Powers & Abilities Did King use CoC?

Gol D. Roger

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#81
Zoro is the origin of the energy being released. How'd he push himself with it? Like, how does that even work? You send Haki waves outside and then call them back towards yourself to push you down? Who the fuck do you guys think Zoro is, Fujitora? And why're we talking like a COC clash can't happen at around the same time that Zoro's trying to get his swords back?
 
#82
Zoro is the origin of the energy being released. How'd he push himself with it? Like, how does that even work? You send Haki waves outside and then call them back towards yourself to push you down? Who the fuck do you guys think Zoro is, Fujitora? And why're we talking like a COC clash can't happen at around the same time that Zoro's trying to get his swords back?
Its a CoC clash bro
Middle thing that @sanjikun is CoC signifies CoC clash
Even though out of 100, 99 things Sanjikun says are wrong, this is 1 of the right ones
 
#83
Zoro is the origin of the energy being released. How'd he push himself with it? Like, how does that even work? You send Haki waves outside and then call them back towards yourself to push you down? Who the fuck do you guys think Zoro is, Fujitora? And why're we talking like a COC clash can't happen at around the same time that Zoro's trying to get his swords back?
By your logic, how would they push themselves away if they both used CoC? If both can push each other away by colliding their CoC, Zoro should be able to push himself away just as well by using that same force one directional. Also, he might've used barrier Haki anyways and not CoC; the CoC lightning was just collateral.

King tried to grab Zoro's swords, would make not sense if he suddenly tried to push Zoro away. It was Zoro who said he won't let King do it.
 

Gol D. Roger

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#84
Except that no one is questioning whether Zoro has CoC.
And that changes nothing.

The argument is that looks like a CoC coating clash, which it CLEARLY isn't.

CoC Coating is indicated by curved lightning trail which King has never shown.
It wasn't COC coating—as in it's not the same as the non-touching attacks that Luffy and Kaido use. It was a basic COC clash like what happened b/w Katakuri and Luffy. A pure clash of wills.

By your logic, how would they push themselves away if they both used CoC? If both can push each other away by colliding their CoC, Zoro should be able to push himself away just as well by using that same force one directional. Also, he might've used barrier Haki anyways and not CoC; the CoC lightning was just collateral.

King tried to grab Zoro's swords, would make not sense if he suddenly tried to push Zoro away. It was Zoro who said he won't let King do it.
We've seen COC push things away with pressure. Shanks cracked WB's ship, Luffy and Doffy moved Law away with their clash, and Katakuri and Luffy have rocks flying around. But pushing yourself away is a different story altogether. That's unprecedented. No one ever used COC to move their own asses back and forth. COC doesn't work like that.
 
#86
And that changes nothing.



It wasn't COC coating—as in it's not the same as the non-touching attacks that Luffy and Kaido use. It was a basic COC clash like what happened b/w Katakuri and Luffy. A pure clash of wills.



We've seen COC push things away with pressure. Shanks cracked WB's ship, Luffy and Doffy moved Law away with their clash, and Katakuri and Luffy have rocks flying around. But pushing yourself away is a different story altogether. That's unprecedented. No one ever used COC to their own asses back and forth. COC doesn't work like that.
Even if King has coc it does not matter, dude was afraid to show his face even when he was working with kaido, dude is a legit cuck.
 

Gol D. Roger

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#87


@Gol D. Roger "it was a clash of wills"

:kaidowhat:

You haven't seen that lightning the moment King's blade grabbed Zoro's blades, right? Only the moment Zoro reacted and said "I won't allow you".
And what stops them from clashing with their wills after Zoro freed his swords? And if Zoro was the only one using COC, why did the Haki waves appear exactly in the middle? Why the equal focus on their eyes? And must Zoro use COC to get his swords back? Like he can't retract them?


Even if King has coc it does not matter, dude was afraid to show his face even when he was working with kaido, dude is a legit cuck.
Yes, it doesn't really matter if he has it or not. He can't use coating anyways.
 
#88
And what stops them from clashing with their wills after Zoro freed his swords? And if Zoro was the only one using COC, why did the Haki waves appear exactly in the middle? Why the equal focus on their eyes? And must Zoro use COC to get his swords back? Like he can't retract them?
Because that "clash after" was never displayed. First panel was King already having a grip on Zoro's swords, next panel is them remaining in the exact same position without swinging their blades again, just with distance. With Zoro saying it's all about not letting his sword being taken away. Zoro's eyes in those panels were a depiction of his reaction (widely open and exclamationmarks !!), while King's just looked determined.
 

Gol D. Roger

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#89
Because that "clash after" was never displayed. First panel was King already having a grip on Zoro's swords, next panel is them remaining in the exact same position without swinging their blades again, just with distance. With Zoro saying it's all about not letting his sword being taken away. Zoro's eyes in those panels were a depiction of his reaction (widely open and exclamationmarks !!), while King's just looked determined.
The way I see it. It was initially an attack by King i.e., King tried to hit Zoro when he was vulnerable but he defended, and then it became a struggle, a struggle b/w Zoro trying to save his swords and King equally trying to take them away. As a result, they both used their wills to intimidate each other during that struggle, and hence the equal emphasis on their eyes. There was a similar emphasis on Kuri and Luffy before their COC clash:


As I said earlier, you can use COC to push things away but King didn't budge an inch. You can't apply pressure on yourself with your own COC—COC never worked that way. There was the focus on their eyes, which is something Oda usually does to indicate COC usage. If Zoro was the only one using COC, the black lightning wouldn't appear exactly in the middle. The waves either spread towards Zoro or in the direction of King(if it's pushing him away).


This is how COC waves appear when only one of the two people involved uses COC:


COC waves mostly only appear in the middle if there is a clash. We also can't ignore how identical the depiction was to WB and Roger's clash. This chapter is packed with panels mirroring past events so I don't think it was a mere coincidence.
 
#90
The funniest thing is that Luffy and Katakuri used CoC to knock out fodder who wouldn't shut up. Zoro did the same as well. A clash between those two to silence the fodder would have been perfect. Yet, Oda choose to completely forego King using "basic" CoC there.

It was a basic COC clash like what happened b/w Katakuri and Luffy.
The only clash here is between reality and your headcanon. "Pure CoC" clash does not have breaks in the middle. That looks nothing like it.



This is what you get for hyping up King and shitting on Katakuri, when Katakuri was clearly on another level. Now you're clinging to scraps to justify your stupidity.
 
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Gol D. Roger

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#91
The only clash here is between reality and your headcanon. "Pure CoC" clash does not have breaks in the middle. That looks nothing like it.



This is what you get for hyping up King and shitting on Katakuri, when Katakuri was clearly on another level. Now you're clinging to scraps to justify your stupidity.
Yeah, like COC level-1 is so OP that it gives King a decisive advantage against Katakuri. Katakuri's chances of beating King are less than Zoro's chances at beating Kaido regardless of whether or not he has COC.
 
#99
I am not sure if King has COC but I am positive he does. However, I am rather certain your Kuri takes are about as bad as your Doffy takes. King > Katakuri, regardless of COC's involvement.
Yes, because King the background is not a conqueror. There are no Tobi Roppo that even respect him. The BMPs revere Katakuri. The only exception was Pero who wanted his own, and got clowned.

Even then, Perospero admits he is weaker than Katakuri. All BMPs are unanimous: Katakuri is the strongest.



 
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