General & Others Craftsdwarfs Zoro and Sanji video discussion

#1

Craftsdwarf's recent video is discussing Zoro and Sanji's views on Women and I want to discuss some ideas he brought up.
( Note: I'm just starting a discussion. It does not mean I agree with the ppints made. In fact I disagree with a lot of these points but the ideas are still interesting enough to discuss.)

He explains the usual thing with Sanji projecting his mother and sister onto all women and that's fine and dandy but what he says about Zoro is what's interesting.

Craftsdwarfs posits that Zoro has an inferiority complex when it comes to fighting women because a woman beat him 2000 times first of all, and then told Zoro that the only reason he would beat her isn't because of his actual hardwork but because he was a guy.

Essentially Kuina invalidated ALL of Zoro's hardwork and said if Zoro wasn't born a certain way he couldn't achieve certain things and then Kuina died before Zoro could even prove her wrong. This left Zoro with a shadow of doubt regarding the value of his actual hardwork and training if simply born with genetic advantages like being a man is what actually made him strong. This leads to the conclusion that at one point Zoro might find that he DOESN'T have the genetic advantages to overcome a certain other hurdle and all his hardwork could literally amount to jack shit.

Craftsdwarf concludes that Zoro has problem fighting women ESPECIALLY when they are weaker than him because it sort of reminds him that he's stronger than them out of pure luck of being a guy and not because he earned his strength. This is apparently why he didn't finish off Tashigi in Loguetown and Monet in Punk hazard because even winning these fights is itself a reminder that he couldn't win against kuina.

He concludes that Zoro has this kind of inferiority complex when it comes to fighting women where even actual victory in his mind negates the hardwork he put into obtaining that victory since Kuina essentially proved that he was just lucky being born a man.
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Craftsdwarfs includes a few theories that are very much up in the air.
1. He says Zoro is so traumatised by this Kuina business that he actively avoids staircases. He avoided stairs in Ennies Lobby preferring to just cut holes in the floors above him and jumping to the next floor. He also avoided stairs in Dressrosa multiple times and even at one point fixing an elevator to use instead of climbing the stairs the were right next to the broken elevator.
2. He says Zoro has to get over his inferiority complex by either accepting that the world is unfair and people can be born with genetic advantages that hardwork can't actually overcome OR he will have to fight a woman seriously but it can't be a weak woman or else the victory doesn't fix anything. The candidate Craftsdwarf brings up in this regard is Smoothie, the second commander Swordswoman who was born with those good Big mom genes so Zoro will instead be on the back foot on the genetics front and actual hard work in combat will be the deciding factor.

What do you guys think about all this?
 

KiriNigiri

The Road To Harmony
#2
Zoro doesn't have a problem with fighting women. He's defeated some in battle. His problem is with finishing them off. And even that is not certain. Zoro had full killing intent against Monet, and his refusal to kill Tashigi in their first fight stem from him seeing Kuina through her. Something he's largely gotten over post-timeskip.

In fact, he openly states he's superior to Tashigi without hesitation on Punk Hazard. Both as a fact from him and as a way to goad her to improve. Zoro's a lot of things, but wavering and indecisiveness are not one of them.
 
#3
You are going too far sometimes, it's scary :gokulaugh:

Zoro has 1 issue, he doesn't like to fight weak people. Women, animal or naked men they are all weak for him that's why he doesn't want to fight them.
Put a good opponent and whatever they are, zoro fights them! Monet is the perfect example, good opponent but still weak so he destroyed her but at the same he didn't use haki. When she came back Tashigi finished her, but zoro was aware and would have probably killed monet too.

But zoro not taking stairs, wtf lol :choppawhat:
That's why he got lost riding an animal in wano because Oden castle has so many stairs ROFL!
 
#4
Zoro doesn't have a problem with fighting women. He's defeated some in battle. His problem is with finishing them off. And even that is not certain. Zoro had full killing intent against Monet, and his refusal to kill Tashigi in their first fight stem from him seeing Kuina through her. Something he's largely gotten over post-timeskip.

In fact, he openly states he's superior to Tashigi without hesitation on Punk Hazard. Both as a fact from him and as a way to goad her to improve. Zoro's a lot of things, but wavering and indecisiveness are not one of them.
Exactly. But Craftsdwarf's video is predicated on another video he made.

