Versus Battle Dabi vs Endeavour

[Monkey D Theories]

Dabi on the other hand, had to verbally stall against Tokoyami (who should be weak to Dabi) as every single time Dabi let’s off a single fire blast, his body suffers such atrocious recoil that he has to take a break for several minutes before he can fight again.

This isn't really true. Dabi fought tokoyami after fighting Hawks. He already used up most of his stamina against hawks where he was releasing continuous fire blasts

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Endeavor also stated that Touya had inherited his mother’s weak constitutions, meaning Dabi not only is not “resistant or even immune to flame”, but Dabi can’t even handle flame as well as Endeavor can. More on this below.

Dabi is burned by his own fire but his fire is much stronger than endeavor's

hence, it is entirely possible that Dabi's resistance is higher than endeavor's as well but his flames are just that hot. We don't know that much about his quirk apart from Endeavor's remark, which isn't really clarified.

anyways the reason I am making such assumptions is because plot requires Dabi to be stronger than endeavor. Prime Shoto will easily be much stronger than endeavor, and hence Dabi would need to as well if he were to ever be Shoto's rival.

I will say however that current portrayal does favor Endeavor. That being said, I still think it is entirely possible for Dabi to be stronger for the aforementioned reason.

 

[Lee Ba Shou]

Dabi fought tokoyami after fighting Hawks.

And Endeavor fought Awakened Shigaraki to a standstill after fighting and defeating several High End Nomu.

Dabi struggled with Tokoyami after fighting Haws alone. Both of whom he had a quirk advantage against.

Dabi is burned by his own fire but his fire is much stronger than endeavor's

His flame is stronger, not “much stronger”. Endeavor’s Hellflame has much better feats than Dabi’s flames. Much better feats. Endeavor’s firepower instantly incinerated Hood multiple times and heavily injured Shigaraki who was as durable as All Might himself. Endeavor’s Hellflame has also sliced through steel like butter.

Freaking Hawks was able to resist Dabi’s flame.

anyways the reason I am making such assumptions is because plot requires Dabi to be stronger than endeavor. Prime Shoto will easily be much stronger than endeavor, and hence Dabi would need to as well if he were to ever be Shoto's rival.

Literally no part of this narrative requires Dabi to be Shoto’s rival or even implies that this will be the case. Shoto has already overcame the conflict that Dabi embodies. Literally Shoto’s first fight in the manga involves him overcoming the entirety of Dabi’s character arc.

Dabi will not be a rival for EOS Shoto. He will never surpass Endeavor unless the doctor starts pumping him full of additional quirks like he did for Shigaraki.

 

[RayanOO]

And Endeavor fought Awakened Shigaraki to a standstill after fighting and defeating several High End Nomu.

Endy's role in fighting and beating the HEs is quite small, the HEs in the end were ganged up by 50+ heroes. Mirko and Crust put the real work.

And Endy didn't fight to a standstill Awakened Shiggy, Shiggy was without his other quirks and quickly Deku and Baku helped him.

In a 1 vs 1 Endy has no chance against current Shiggy. But Endy is still strong.

On topic : Endy will beat Dabi's ass for now.

Maybe after TS and a new quirk or after mastering his own Dabi will be at Endy's level but for now with what he showed he is not.

 

[Chrono]

And Endeavor fought Awakened Shigaraki to a standstill after fighting and defeating several High End Nomu.

Major Cap, Endevour only landed one fair hit the entire fight. He had to sneak attack Quirkless Shigaraki the entire time.

 

[Lee Ba Shou]

Major Cap, Endevour only landed one fair hit the entire fight. He had to sneak attack Quirkless Shigaraki the entire time.

Irrelevant. Endeavor was dodging, tanking, consistently reacting to, and most importantly, injuring an All Might level character.

How many hits did Dabi land on Tokoyami? Dabi couldn’t sneak attack Eraser Head properly. Endeavor had Shigaraki on his knees at one point bro (with help).

 

[Ice devil slayer]

Atm Endeavor wins this
He's just a better fighter overall
I would say mid diff

Eos Dabi will be above him tho

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Touya’s quirk in the hands of a professional hero like Endeavor is All Might level. It means there’s going to be plenty of room for Touya to grow into. We saw during the raid on the PLF mansion that he was experimenting with Endeavor’s mid air mobility techniques. He’s not experienced enough yet to beat his dad.

 

[Chrono]

Irrelevant. Endeavor was dodging,

Dodge* Literally, only dodged him once.

injuring an All Might level character.

