General & Others Could Zoro have kept up with Luffy and Sanji if
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Yes Zoro’s post timeskip upgraded versions of attacks are way stronger than the basic versions of those attacks. Yet he only needed hardening when using his strongest attack
At no point pre timeskip did zoro imply his swords can handle his attacks. With him even being able to use his strongest attack in the east blue
If you can find evidence that says otherwise fair enough but if you can’t it’s just headcanon
At no point pre timeskip did zoro imply his swords can handle his attacks. With him even being able to use his strongest attack in the east blue
If you can find evidence that says otherwise fair enough but if you can’t it’s just headcanon
Mihawk taught Zoro CoA Imbuement to protect swords from damage and breaking.
Do you think Mihawk used Armament to break Zoro's swords?
Regular steel swords can't withstand the kind of power Zoro swings with. That's not headcanon, that's common sense and consistent with the material.
Do you think Mihawk used Armament to break Zoro's swords?
Regular steel swords can't withstand the kind of power Zoro swings with. That's not headcanon, that's common sense and consistent with the material.
What are you talking about
Mihawks attack shattered Zoro’s swords. That has nothing to do with Zoro’s blades not being able to handle his own attacks
Mihawk a supreme grade black blade so technically it’s already covered in armament hardening unless you believe otherwise
Like I said and like the panel you’re showing off the only time it became an issue was with his new sanzen sekai attack
Okay so devil fruits aren’t a power up because you have to train to better use them
Also DFs aren’t the same as meitou blades.
Kozaburo gave a full breakdown of this, you need to tame the sword, in order to bring out its full potential.
Koshiro also mentioned a sword that destroys everything isn’t good.
There’s plenty of examples of this in the story.
Nothing common sense wouldn't tell you.
You keep missing the point.
The point is Mihawk destroyed Zoro's steel swords with ease because One Piece is a world in which conventional steel cannot endure the strength of even relatively weak (at the time) characters that can lift buildings.
Immediately post-skip, Sanji is capable of breaking material even stronger than steel with kicks.
What are you even arguing? Of course Zoro's own strength would be too much to endure for regular steel swords, without Haki to compensate.
Swordsmen use Hardening and Imbuement for both attacking and defensive purposes. Zoro uses both it with Sanzen Sekai and other attacks to cut better and protect his sword.
You keep missing the point.
The point is Mihawk destroyed Zoro's steel swords with ease because One Piece is a world in which conventional steel cannot endure the strength of even relatively weak (at the time) characters that can lift buildings.
Immediately post-skip, Sanji is capable of breaking material even stronger than steel with kicks.
What are you even arguing? Of course Zoro's own strength would be too much to endure for regular steel swords, without Haki to compensate.
Swordsmen use Hardening and Imbuement for both attacking and defensive purposes. Zoro uses both it with Sanzen Sekai and other attacks to cut better and protect his sword.
The god fruit isn’t a power up because luffy had to train to better use it
Blackbeard had to train for better mastery of the quake fruit. We really gonna pretend it isn’t a power up because of that
You need to master a devil fruit in mind and body to awaken it
Blackbeard had to train for better mastery of the quake fruit. We really gonna pretend it isn’t a power up because of that
You need to master a devil fruit in mind and body to awaken it
Wait a sec are you really going to argue with me that the Gomu Gomu is an instant buff?( Besides of course blunt force )
are you arguing with me Shusui is also an instant buff ?
What exactly are you arguing, or are you arguing to argue ?
Give him 3 of the very best of special graded swords and luffy still washes this bugger and will be equal to Sanji who never uses his hands to fight. 
The answer is pretty clear, take those special swords away then zoro will be the laughing stock of the worst generation lol
The answer is pretty clear, take those special swords away then zoro will be the laughing stock of the worst generation lol
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Mihawk taught Zoro CoA Imbuement to protect swords from damage and breaking.
Do you think Mihawk used Armament to break Zoro's swords?
Regular steel swords can't withstand the kind of power Zoro swings with. That's not headcanon, that's common sense and consistent with the material.
Do you think Mihawk used Armament to break Zoro's swords?
Regular steel swords can't withstand the kind of power Zoro swings with. That's not headcanon, that's common sense and consistent with the material.
Pick an argument
Are you arguing that Zoro’s weaker swords would make it easier for his opponents to break or that Zoro’s swords wouldn’t be able to handle his own attacks?
If you’re arguing the first
Yes it would make it easier for his opponents
If you’re arguing the second
Show evidence of Zoro’s swords struggling to withstand his own attacks. If you can’t it’s headcanon
I can show you east blue Zoro’s swords being able to use sanzen sekai no problem or even post timeskip Zoro’s swords being able to withstand arguably his 2nd strongest attack below his new sanzen sekai not needing hardening
Again if you can’t show pre timeskip zoro holding back due to fear of his so fragile swords then it means they were fine
Blackbeard had to train because he couldn’t fully control the quake fruit. So is it a power up yes or no?
Yes it is
Being made of rubber is the main part of the fruit. You can’t just remove that
Yes the great black blade that automatically made his attacks stronger is a power up
Are you arguing that Zoro’s weaker swords would make it easier for his opponents to break or that Zoro’s swords wouldn’t be able to handle his own attacks?
