unlocking his CoC that he said to Law and King asked Zoro the same thing Kaido asked him. Both situations he said that he would give his all and he could die for that and King and Kaido both asked if he had kingly ambitions or conquerors haki too.

Title of chapter 1036 is, Bushido is death and finding it..
I don't give a fuck. That's because Zoro's magic pill plot and King of Hell theme. Not because of CoC.

Since chapter 5 Zoro has showcased traits to overwhelm death, by starving longer than what a normal human could do..
Arlong said he shouldn't be alive.. You're just there to deny and say no..
Like I said and he didn't had CoC back then. So you have no point here. Also other characters that have CoC never showed such thing as overwhelm death. While others characters that overwhelmed death like Jinbei not being afraid of Big Mom doesn't have CoC.
 
#59
Like I said and he didn't had CoC back then. So you have no point here. Also other characters that have CoC never showed such thing as overwhelm death. While others characters that overwhelmed death like Jinbei not being afraid of Big Mom doesn't have CoC.
It's not Black and White.. You need to show many times over that you can overwhelm death to build character.. It's not a Switch to flip.. Luffy and Zoro are the best examples cause they are the main characters..
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No

Sanji himeself said that
He didn't say he couldn't use Ifrit Jambe at all without the Exoskeleton.. That's you extrapolating based on the given information..
 
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#60
It's not Black and White.. You need to show many times over that you can overwhelm death to build character.. It's not a Switch to flip.. Luffy and Zoro are the best examples cause they are the main characters..
Headcannon. Like I said nowhere in manga says that and many characters that have CoC never showed to overwhelm death.
 
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