General & Others Diable Jambe/Ifrit Jambe Apreciation and Discussion thread

Actually I was correct, given DJ has almost been forgotten with IJ coming into place.
Yeah after 7 arcs and an entire character development subplot going on.

Most of the ts has passed already. It's eos and he's getting his powerups. Of course diable jambe introduced over 700 chapters ago is becoming obsolete.

But regular diable jambe kicks are now sanjis version of g2 and g3.

Still relevant. Still parralelled with zoro cutting kings wing/breaking queens arm
 

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Yeah after 7 arcs and an entire character development subplot going on.

Most of the ts has passed already. It's eos and he's getting his powerups. Of course diable jambe introduced over 700 chapters ago is becoming obsolete.

But regular diable jambe kicks are now sanjis version of g2 and g3.

Still relevant. Still parralelled with zoro cutting kings wing/breaking queens arm
My point is proven regardless. :sanmoji:
 
Sanji easily has the most fun looking fire attacks. I'm hoping because it's so cost heavy he can go between normal and ifrit DJ on the fly to save energy like goku going between God mode and blue.
 
Sanji's IJ is blue because it's the next level of his fire.

1. Above yellow fire (common Sanji's flame), is green flame. However author can't show it because it clashes with Zoro's color scheme. The next level fire color after green would be blue.

2. Green flame does not relate to temperature too. This is why Sanji's fire skips green flame and straight to blue flame. https://www.reference.com/science/color-hottest-flame-ea25c95668a5b0d1

3. It is scientifically made sense because blue flame is the hotter color RIGHT after yellow flame. If Oda suddenly uses white flame or violet flame, then his fire would be unnatural. He is not innate fire users so he can't do that.

4. It shows that Sanji's flame can be upgraded again. This is partly not possible because IJ is already using everything in Sanji's arsenal (haki+exoskeleton).
 
From nowhere. It was never stated nor implied that it has a high cost to use.

But some people just can't accept that Sanji can be so strong all the time, so they feel the need to make things up.
I wasnt making things up I was mixing it up with the energy drain from him going invisible. no need to react so extremely
 
I wasnt making things up I was mixing it up with the energy drain from him going invisible. no need to react so extremely
Sure, perhaps I exaggerated. I wasn't specifically referring to you though. I wrote that while having in mind what other people had said in other occasions as well.

Also, my point is that it's quite uncertain why exactly he fainted while talking to Osome; It wasn't directly stated that it was mainly because of one thing or because of another thing, so it's open for interpretation.

Considering how this is also something that happens in real life, realistically speaking, I would say that that he fainted because of a sense of relief he had as he talked to a pretty woman knowing that he had been able to fulfil his duty which was to beat Queen, so all the accumulated fatigue that wasn't noticeable while he was pumped up in his fight kicked in all of a sudden making his body rest as it knew that it could rest. So it's not like he necessarily wouldn't be able to keep fighting and using Ifrit Jambe and invisible speed if he really had to after beating Queen and facing a new enemy immediately afterwards; It's just that the sense of relief allowed him to rest.
And what caused the fatigue wasn't specifically the invisible speed, but all the things he did in Onigashima, including beating all those people while running around with Luffy and being chased by Black Maria, besides while carrying Zoro, and also all the damage he took from Black Maria and from Queen, all summing up, of course, with the effort he had to make to move at invisible speed and to use Ifrit Jambe and Diable Jambe so many times.
So yes, invisible speed is certainly one factor that made him lose stamina, but not the only one, nor necessarily a very relevant factor.
 
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Sure, perhaps I exaggerated. I wasn't specifically referring to you though. I wrote that while having in mind what other people had said in other occasions as well.

Also, my point is that it's quite uncertain why exactly he fainted while talking to Osome; It wasn't directly stated that it was mainly because of one thing or because of another thing, so it's open for interpretation.