If you’re arguing the first
Yes it would make it easier for his opponents
If you’re arguing the second
Show evidence of Zoro’s swords struggling to withstand his own attacks. If you can’t it’s headcanon
I can show you east blue Zoro’s swords being able to use sanzen sekai no problem or even post timeskip Zoro’s swords being able to withstand arguably his 2nd strongest attack below his new sanzen sekai not needing hardening
Again if you can’t show pre timeskip zoro holding back due to fear of his so fragile swords then it means they were fine
Blackbeard had to train because he couldn’t fully control the quake fruit. So is it a power up yes or no?
Yes it is
Being made of rubber is the main part of the fruit. You can’t just remove that
Yes the great black blade that automatically made his attacks stronger is a power up
This two notions are not mutually exclusive.
Oda find it cool for Zoro to have new swords and he uses them to give the character strength’s boost. But the character, in-universe, does not care about the rank or the strength of the sword.
Furthermore, Oda himself has said in a SBS that the rank of the sword are not that important.
Oda find it cool for Zoro to have new swords and he uses them to give the character strength’s boost. But the character, in-universe, does not care about the rank or the strength of the sword.
Furthermore, Oda himself has said in a SBS that the rank of the sword are not that important.
Don't hurt yourself overthinking the simple concept of regular steel being much susceptible to breaking under force by and against the wielder in a world of humans and humanoids alike that possess immense physical strength.
You argue like you have no concept of how weak East Blue Zoro is even within the context of pre-skip.
EB Zoro could use Sanzen Sekai without issue because his physical strength was NOWHERE NEAR what it became before before the skip, never mind after or what it is now. That mfer couldn't cut steel yet.
Current Zoro hasn't used ordinary steel swords in many years.
If he tried Sanzen Sekai with regular swords using even only a fraction of his strength and no Haki, the swords would break.
You argue like you have no concept of how weak East Blue Zoro is even within the context of pre-skip.
EB Zoro could use Sanzen Sekai without issue because his physical strength was NOWHERE NEAR what it became before before the skip, never mind after or what it is now. That mfer couldn't cut steel yet.
Current Zoro hasn't used ordinary steel swords in many years.
If he tried Sanzen Sekai with regular swords using even only a fraction of his strength and no Haki, the swords would break.
Don't hurt yourself overthinking the simple concept of regular steel being much susceptible to breaking under force by and against the wielder in a world of humans and humanoids alike that possess immense physical strength.
You argue like you have no concept of how weak East Blue Zoro is even within the context of pre-skip.
EB Zoro could use Sanzen Sekai without issue because his physical strength was NOWHERE NEAR what it became before before the skip, never mind after or what it is now. That mfer couldn't cut steel yet.
Current Zoro hasn't used ordinary steel swords in many years.
If he tried Sanzen Sekai with regular swords using even only a fraction of his strength and no Haki, the swords would break.
You argue like you have no concept of how weak East Blue Zoro is even within the context of pre-skip.
EB Zoro could use Sanzen Sekai without issue because his physical strength was NOWHERE NEAR what it became before before the skip, never mind after or what it is now. That mfer couldn't cut steel yet.
Current Zoro hasn't used ordinary steel swords in many years.
If he tried Sanzen Sekai with regular swords using even only a fraction of his strength and no Haki, the swords would break.
No one is denying zoro got a lot stronger during the first half of the grand line. Zoro also got alot stronger during his 2 years of training yet he still only needed hardening for his strongest attack
Also the fact law is using an unranked sword. Hell the beast pirates have I ranked swords while being huge physical monsters
Someone else already called you out for your misunderstanding of black blades, so it's a bit much of you to still be talking about headcanon when it's already evident you're invoking concepts you do not understand.
Zoro's original swords beside Wado were regular steel swords, and they were easily broken, are you disputing that simple fact?
Without Haki to protect them, how do propose ordinary swords survive impact with force Zoro is later is capable of swinging?
The force of regular kicks can dent steel in this universe. I'm not going to keep going back and forth with you on such obvious shit as Zoro being too powerful to use regular steel.
It's unranked but still a Meito and Cursed Sword. More importantly, Law's physical strength is not in the same realm as Zoro's. His swordsmanship is for augmenting his DF.
Kaidou's club is also an unranked Meito
Zoro's original swords beside Wado were regular steel swords, and they were easily broken, are you disputing that simple fact?
Without Haki to protect them, how do propose ordinary swords survive impact with force Zoro is later is capable of swinging?
The force of regular kicks can dent steel in this universe. I'm not going to keep going back and forth with you on such obvious shit as Zoro being too powerful to use regular steel.
It's unranked but still a Meito and Cursed Sword. More importantly, Law's physical strength is not in the same realm as Zoro's. His swordsmanship is for augmenting his DF.
Kaidou's club is also an unranked Meito
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It’s either black blades are coated in armament hardening or not
We don’t know what they were made of besides weaker material than wado
Same way we don’t know what most are made of
Same way queens swords are fine
You might be confusing iron and steel but even zoro couldn’t cut steel till after the timeskip
Without the exoskeleton?
With lande yeah most likely. Full power Jinbe tho no
We don’t know what they were made of besides weaker material than wado
Same way we don’t know what most are made of
Same way queens swords are fine
You might be confusing iron and steel but even zoro couldn’t cut steel till after the timeskip
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Without the exoskeleton?
With lande yeah most likely. Full power Jinbe tho no