Break Week Did Judge want a Zoro? Sanji is jealous than Zoro
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Judge would have adored Zoro. Superhuman talent as a child without any experiments done on him.
It's surprising to see Zoro fans subscribe to the idea that Zoro would be the perfect Vinsmoke kid.
Question isn’t if Zoro would like being a Vinsmoke, the question is if Judge would be happy with Zoro.
Which he obviously would do. Judge didn‘t kick Sanji into the dungeons immediately after finding out that he was a failure , he told him he had to work harder to make up for it and then banned him from “chasing his mother’s shadow”. It was only after that failed he decided to pretend Sanji had died.
Whereas kid Zoro would have thrived in Judge‘s tests, because he was already superhuman. He was beating full grown men, Ichiji and co were considered a success because they were equal to full grown men. At some point there would have been a confrontation and Zoro would have walked out, but as a kid, Judge would have been happy with Zoro. Same way he was happy enough with Reiju.
Which he obviously would do. Judge didn‘t kick Sanji into the dungeons immediately after finding out that he was a failure , he told him he had to work harder to make up for it and then banned him from “chasing his mother’s shadow”. It was only after that failed he decided to pretend Sanji had died.
Whereas kid Zoro would have thrived in Judge‘s tests, because he was already superhuman. He was beating full grown men, Ichiji and co were considered a success because they were equal to full grown men. At some point there would have been a confrontation and Zoro would have walked out, but as a kid, Judge would have been happy with Zoro. Same way he was happy enough with Reiju.
But Judge would still be unhappy with Zoro acting unlike a Germa Kid and fighting him on that front.
That's why a big factor of the experiments he did on his kids was the removal of certain emotions, and it was important enough to be willing to turn his own children into "monsters".
Also he's oddly attached to the idea of them having the bulletproof skin and what not, since that's something he was still holding against Sanji in his speech towards Luffy, in spite of seeing that Sanji is very strong in regardless of that in WCI.
That's why a big factor of the experiments he did on his kids was the removal of certain emotions, and it was important enough to be willing to turn his own children into "monsters".
Also he's oddly attached to the idea of them having the bulletproof skin and what not, since that's something he was still holding against Sanji in his speech towards Luffy, in spite of seeing that Sanji is very strong in regardless of that in WCI.
I don’t think kid Zoro would have acted out. It’s not like he had the kids torture people to prove they are emotionless. All he had them do was train relentlessly, and Zoro would have loved that. Except for the school lessons.
They’d fall out at some stage, probably when he first tried to put Zoro into battle, but until then, Zoro and Judge would have been fine. Judge wouldn’t be delighted that his experiments failed, but he wouldn’t throw away a talented, hardworking superhuman kid.
They’d fall out at some stage, probably when he first tried to put Zoro into battle, but until then, Zoro and Judge would have been fine. Judge wouldn’t be delighted that his experiments failed, but he wouldn’t throw away a talented, hardworking superhuman kid.
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Zoro's different range of emotions would become obvious as well even as a kid. And like you said, he'd still be unhappy with the failure of the experiments.
Anyway, Zoro's obviously not the perfect Germa child. This discussion is incredibly dumb on every level. If you want to just discuss this out of the context of the story if Zoro would fit the mold, he does not. If you want to discuss it as presented here, saying that Sanji sees in Zoro the son his father wanted, that's again incredibly dumb since Zoro stands for none of the values expected of the leaders of Germa according to Judge.
The story never went there and obviously never will. We all pretty much know what this thread is about anyway.
Anyway, Zoro's obviously not the perfect Germa child. This discussion is incredibly dumb on every level. If you want to just discuss this out of the context of the story if Zoro would fit the mold, he does not. If you want to discuss it as presented here, saying that Sanji sees in Zoro the son his father wanted, that's again incredibly dumb since Zoro stands for none of the values expected of the leaders of Germa according to Judge.
The story never went there and obviously never will. We all pretty much know what this thread is about anyway.
I actually like Sanji because he reminds me of myself.
I am sure that Sanji sometimes felt jelous of Zoro and he probably reminded his father, Judge, words, when like Roronoa wanted to persue his dream and went against Mihawk or when happened the "nothing happened".
Of course Sanji doesn't totally want to be like Zoro, for example he's for sure happy to not be as stupid as marimo.