Having the AP to injure a All Might lvl character is not relevant, since we already know Dabi has hotter flames. Those sadly transfer onto Dabi lmao.

And if you're talking about the skill to land hits on a All Might lvl character, well there was no skill. All of the hits that done damage were sneak attacks or team work.

How many hits did Dabi land on Tokoyami? Dabi couldn’t sneak attack Eraser Head properly. Endeavor had Shigaraki on his knees at one point bro (with help).

Dabi was just theree to dstract and rile them up. He wasnt there to properly fight. Plus we know Dabi isnt even that devoted to the league, so he just went there to fuck around. His real body wasnt in danger anyways.

For all we know they gang raped him.

 

[Lee Ba Shou]

Having the AP to injure a All Might lvl character is not relevant, since we already know Dabi has hotter flames. Those sadly transfer onto Dabi lmao.

Endeavor wasn’t just using his flames on Shiggy though lol. Endeavor was punching him and blasting him into concrete which force.

Dabi can’t do either of those things, and Dabi sure as hell can’t withstand any attack from Shigaraki if Gran Torino can knock him out in one kick.

Dabi was just theree to dstract and rile them up. He wasnt there to properly fight

He tried to point blank blast Eraser in the face. Eraser dodged and immobilized him instantly. Eraser who is far less effective at villain capture than Enji.

 

[SinOfGreed]

Endeavor shits on him. It's not all just about quirk power. Endy has way more experience, way more knowledge, the drawbacks on his quirk don't seem to be nearly as bad as Dabi's.

Shoto's quirk shits on both of theirs and I still don't think he'd be able to beat Endeavor rn.

 

[Bullet]

Endy is faster, more durable, more skilled, has more stamina etc ...
Litteraly better in every category other that the heat of his flames
Endy mid diffs

 

[Constantine]

Off topic but does anyone see death flag over Endy?

 

[Chrono]

Endeavor wasn’t just using his flames on Shiggy though lol. Endeavor was punching him and blasting him into concrete which force.

Dabi can’t do either of those things, and Dabi sure as hell can’t withstand any attack from Shigaraki if Gran Torino can knock him out in one kick.

The attacks that did damage were intense flame attacks. The punches didn't do shit.

Lmao rereading the fight.....Shigaraki didnt land any hit on anyone from his physical body. All he did was crush Gran Torino, everyone else was saved each time Shigaraki was about to land a hit. Including Endevour...so Endevour cant take any of his hits either. All he took was that air/lazer? attack which we have no idea how strong it is.

He tried to point blank blast Eraser in the face. Eraser dodged and immobilized him instantly. Eraser who is far less effective at villain capture than Enji.

Erazer literally has the quirk to steal people's powers, and against a Dabi that isnt trying...he's obviously gonna get negged.

 

[Lee Ba Shou]

The attacks that did damage were intense flame attacks. The punches didn't do shit.

The attack that put Shigaraki on his knees was a punch. Lol

Including Endevour...so Endevour cant take any of his hits either. All he took was that air/lazer? attack which we have no idea how strong it is.

Endeavor took 3 hits from Shigaraki that I’m just thinking of off the top of my head. One of which obliterated a huge concrete block, another that had its shockwave felt from miles away bro. It’s a no-contest in durability, Dabi couldn’t tank a quick from an old man.

Erazer literally has the quirk to steal people's powers, and against a Dabi that isnt trying...he's obviously gonna get negged.

Dabi literally was trying to kill Eraser tho lol. A point blank flame blast to the face isn’t how you “don’t try” lol.

Hawks also endured Dabi’s flames for several seconds. In fact, Endeavor did just as much damage to an All Might level character as Dabi did to freaking Hawks lol.

Really I’m not even sure Dabi’s flames are above Enji’s Super Moves, just that Dabi’s flame > base Hellflame. Enji probably still has the firepower advantage.

 

[Chrono]

The attack that put Shigaraki on his knees was a punch. Lol

Vanishing Fist is like fire G3 punch. His entire fist is contained in a giant fire fist. This doesnt really counts since the fire fist goes through him. Meaning the fire is doing everything.

Its more like...Akainu's Dai Funka. Dabi could easily mimic this attack since it isnt strength based.

This is more like a fire punch.

Since it's using Endevour own physical strength plus fire....And it didnt do shit to him...

Endeavor took 3 hits from Shigaraki that I’m just thinking of off the top of my head. One of which obliterated a huge concrete block, another that had its shockwave felt from miles away bro. It’s a no-contest in durability, Dabi couldn’t tank a quick from an old man.

Are we not talking about attacks from Shigaraki's own All Might lvl body ? Plus the shockwave attack isnt shown hitting Endevour.

