Powers & Abilities DF Relationships

[RayanOO]

Here to discuss about the relation between DF.

For exemple : Does Inazuma can cut Barto barrier ? Inazuma can cut anything but Barto barrier is unbreakable. And if Inazuma can cut the barrier can he manipulate it ? Because barto can also manipulate his barrier.

Same thing with Pica and Diamante : if Pica is inside a rock and Diamante touch it can Diamante flag it and reshape it or Pica keeps control ?

If Shiki and Fujitora use their DF on the same object ? If Shiki wants the thing go down and Issho up ?

: if Mr.2 touches Devon when she impersonates someone else does he transform into Devon or into the person impersonated ?

What do you think about those relationships ? What can make a DF win against the other DF ? Mastery over DF ? Some more powerful than others ?

Etc etc.

Here you can discuss about every DF relationship or interactions you want.

 

[Finalbeta]

Only sure thing is every paramecia has a counter and perhaps even every logia.

 

[bluefire12]

Is Inazuma a counter to Pica df?

 

[Lampyris]

For exemple : Does Inazuma can cut Barto barrier ? Inazuma can cut anything but Barto barrier is unbreakable. And if Inazuma can cut the barrier can he manipulate it ? Because barto can also manipulate his barrier.

Barto's barrier is invisible and most likely made up of air. Inazuma has only cut solid objects and not water or air, so for now I doubt the Snip Snip can do anything. Same can be said for Senor Pink and Morley's Devil Fruit against barriers.

Same thing with Pica and Diamante : if Pica is inside a rock and Diamante touch it can Diamante flag it and reshape it or Pica keeps control ?

Both would take place IMO. Pica's rock becomes wavy but he's still able to move around inside and manipulate the shape. If Pica wants to stop the rock from waving around, that's a power clash with Diamante and the one with higher mastery wins.

If Shiki and Fujitora use their DF on the same object ? If Shiki wants the thing go down and Issho up ?

Again, it's a power struggle. It's not different than Akainu's Magma Fist vs Whitebeard quake punch clashing.

What do you think about those relationships ? What can make a DF win against the other DF ? Mastery over DF ? Some more powerful than others ?

All three. Natural relationship like Rubber vs Electricity, who has higher mastery over their power, and Devil Fruit hierarchy like Magu Magu > Mera Mera and Hie Hie > Yuki Yuki.

Some interesting natural counters I would like to see tested include:
Hancock vs Pica
Kizaru vs Blackbeard (Yami Yami) and Moria
Law vs Buggy
Apoo vs Corazon
Kizaru vs Shiryu
Betty vs Perona

 

[Finalbeta]

Is Inazuma a counter to Pica df?

Not sure but he can mess it up a lot, but not a direct counter I think

 

[RayanOO]

Barto's barrier is invisible and most likely made up of air. Inazuma has only cut solid objects and not water or air, so for now I doubt the Snip Snip can do anything. Same can be said for Senor Pink and Morley's Devil Fruit against barriers

I don't know if it is air or not.

The way it is shown in the manga it seems that Barto can sometimes makes invisible barriers (hack for example) but he can also make visible barrier that seem to be "touchable" and hard and "fleshed" : stairs, to blocks etc.

If it is a hard real thing I think Inazuma can cut it. If it is compact air then yeah I agree Inazuma can't do it.

Good idea with Senor pink, maybe he can cross the barrier.

For Hancock and Pica yes it is a good DF relationship.

Pica is not stone he just control it. So if Hancock kicks him and turns his hands into stones I don't think Pica can counter that imeduately. But I think Pica can mitigate by stoping the stone curse to spread by assimilating his stone hand immediately.
The question is also if Hancock turns your whole inside into stone or just your outside (skins etc) if it is just the outside pica can assimilate the stone and free himself I think and go back to normal but if it is also the inside Pica can just mitigate and stop the stone curse.

Other one : Mr.2 and Devon : if Mr.2 touches Devon when she impersonates someone else does he transforms into Devon or into the person impersonated ?
Same thing for the Gocha Gocha and Mr.2 : the Gocha allow the user to merge with others : if Mr.2 touches them what will happen ? Will he become like the merge or like the owner ?

 

[King7]

Shiki vs Fujitora is a draw imo , however Fujitora's DF is just way more versatile , and if i were to bet then it's on Fujitora , he will concentrate Gravity on the object Shiki wants to lift up then pin it down

Fujitora -> lifted thousands of rubbles to the sky without touching

Shiki -> can do the same but have to touch them one by one first
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Fujitora -> can bring down 5 Asteroids from Outer Space , as seen in 751

Shiki -> can not
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Fujitora -> can create Shields from Gravity as seen in start of his clash with Law and Doflamingo

Shiki -> can , but has to touch things first to use them as Shields
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Fujitora -> Can pin down living things ( Zoro , Donquixote thugs chapter 701 )

Shiki -> can not
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Fujitora -> can push people with Gravity
( with Raging Tiger for example )

Shiki -> can , but has to touch things first before using crashing them on people to push them

Fujitora also may be able to lift living things , and pull people towards him ( he should be able to do this one )

 

[RayanOO]

Can Big mom give life to Kanjuro arts ? Kanjuro can create living arts but they fade away after some time when he dispels them. Maybe big mom can give them souls to make them live longer without Kanjuro's will. Or Maybe Big Mom can put souls into them and take control of them ?

