Speculations Did Silver axe and shiki fought Gaban and Rayleigh?
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"We knew"? Who is "we"?
I wasn't trying "to sell" anything, I was making a statement, not an argument to convince people. Whitebeard fighting Garling is something you have pulled straight out of your ass, what makes you think I care about your headcanon matchup?
Rayleigh is not equal to Roger, you're free to delude yourself into thinking that though.
I wasn't trying "to sell" anything, I was making a statement, not an argument to convince people. Whitebeard fighting Garling is something you have pulled straight out of your ass, what makes you think I care about your headcanon matchup?
Rayleigh is not equal to Roger, you're free to delude yourself into thinking that though.
Xebec > WB > Shiki = BM > Silver Axe > Wang Zhi > Kaido > Gloriosa > Barbel/Don Marlon/Ganzui/Baster
Xebec vs Roger & Garp
WB vs Garling
Shiki vs Rayleigh
Silver Axe vs Gaban
Wang Zhi vs A HK (Sommers?)
Kaido vs A HK (Skull Mask?)
Gloriosa vs Tsuru
Barbel vs Sunbell
Don Marlon vs Bogard
Ganzui vs Seagull
Baster vs Petermoo
Big Mom probably had a skirmish with Saturn, took the fruit and just left. She seemed took focused on her own separate objective.
Xebec vs Roger & Garp
WB vs Garling
Shiki vs Rayleigh
Silver Axe vs Gaban
Wang Zhi vs A HK (Sommers?)
Kaido vs A HK (Skull Mask?)
Gloriosa vs Tsuru
Barbel vs Sunbell
Don Marlon vs Bogard
Ganzui vs Seagull
Baster vs Petermoo
Big Mom probably had a skirmish with Saturn, took the fruit and just left. She seemed took focused on her own separate objective.
Look around I suppose.
Go on then. If that happens, I hope you'll be coherent and make Shiki > WB statements then.
Equal doesn't mean he is axactly as strong, it means he is comparable. We had Garp comparing Ray to WB even back in Sabaody, we had an emperor shying away from old Ray, we had ray standing shoulder to should to Roger in Erbaf, his and Shanks' CoC were put on the same level (and Shanks' CoC was punt on the same level as Joy Boy's, as crazy as it is), etc.
I don't see why fighting Ray would be bad for anyone, unless this one is Imu.
Go on then. If that happens, I hope you'll be coherent and make Shiki > WB statements then.
Equal doesn't mean he is axactly as strong, it means he is comparable. We had Garp comparing Ray to WB even back in Sabaody, we had an emperor shying away from old Ray, we had ray standing shoulder to should to Roger in Erbaf, his and Shanks' CoC were put on the same level (and Shanks' CoC was punt on the same level as Joy Boy's, as crazy as it is), etc.
I don't see why fighting Ray would be bad for anyone, unless this one is Imu.
"Equal doesn't mean he is exactly as strong"
Garp said that both Rayleigh and Whitebeard are legends, which is true, it doesn't mean anything for strength.
Blackbeard is a coward and it was specifically noted to that Rayleigh's reputation is what scared Blackbeard away, with Rayleigh admitting that he'd stand no chance in a fight.
Rayleigh is not equal to Roger or even close.
Rayleigh's CoC was never put on Shanks' level, this is yet another misconception.
Garp said that both Rayleigh and Whitebeard are legends, which is true, it doesn't mean anything for strength.
Blackbeard is a coward and it was specifically noted to that Rayleigh's reputation is what scared Blackbeard away, with Rayleigh admitting that he'd stand no chance in a fight.
Rayleigh is not equal to Roger or even close.
Rayleigh's CoC was never put on Shanks' level, this is yet another misconception.
"Equal doesn't mean he is exactly as strong"
Yeah, Garp was probably concerned about the accommodations and not Rays' strength when he said they wouldn't take on two legend at the same time.
Yeah, this too: Teach was probably concerned about Ray's reputation of candy seller lol.
Obv. he was his reputation, because he was so strong that even in old age Teach didn't want to have a fight with him.
Ask Oda why as CoC examples he chose Shanks and Ray and not someone different then.
Then you need to re-educate yourself on the definition of "equal".
He was concerned about the Marines taking on two legends at once, he was not saying Rayleigh = Whitebeard or Rayleigh =< Whitebeard, there is no comparison in power like you're trying to invent.
He was scared of Rayleigh's legendary reputation yes, the manga literally includes Rayleigh stating that he'd stand no chance in a fight against Blackbeard lmao.
Because there were hardly any CoC users revealed at that time, even fewer that had actually demonstrated it on screen.
Either way, using Rayleigh and Shanks in an example does not make them equal, again this comes down to you interpreting things solely for your powerscaling agenda.
He was concerned about the Marines taking on two legends at once, he was not saying Rayleigh = Whitebeard or Rayleigh =< Whitebeard, there is no comparison in power like you're trying to invent.
He was scared of Rayleigh's legendary reputation yes, the manga literally includes Rayleigh stating that he'd stand no chance in a fight against Blackbeard lmao.
Because there were hardly any CoC users revealed at that time, even fewer that had actually demonstrated it on screen.
