Questions & Mysteries Did Sanji bend King's Beak
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@zzShinichi I moved the discussion over here
@Paperchampion23 dont know if you are still hooked to this topic but tried to move it to a new thread
@Paperchampion23 dont know if you are still hooked to this topic but tried to move it to a new thread
Alright. Let's look at the timeline.
First event. Chapter 988. King crashes Sanji into the tower saying that he will split him open. (fan translations here. I don't have access to the official ones right now). Luffy hypes the attack (the official translation is a little different, but still has the same meaning). So we can say that it WAS a strong attack. A full speed crash hurts. "speed is weight" or something was something Kizaru said back in Sabaody. And Physics also explains it.
Second event: Chapter 989. King appears but the beak is seen from an "above" perspective. Not possible to say if it's bent here or not.
Third event: Sanji gets up still in one piece, talking about the durability of the Raid Suit.
Event 4: King's beak has its tip offpanel. Again, we can't say whether it's bent or not.
Event 5: Chapter 990. King reverts back to "human form", so we have to skip until he reverts back to Zoan Form, while looking for any kind of event that could bend his nose during this time.
Event 6: Chapter 999. King's back to Zoan Form. There wasn't a single moment when he was attacked during his human form before this scene. His beak is clearly bent.
Event 7: Beak still bent. Even MORE clearly.
So there we have it. There was NOTHING aside from the crash that could have caused it.
First event. Chapter 988. King crashes Sanji into the tower saying that he will split him open. (fan translations here. I don't have access to the official ones right now). Luffy hypes the attack (the official translation is a little different, but still has the same meaning). So we can say that it WAS a strong attack. A full speed crash hurts. "speed is weight" or something was something Kizaru said back in Sabaody. And Physics also explains it.
Second event: Chapter 989. King appears but the beak is seen from an "above" perspective. Not possible to say if it's bent here or not.
Third event: Sanji gets up still in one piece, talking about the durability of the Raid Suit.
Event 4: King's beak has its tip offpanel. Again, we can't say whether it's bent or not.
Event 5: Chapter 990. King reverts back to "human form", so we have to skip until he reverts back to Zoan Form, while looking for any kind of event that could bend his nose during this time.
Event 6: Chapter 999. King's back to Zoan Form. There wasn't a single moment when he was attacked during his human form before this scene. His beak is clearly bent.
Event 7: Beak still bent. Even MORE clearly.
So there we have it. There was NOTHING aside from the crash that could have caused it.
Alright. Let's look at the timeline.
First event. Chapter 988. King crashes Sanji into the tower saying that he will split him open. (fan translations here. I don't have access to the official ones right now). Luffy hypes the attack (the official translation is a little different, but still has the same meaning). So we can say that it WAS a strong attack. A full speed crash hurts. "speed is weight" or something was something Kizaru said back in Sabaody. And Physics also explains it.
Second event: Chapter 989. King appears but the beak is seen from an "above" perspective. Not possible to say if it's bent here or not.
Third event: Sanji gets up still in one piece, talking about the durability of the Raid Suit.
Event 4: King's beak has its tip offpanel. Again, we can't say whether it's bent or not.
Event 5: Chapter 990. King reverts back to "human form", so we have to skip until he reverts back to Zoan Form, while looking for any kind of event that could bend his nose during this time.
Event 6: Chapter 999. King's back to Zoan Form. There wasn't a single moment when he was attacked during his human form before this scene. His beak is clearly bent.
Event 7: Beak still bent. Even MORE clearly.
So there we have it. There was NOTHING aside from the crash that could have caused it.
First event. Chapter 988. King crashes Sanji into the tower saying that he will split him open. (fan translations here. I don't have access to the official ones right now). Luffy hypes the attack (the official translation is a little different, but still has the same meaning). So we can say that it WAS a strong attack. A full speed crash hurts. "speed is weight" or something was something Kizaru said back in Sabaody. And Physics also explains it.
Second event: Chapter 989. King appears but the beak is seen from an "above" perspective. Not possible to say if it's bent here or not.
Third event: Sanji gets up still in one piece, talking about the durability of the Raid Suit.
Event 4: King's beak has its tip offpanel. Again, we can't say whether it's bent or not.
Event 5: Chapter 990. King reverts back to "human form", so we have to skip until he reverts back to Zoan Form, while looking for any kind of event that could bend his nose during this time.
Event 6: Chapter 999. King's back to Zoan Form. There wasn't a single moment when he was attacked during his human form before this scene. His beak is clearly bent.
Event 7: Beak still bent. Even MORE clearly.
So there we have it. There was NOTHING aside from the crash that could have caused it.
I've said it before and I'm gonna repeat myself here.
There are 2 possible scenarios.
1- The beak was bent due to trying to crash Sanji into the wall and the RS's durability protecting him.
2- Oda decided to change King's looks.
It's something completely transparent that the option 1 is more LIKELY to be the case. Does not mean the option 2 could not be the right choice. But I would rather go for the option with better odds.