 

[Xione]

I assume with Fujitora and Shiki it will be whoever outputs the most power, that will have control over the object.

 

[Ena]

Memo Memo no Mi -> Kage Kage no Mi, Hobi Hobi no Mi and Soru Soru no Mi

 

[RayanOO]

Memo Memo no Mi -> Kage Kage no Mi, Hobi Hobi no Mi and Soru Soru no Mi

What do you mean by that ?

 

[Yo Tan Wa]

Interesting threads with interesting possibilities.

I can see you came up with this Idea from your post in another thread that read, Kuma pads against Sugar touching. Am i right? Lol

OT- it's hard to say for sure, how one df abilities would fare against each other.

Like in Kuma vs Sugar, there's possibility of both working. Kuma can send Sugar flying while Sugar can turn Kuma into a toy. There's another chance that Kuma can repel Sugar abilities like you had said originally.

The possibility are, some may cancel each other out. In other cases, both can work at same time and if not, one would take pref ovr the other.

Like Inuzama vs Barto, i can see Inuzama cutting Barto barrier, because that's his specialuty to cut anything like Paper. Barto barrier should also be no exception.

Pica vs Daimante i believe Diamante abilities will take pref, he will change the hardness of Rock into clothes like but i can still see Pica controlling it since its Rock. Diamante make things flexible like clothes, bt a sword is still sword, it cuts. So being a Rock, Pica should control it.

Shikii vs Fuji, is impossible to tell. Fuji can increase Gravity to a point to even meteors down. While Shiki abilities are simply floating, it might simply be broken ability with no relation to Gravity.

Mr2 vs Devon. Both their abilities should work. Mr 2 acquiring her face and Devon turning into Mr2 imo.

Some interesting natural counters I would like to see tested include:
Hancock vs Pica
Kizaru vs Blackbeard (Yami Yami) and Moria
Law vs Buggy
Apoo vs Corazon
Kizaru vs Shiryu
Betty vs Perona

Hancock will turn Pica real body into stone, but since Pica can move through Rocks, it shouldn't stop him. But then again Pica also isn't Rock himself, and can only move through rocks, if we consider that it make more sense he is neutralised once turned into a Rock.
Kizaru vs BB, BB Blackhole appear to be superior to Light. Black Hole sucks in everything including Light, that's why it's completely dark.
Buggy is counter to Law normal slashes inside his Room.
Corazon can block/control sounds in particular area. So Apoo sound attacks should be useless on him.
Shiryuu is invisible, so Light theoretically should pass through him. But Kizaru Haki will allow him to Kick Shiryuu.

 

[RayanOO]

Interesting threads with interesting possibilities.

Yeah there are a lot of possibilities and interactions possible between DF.

Mr2 vs Devon. Both their abilities should work. Mr 2 acquiring her face and Devon turning into Mr2 imo.

I think that Mr. 2 and Devon powers can work on each other but which face will they have ? The original face of Devon/Mr.2 or the face they have impersonated ?

If Mr.2 touches Devon while she impersonates Absalom Mr.2 becomes Absalom or Devon ?

I agree with you for Hancock/Pica. Pica is not immune he can only mitigate.

Same with Law and Shiki both can control things , but inside the room who will have the best control ? If Law control somethig Shiki has touched ?

 

[Buusatan94]

Streusen's df might be able to neutralize df which are reliant on a specific material like Pica's Ishi Ishi no mi or even dangerous ones such as lava or poison by turning them into food.

 

[Finalbeta]

Streusen's df might be able to neutralize df which are reliant on a specific material like Pica's Ishi Ishi no mi or even dangerous ones such as lava or poison by turning them into food.

Yeah that's pretty much what I expect from the DF

 

[Buusatan94]

Big Mom may be able to turn some of Blackbeard's darkness into a darkness Homie with her power.

 

[RayanOO]

Big Mom may be able to turn some of Blackbeard's darkness into a darkness Homie with her power.

Don't you think that BB darkness will suck BM powers ?

 

[Buusatan94]

Don't you think that BB darkness will suck BM powers ?

Only if he touches her, it was strongly implied that BB had to touch his foes himself to be able to cancel their df power.

 

[RayanOO]

Only if he touches her, it was strongly implied that BB had to touch his foes himself to be able to cancel their df power.

Yes he can disable the DF powers by touching someone but the black hole is also a sucking device. BB sucked all the town so maybe if Big mom gave soul to it it will suck the soul too.

 

[Buusatan94]

Jora's art df could greatly decrease Hancock's Mero Mero power by turning her into a piece of art far less beautiful than Hancock's true appearance.