Either way, using Rayleigh and Shanks in an example does not make them equal, again this comes down to you interpreting things solely for your powerscaling agenda.
You might find useful hints about terms like approximation. Just saying.
Garp literally told whey wouldn't took two legend at the same time, putting Ray and WB in the same sentence and in comparison.,
Yeah, and that includes Ray being that strong in his prime that his fame alone kept BB to fight against old Ray.
Could have used WB, or Roger, or Dragon.
Yeah, my well known Ray agenda.
Garp literally told whey wouldn't took two legend at the same time, putting Ray and WB in the same sentence and in comparison.,
Yeah, and that includes Ray being that strong in his prime that his fame alone kept BB to fight against old Ray.
Could have used WB, or Roger, or Dragon.
Yeah, my well known Ray agenda.
They literally mobilized their entire force for Whitebeard alone, all Admirals, Shichibukai, Sengoku, Garp, most known Vice Admirals etc and still Sengoku said they could lose, of course taking on another legend when they have nothing to spare would be a terrible idea.
And your guess is as good as mine for how that fight would go, just headcanon at the end of the day.
None of them were confirmed CoC users at the time and none of them had demonstrated it.
Rayleigh and Shanks had hype moments where they used CoC and are immediately recognizable for it, Shanks when he was on Whitebeard's ship and Rayleigh at the slave auction, it's obvious when you think about things logically instead of solely from a powerscaling perspective.
Not necessarily a Rayleigh agenda specifically, but more like wanting to reinforce your own faulty personal powerscaling so you interpret things in ways that suits it, and besides, you wank Rayleigh to wank Admirals, it isn't subtle.
And your guess is as good as mine for how that fight would go, just headcanon at the end of the day.
None of them were confirmed CoC users at the time and none of them had demonstrated it.
Rayleigh and Shanks had hype moments where they used CoC and are immediately recognizable for it, Shanks when he was on Whitebeard's ship and Rayleigh at the slave auction, it's obvious when you think about things logically instead of solely from a powerscaling perspective.
Not necessarily a Rayleigh agenda specifically, but more like wanting to reinforce your own faulty personal powerscaling so you interpret things in ways that suits it, and besides, you wank Rayleigh to wank Admirals, it isn't subtle.
That's not the point: the point is what Garp said, meaning quoting Ray and WB as two comparable Legends.
Not even importat anyway. What's important Is BB shying away from old Ray because of young Ray reputation.
All of them were at the time of the SBS.
But why he had to say both?
Could have just said Shanks or Ray, if one was clearly superior.
Kizaru has long sueprassed that hype moment. Sure, I can bring Ray if someone says someting about think losing against, idk, strong haki users, but It's not fighting old Ray the thing.
Even though yeah, impressive.
Not even importat anyway. What's important Is BB shying away from old Ray because of young Ray reputation.
All of them were at the time of the SBS.
But why he had to say both?
Could have just said Shanks or Ray, if one was clearly superior.
Kizaru has long sueprassed that hype moment. Sure, I can bring Ray if someone says someting about think losing against, idk, strong haki users, but It's not fighting old Ray the thing.
Even though yeah, impressive.
Not outright equal yet clearly above the typical Yonko pay-grade. Amidst all his narrative and being compared to the Legends that stood on same pedestal as Roger, including Roger himself, believing Ray is just some bottom rug Top Tier who's barely above Admirals is so weird.
And it'd take nothing away from Shiki.
And it'd take nothing away from Shiki.
Literally nothing puts him above Yonko. He's a legend because he's a noteworthy figure from the previous era, that's it, all the old gen guys are legends, even Chinjao is a legend lmao, it doesn't make them equal or relative.
I didn't say he was barely above Admirals, in his prime he's quite a ways above Kizaru in my mind. And since when does being above Admirals make one a "bottom rug top tier"?
I didn't say he was barely above Admirals, in his prime he's quite a ways above Kizaru in my mind. And since when does being above Admirals make one a "bottom rug top tier"?
Shiki was comparable to Roger and WB, even if he was slightly weaker.
Prime Ray's portrayal puts him among the strongest of that era, even if he was slightly inferior to his captain.
@SkySanji is desperately trying to convince us that it would be bad for Shiki if he fights Ray cuz he can't accept that Ray was that strong.
Prime Ray's portrayal puts him among the strongest of that era, even if he was slightly inferior to his captain.
@SkySanji is desperately trying to convince us that it would be bad for Shiki if he fights Ray cuz he can't accept that Ray was that strong.
I mean I’d hardly call the Holy Knights fodder given how strong they seem to be
Running the gauntlet against the HK’s solo would be incredibly impressive
Whether that’s better or worse than fighting Silver Axe is up to your personal interpretation. I just think him fighting and bodying the Holy Knights makes more sense given Sommers’ reaction to his appearance
Though I acknowledge there’s a pretty big chance he fought Silver Axe anyway
Running the gauntlet against the HK’s solo would be incredibly impressive
Whether that’s better or worse than fighting Silver Axe is up to your personal interpretation. I just think him fighting and bodying the Holy Knights makes more sense given Sommers’ reaction to his appearance
Though I acknowledge there’s a pretty big chance he fought Silver Axe anyway