If it really was the option 1, there's no reason to believe a future exchange between Sanji and King mentioning this fact couldn't happen. Also doesn't even mean they would be their respective 1v1. Just that they would probably taunt each other at some point.
There are 2 possible scenarios.
1- The beak was bent due to trying to crash Sanji into the wall and the RS's durability protecting him.
2- Oda decided to change King's looks.
It's something completely transparent that the option 1 is more LIKELY to be the case. Does not mean the option 2 could not be the right choice. But I would rather go for the option with better odds.
If it really was the option 1, there's no reason to believe a future exchange between Sanji and King mentioning this fact couldn't happen. Also doesn't even mean they would be their respective 1v1. Just that they would probably taunt each other at some point.
Reposting from the spoiler thread. It's a stylized choice. You only have one example of kings face as full zoan before Sanji's clash with him. One exact angle:
Only post I'm making about it, if people want to be hardheaded about something that was nonexistent or communicated in the manga (i.e., the idea that Sanji damaged or bent his beak), then that's on them
Funny enough, I've shown him examples where Morgans' beak is not consistently drawn the same way. Sometimes it's more rounded. Sometimes it's more straight. Sometimes it's more sharp. When shown front you can't even tell it's bent.
Like look at these images for King:
You can clearly see that in King's intro for his fruit, the beak is clearly not perfectly straight off the bat. It curves down, just less exaggerated than Morgans' because it's longer. This is also the ONLY clear instance of King's appearance in beast form before Sanji and him clash. This is the ONLY example people can pull from. We can't see how other angles look. We can't see how Oda would have drawn it in other ways, because he never does until after they clash.
Then you have this one, in his reintroduction after they clash:
Look at precisely at how the Oda drew King here. Kings face is more in the foreground here than the background. You are seeing his face more up close, and the beak is drawn in a way to show that there has always been a curvature to his beak. If the argument is that the beak is bent, you'd see clear damage to it or a "rinkle" on his beak, indicating its actually bent out of shape. Think when Luffy punches Caesar in the face so hard it literally bends his face in 3 directions:
Comparing to that, the beak looks perfectly fine in that regard. No blood, no bruising, no actual impactful damage. It's never even mentioned that he WAS hurt, unlike Sanji who got panels of him hurt on the ground.
So it's not that his beak was bent, it's that his beak was always bent to begin with. Not on the level of Morgans, but literally just based on how it's drawn initially. There are examples where his beak goes back to looking more straight too like the first image:
Tldr: It's a stylized choice by Oda when to curve King's beak, which is namely dependent in the way King's face is drawn (angle, open mouth, closed mouth). The single "angle" argument that people were using before to say that his beak (in the 4th image) is only straight due to the angle is actually an argument against them, because we've only seen one image of King's beast form before he and Sanji clash and it is also straight with the same exact angle. Its also NOT consistent at all even when drawn from the same angles.
Like look at these images for King:
You can clearly see that in King's intro for his fruit, the beak is clearly not perfectly straight off the bat. It curves down, just less exaggerated than Morgans' because it's longer. This is also the ONLY clear instance of King's appearance in beast form before Sanji and him clash. This is the ONLY example people can pull from. We can't see how other angles look. We can't see how Oda would have drawn it in other ways, because he never does until after they clash.
Then you have this one, in his reintroduction after they clash:
Look at precisely at how the Oda drew King here. Kings face is more in the foreground here than the background. You are seeing his face more up close, and the beak is drawn in a way to show that there has always been a curvature to his beak. If the argument is that the beak is bent, you'd see clear damage to it or a "rinkle" on his beak, indicating its actually bent out of shape. Think when Luffy punches Caesar in the face so hard it literally bends his face in 3 directions:
Comparing to that, the beak looks perfectly fine in that regard. No blood, no bruising, no actual impactful damage. It's never even mentioned that he WAS hurt, unlike Sanji who got panels of him hurt on the ground.
So it's not that his beak was bent, it's that his beak was always bent to begin with. Not on the level of Morgans, but literally just based on how it's drawn initially. There are examples where his beak goes back to looking more straight too like the first image:
Tldr: It's a stylized choice by Oda when to curve King's beak, which is namely dependent in the way King's face is drawn (angle, open mouth, closed mouth). The single "angle" argument that people were using before to say that his beak (in the 4th image) is only straight due to the angle is actually an argument against them, because we've only seen one image of King's beast form before he and Sanji clash and it is also straight with the same exact angle. Its also NOT consistent at all even when drawn from the same angles.
oda would be fundamentally changing the looks of his Df since that dinosaur never had a bent beak..
if it is the case it wouldn't be logical for oda to keep making this mistake consistently panel to panel
and Stylist isn't even a proper argument coz it contradicts actuality and its fucking hideous for an aesthetic
if it is the case it wouldn't be logical for oda to keep making this mistake consistently panel to panel
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and Stylist isn't even a proper argument coz it contradicts actuality and its fucking hideous for an aesthetic
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