Dabi literally was trying to kill Eraser tho lol. A point blank flame blast to the face isn’t how you “don’t try” lol.

Hawks also endured Dabi’s flames for several seconds. In fact, Endeavor did just as much damage to an All Might level character as Dabi did to freaking Hawks lol.

Really I’m not even sure Dabi’s flames are above Enji’s Super Moves, just that Dabi’s flame > base Hellflame. Enji probably still has the firepower advantage.

There's difference between trying to kill and not caring if they die or not. Dabi was attacking for the sake of distracting them. If he can incapacitate them, then thats great...but he really doesnt care. He's only a distraction....and due to his personality, he wouldnt really try unless he's actually in danger.

What's the point of bringing Hawk's up lol ? Dabi burnt all his wings and put him in a near death state. He barely even tried...since he was monolouging the entire time. Which Hawks himself brought up.

Not really when Dabi has Prominence Burn....which is Endeavour's strongest move. If he has the hotter flames, that means his Prominence Burn is stronger.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Literally no part of this narrative requires Dabi to be Shoto’s rival or even implies that this will be the case. Shoto has already overcame the conflict that Dabi embodies. Literally Shoto’s first fight in the manga involves him overcoming the entirety of Dabi’s character arc.

Dabi will not be a rival for EOS Shoto. He will never surpass Endeavor unless the doctor starts pumping him full of additional quirks like he did for Shigaraki.

come on now

if not dabi, who will shoto fight in the LoV?

 

[Lee Ba Shou]

Its more like...Akainu's Dai Funka. Dabi could easily mimic this attack since it isnt strength based.

It is a combination of both strength and quirk. It is literally a flying punch where Endeavor flies into his opponent and punches them with all his might.

Dabi has no might to speak of.

Enji is even strong enough to stop Shigaraki from grabbing him

And this is an All Might level grab. Lol

Since it's using Endevour own physical strength plus fire....

So is Vanishing Fist bro. To a much larger extent.

Plus the shockwave attack isnt shown hitting Endevour.

Bruh Endeavor was the point blank target of both of Dabi’s shockwaves. Not even sure what you’re saying.

 

[Chrono]

It is a combination of both strength and quirk. It is literally a flying punch where Endeavor flies into his opponent and punches them with all his might.

Dabi has no might to speak of.

That's open to intepretation. I just see it as giant fire fist.

It is a combination of both strength and quirk. It is literally a flying punch where Endeavor flies into his opponent and punches them with all his might.

Dabi has no might to speak of.

Enji is even strong enough to stop Shigaraki from grabbing him

And this is an All Might level grab. Lol

Technically, Endevours flames were burning and withering away his body. Plus Shiggy wasnt taking him seriously then. Not really an All Might lvl grab.

So is Vanishing Fist bro. To a much larger extent.

No❤️

Bruh Endeavor was the point blank target of both of Dabi’s shockwaves. Not even sure what you’re saying.

Panel ? If Horikoshi never drew Endeavor getting hit...then he didnt.

 

[symbiote]

Even though Dabi has the stronger flames Endeavor has the speed to outmaneuver him until he burns himself out or deliver a kill shot.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

After the recent chapters, I think Dabi stomps.

351 basically suggested that Shoto was the only one(bar Izuku obviously) capable of stopping Dabi. He even compared it to Shoto's relationship with Shigaraki.
Endeavor has more skill, but Dabi's flames are much stronger. The chapter showed that in past fights, Dabi was holding back massively. This makes sense as in all the scenarios where he took Ls, he never used flashfire fist, likely because he was saving it for shoto/enji.

Compared to Shoto, Endeavor is at a much greater disadvantage against Dabi. Enji can't cool himself down and his own flames cause him to overheat. Against Dabi, Enji would be overheating from both his own flames and Dabi's much stronger ones. Whereas Dabi has surpassed his limitations, with his body basically becoming numb to side effects of his own powers, Enji has not had such a breakthrough.

In this fight, Dabi would be able to keep on fighting until he is literally a burned corpse. As stated by the doctor, Dabi's body is supernatural, he should be dead but due to surpassing his limits and his hatred, he isn't. Enji on the other-hand would pass out of if his body overheated.

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In order to beat Dabi, Shoto needed to evolve flashfire fist beyond what endeavor taught him. He needed to develop a technique to neutralize heat. Enji literally can't do that.

Dabi would likely be able to take Enji's flames, as he is used to withstanding his own flames, which are much stronger. Enji on the other hand would overheat and die from Dabi's flashfire fist.