Considering how this is also something that happens in real life, realistically speaking, I would say that that he fainted because of a sense of relief he had as he talked to a pretty woman knowing that he had been able to fulfil his duty which was to beat Queen, so all the accumulated fatigue that wasn't noticeable while he was pumped up in his fight kicked in all of a sudden making his body rest as it knew that it could rest. So it's not like he necessarily wouldn't be able to keep fighting and using Ifrit Jambe and invisible speed if he really had to after beating Queen and facing a new enemy immediately afterwards; It's just that the sense of relief allowed him to rest.
And what caused the fatigue wasn't specifically the invisible speed, but all the things he did in Onigashima, including beating all those people while running around with Luffy and being chased by Black Maria, besides while carrying Zoro, and also all the damage he took from Black Maria and from Queen, all summing up, of course, with the effort he had to make to move at invisible speed and to use Ifrit Jambe and Diable Jambe so many times.
So yes, invisible speed is certainly one factor that made him lose stamina, but not the only one, nor necessarily a very relevant factor.

And don't forget, he practically died because of Queen. His rejuvenation by exoskeleton also took away some stamina and strength. Healing from broken bones and ruptured insides surely consumes energy. This is what people often forgot.
 
I hope not. If Sanji begins to have some form of haki that had already been awakened in Luffy or in Zoro, then that will mean Sanji will be walking behind them.
So I prefer if Sanji only gets his own unique power ups instead of imitating Luffy or Zoro.

So far it's has been only Luffy who has been at least one step behind Sanji in the acquisition of some skill, like the ability to create fire or to Sky Walk, and not the other way around. And I find it very nice for Sanji.
 
I hope not. If Sanji begins to have some form of haki that had already been awakened in Luffy or in Zoro, then that will mean Sanji will be walking behind them.
So I prefer if Sanji only gets his own unique power ups instead of imitating Luffy or Zoro.

So far it's has been only Luffy who has been at least one step behind Sanji in the acquisition of some skill, like the ability to create fire or to Sky Walk, and not the other way around. And I find it very nice for Sanji.
If Sanji gets Adv CoC it wont even be the focus of the PU....the flames that he can conjure with AdvCoC protection will be.
 
You've got any ideas on what Sanji's last durability PU can be to help him get his strongest flames ?
Yeah, I admit that, considering just the information that we have from the manga so far, his new power-up being related to an awakening of Adv CoC is the most realistic possibility.

I can't really think of any other thing myself other than some silly ideas such as Sanji uncovering his other eye to show his true power like Zaraki Kenpachi, or some unpleasant ideas such as his new power up being a devil fruit that he will eat or it being related to a further stage of the awakening of his genes.

But what I mean to say is just that Oda may have the creativity to surprise everyone by turning the character into a totally unexpected direction with his last power up.

I'm quite sure that before the introduction of the Germa family no one expected that Sanji would one day be turned into a power ranger, for example. After Whole Cake Island arc the awakening of his genetic modification could be predicted though.
 
I think Oda reserve CoCting for combat focused characters, which is why I think Sanji won't get it. Besides, Oda gave Sanji fire (elemental damage) already. Especially, fire with lightning sparks. This is probably Oda's equivalent of AdCoC.

Yamato with CoCting and blunt damage.
Zoro with CoCting and cutting damage.
Sanji with fire damage.
Jinbe with water damage.

Poetic.
 
I think Oda reserve CoCting for combat focused characters, which is why I think Sanji won't get it. Besides, Oda gave Sanji fire (elemental damage) already. Especially, fire with lightning sparks. This is probably Oda's equivalent of AdCoC.

Yamato with CoCting and blunt damage.
Zoro with CoCting and cutting damage.
Sanji with fire damage.
Jinbe with water damage.

Poetic.
Yes Oda doesnt see Sanji as a combat foussed character

Thats why he ehanced his durability, strength, speed, gave him regen and a new lvl of DJ. Makes sense
 
You've got any ideas on what Sanji's last durability PU can be to help him get his strongest flames ?
The possible, reasonable explanation would be Vegapunk. Such as, Sanji asked him for Exoskeleton cure or something, but ended up upgrading his body.

Secondly, Raid Suit. This is an upgrade for his durability. Modified RS by Franky or Vegapunk that made it can emit flames now.

Lastly, but unconfirmed, a CoC barrier/defense part.

Haki (black) and Raid Suit (black) is a reasonable avenue to make black flames.

However I think blue fire would be too iconic, which means no black fire.
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Yes Oda doesnt see Sanji as a combat foussed character

Thats why he ehanced his durability, strength, speed, gave him regen and a new lvl of DJ. Makes sense
Yes. I view Sanji and Zoro like this. Zoro is the one-thing character, while Sanji is the versatile character. It's like, putting his skill points to one ability/stats, while the other spread it in several abilities/stats.
 
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