Sanji wants to be loved and to be a a good support to his crew, I think he possibly thought so many times to actually be a failure as Judge said, I am sure that the cook didn't love himself so many times because of his lack of power, because he couldn't protect his friends, I think he has fought so many times "why am I not strong enough to end this and that?"
That's why he left the crew, he didn't want to be a burden for his friends, that's why he played the bad guy role, he hoped that like he wouldn't have been a burden anymore for someone else.
But he isn't a burden, his mother protected him, his mother protected the "failure" Sanji, and he's not actually a failure, his kindness is the best part of him and reason of his strength, because he's actually really strong.
Because of him not loving himself he pushes his ego and acts in that way with women, he was also jelous of Jinbe when he was hugged, when he apperead to escort Luffy and so he pushed his ego by saying he was the one doing that.
Because of Judge, because of all of that, because of him being called a failure, Sanji wants to be the best.
I am sure that Sanji really admires Zoro for his determination and strength and, at the same time, wants to prove that he's better than him.
At the end, I think that Sanji should start to love himself and his kindness, just like his mother loved him and his way of be.
I am sure that Sanji sometimes felt jelous of Zoro and he probably reminded his father, Judge, words, when like Roronoa wanted to persue his dream and went against Mihawk or when happened the "nothing happened".
Of course Sanji doesn't totally want to be like Zoro, for example he's for sure happy to not be as stupid as marimo.
Sanji wants to be loved and to be a a good support to his crew, I think he possibly thought so many times to actually be a failure as Judge said, I am sure that the cook didn't love himself so many times because of his lack of power, because he couldn't protect his friends, I think he has fought so many times "why am I not strong enough to end this and that?"
That's why he left the crew, he didn't want to be a burden for his friends, that's why he played the bad guy role, he hoped that like he wouldn't have been a burden anymore for someone else.
But he isn't a burden, his mother protected him, his mother protected the "failure" Sanji, and he's not actually a failure, his kindness is the best part of him and reason of his strength, because he's actually really strong.
Because of him not loving himself he pushes his ego and acts in that way with women, he was also jelous of Jinbe when he was hugged, when he apperead to escort Luffy and so he pushed his ego by saying he was the one doing that.
Because of Judge, because of all of that, because of him being called a failure, Sanji wants to be the best.
I am sure that Sanji really admires Zoro for his determination and strength and, at the same time, wants to prove that he's better than him.
At the end, I think that Sanji should start to love himself and his kindness, just like his mother loved him and his way of be.
Not really, Zoro’s stoic.
And the emotion thing is very poorly done by Oda, Ichiji’s the only one who really comes across as emotionless most of the time. Niji and Yonji are always showing emotion. I think it’s meant to be a lack of empathy, but even then, Niji and Yonji show attachment to Judge at the Tea Party and try and rescue him from Big Mom.
I don’t really think it’s all that dumb at all. Has ulterior motives, but the question of what Judge would do had Zoro instead of Sanji is an interesting one. I don’t see Judge tossing away a child that is lifting boulders above his head 500 times
And the emotion thing is very poorly done by Oda, Ichiji’s the only one who really comes across as emotionless most of the time. Niji and Yonji are always showing emotion. I think it’s meant to be a lack of empathy, but even then, Niji and Yonji show attachment to Judge at the Tea Party and try and rescue him from Big Mom.
I don’t really think it’s all that dumb at all. Has ulterior motives, but the question of what Judge would do had Zoro instead of Sanji is an interesting one. I don’t see Judge tossing away a child that is lifting boulders above his head 500 times
Zoro was emoting as a kid quite a bit. He'd definitely cry with crocodile tears for the death of his mother if he did after Kuina's death.
At the end of the day Judge would still see Zoro as a failure for what he wants from his children.
Best way to test that is to think wether he'd also try to use Zoro the same way he did Sanji for the marriage with Big Mom's daughter. And he would, because he would not use one of his "precious kids", but he'd use the one who ran away and does not hold the same values he and his other children do.
At the end of the day Judge would still see Zoro as a failure for what he wants from his children.
Best way to test that is to think wether he'd also try to use Zoro the same way he did Sanji for the marriage with Big Mom's daughter. And he would, because he would not use one of his "precious kids", but he'd use the one who ran away and does not hold the same values he and his other children do.