In this video he says that swordsmen have this supposed code of conduct in one piece and stuff like cutting down an opponent is one of them such as with Mihawk cutting down Zoro despite Zoro being so much weaker than him and him even sort of liking Zoro. He says that as long as Zoro didn't cut down Tashigi or Monet then he's acting out of character and there must be a reason for it. That's where he came up with the idea that it's this inferiority Complex
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You are going too far sometimes
Just to reiterate, these aren't my ideas... I said at the start of thread that I disagree with a lot of things from this video. I'very just never seen this angle be free so I thought it was worth putting up for discussion...

Anyway yeah, there are some things this video ignores that could easily debunk a lot of things... its just that it works off the foundations of this other video where apparently the term "swordsman" comes with this preset book of rules that Everyone in the one piece world so of naturally is supposed the abide to for some reason
 
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#8
Anyway i still want zoro vs smoothie
To me this is where I was really put of Craftsdwarf's video. This seems so unlikely especially considering what this guy wants.

Like Zoro has to like actually cut down a woman Daz bones style for the premise of this video to be true and I would shit my pants if ANY HOT WOMAN ever gets that sort of treatment in OP. Like even if Smoothie vs Zoro happens, this video can only be true if Zoro gpes completely HAM on her ass. And I believe Zoro could of course BUT Oda wouldn't let him. He would intentionally write it that this doesn't happen
 
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stealthblack

#10
I said Zoro will fight smoothie since wci lol, as in when BM pirates returns.


But for Zoro to overcome his inferiority to women, and proof that îs not gender based sworsmanship, ivankov has to turn Zoro into a female and Zoro has to win the WSS title as woman.
 
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#11
I said Zoro will fight smoothie since wci lol, as in when BM pirates returns.


But for Zoro to trupul overcome his inferiority to women, and proof that îs not gender based sworsmanship, ivankov has to turn Zoro into a female and Zoro has to win the WSS title as woman.
Inferiority is someone who claims that he is the slave and bitch of every girls lol! Future COC user for you :steef:
 

Finalbeta

Ging Freecss stan
#16
If anything Zoro respects women I think.

(Despises when they think of themselves weak cuz gender).

About fighting.....there are things that he wouldn't wish to cut but he cuts then anyway.
Yeah I actually feel like he realised how strong Kuina was as a kid at least even though maybe he thinks full grown women would be weaker
 
#18
Inferiority is someone who claims that he is the slave and bitch of every girls lol! Future COC user for you :steef:
Not really. His dick is what is saying that. He truly doesnt believe that. If he did he would slave over every woman including ugly ones like Shinobu and the fat mermaid.




OT: This may have some truth to it. But I feel this only to applies to Tashigi. Like Zoro did crush the skull of that muscle lady.

But yh Kuina dying before him ever getting a W against her. Probably left a mark on his heart.
 
#19
The Ten Rules of Chivalry
1. Thou shalt follow the dictates of moral conscience.
2. Thou shalt be willing to defend your values.
3. Thou shalt have respect and pity for all weakness and steadfastness in defending them.
4. Thou shalt love thy country.
5. Thou shalt refuse to retreat before the enemy.
6. Thou shalt wage unceasing and merciless war against all that is evil.
7. Thou shalt obey the orders of those appointed above you, as long as those orders do not conflict with what you know to be just.
8. Thou shalt show loyalty to truth and to your pledged word.
9. Thou shalt be generous and giving of ones self.
10.Thou shalt be champion of the right and good at all times, and at all times oppose the forces of evil.

Seven Virtues of Bushido
An appreciation and respect of life was also imperative, as it added balance to the warrior character of the true Bushido warrior. He was often very stoic with a deep and strong philosophical passion. He could be deadly in combat and yet so gentle and compassionate with children and the weak.
Rectitude (moral righteousness)
Courage
Benevolence
Respect / Politeness
Honesty
Honor, Glory
Loyalty
Others sometimes added are:
Filial piety
Wisdom
Care for the aged

https://owlcation.com/humanities/short-comparison-of-chivalry-and-bushido
 

Cyrus the Cactus

Mihawk Reigns Supreme
#20
People like to bring up the Monet situation to show Zoro’s supposed sexism, but forget/don’t realize that he did the same thing for both Hyozo and Monet

  • Display of Zoro’s overwhelming strength in comparison to his opponent’s (destroying all of Hyozo’s swords, Daishinkan for Monet)
  • Zoro walking away, giving an opponent the chance to walk away
  • The opponent seeing Zoro’s apparent carelessness as an opportunity to beat him
  • Opponent gets cut down in retaliation (Rengoku Onigiri for Hyozo, Monet got intercepted by Tashigi)
So yeah. His dismissal of Monet is the same as Hyozo, just that Tashigi interfered before he could strike Monet down. :kriwhat:
 
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