Questions & Mysteries Did the Marines/WG win in Egghead?

[NAMELESS]

They pretty much accomplished all their goals that they set out to do when they arrived on Egghead. Meanwhile the Straw Hats FAILED to protect Vegapunk (Stella)...

is this the first time the villains / antagonists win in an arc?

Vegapunk is still alive and now the whole world knows about the shady business regarding the void century. The WG took a massive blow actually.

 

[Dragon777]

Vegapunk is still alive and now the whole world knows about the shady business regarding the void century. The WG took a massive blow actually.

Someone should tell Kizaru that he is crying for nothing then, since his best friend Is still alive.

Surely this was what Oda wanted to convey.

That Is to say: that phrase from Lilith Is as bad as It gets.

 

[Gauntlet]

Someone should tell Kizaru that he is crying for nothing then, since his best friend Is still alive.

Surely this was what Oda wanted to convey.

That Is to say: that phrase from Lilith Is as bad as It gets.

Indeed. Loda can't have his cake and eat it too. If Lilith truly is Vegapunk, then Kizaru's making a mountain out of a mole hill as York, who is also Vegapunk, is alive as well.

 

[Dragon777]

Indeed. Loda can't have his cake and eat it too. If Lilith truly is Vegapunk, then Kizaru's making a mountain out of a mole hill as York, who is also Vegapunk, is alive as well.

Yeah, that phrase Is simply absurd and wrong.

I get Oda Is quite allergic to real and definitive Ls for the mugi and Luffy, but this Is It.

 

[Gauntlet]

Yeah, that phrase Is simply absurd and wrong.

I get Oda Is quite allergic to real and definitive Ls for the mugi and Luffy, but this Is It.

Yea. It's simply idiotic for Luffy and the crew to eat up Lilith's explanation of Vegapunk not actually being dead because she's alive, yet simultaneously have Kizalu's pouting about Vegapunk being dead, and have the audience feel bad for Kizalu when we hear Lilith explaining the Vegapunk isn't dead. It gives off mixed signals.

 

[Dragon777]

Yea. It's simply idiotic for Luffy and the crew to eat up Lilith's explanation of Vegapunk not actually being dead because she's alive, yet simultaneously have Kizalu's pouting about Vegapunk being dead, and have the audience feel bad for Kizalu when we hear Lilith explaining the Vegapunk isn't dead. It gives off mixed signals.

And tbh it Is also a shame: It could have been an important moment, with a Viking funeral maybe.
But no: nonsense.

Ok

 

[Gorosei]

Gorosei hard carried. Only failing to kill one Satelite.

Marines + World Government, six top tiers, failed against just one.

Five Top tiers VS 1 Top Tier and a God Tier

 

[odaisalwaysright]

If it were as you say his bounty would reflect it. They just think he is a very strong dude and an amazing schemer. They know Mihawk is stronger.

bounties have no worth anymore, zoro beat king and he still has lower bounty, crocoboy has a 2billion bounty almost as big as BB double fruit who turned marineford upside down and threatened to sink it + created emperor crew and recruited aokiji as his commander ( cuz joined more than 1 year before ) marine already know aokiji work under bb long ago. still they gave bb 2 billion as crocoboy
STILL relevant to people or the author ?

 

[Ninja9999]

They won the battle but this is the first step to their loss of the war. They completed their short term objectives but once again failed more important longer term objectives like eliminating the Strawhats and Vegapunks. Those failures will have far great impact on the long term then the goals they did achieve.

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

bounties have no worth anymore, zoro beat king and he still has lower bounty, crocoboy has a 2billion bounty almost as big as BB double fruit who turned marineford upside down and threatened to sink it + created emperor crew and recruited aokiji as his commander ( cuz joined more than 1 year before ) marine already know aokiji work under bb long ago. still they gave bb 2 billion as crocoboy
STILL relevant to people or the author ?

Zoro is more or less around King's bounty, also King is a Lunarian and the government may need him. Blackbeard's bounty is now twice that of Crocodile, by the way Marineford Blackbeard wasn't really all that impressive apart from his fruits.

 

[odaisalwaysright]

Zoro is more or less around King's bounty, also King is a Lunarian and the government may need him. Blackbeard's bounty is now twice that of Crocodile, by the way Marineford Blackbeard wasn't really all that impressive apart from his fruits.

marine still gave 2billion bounty to bb just as crocoboy for WHOLE YEAR while being an emperor commanding the likes of shiryu and kuzan and after all what he ve done, bounties have no more worth. its just a failed hype tool, blackbeard did scare shanks before even having his fruits and he still impressing him more than anybody in this world

 

[trav]

Okay, and?

Lets be realistic here.
No one wins unless Luffy is dead.
As long as Luffy is alive and out there the WG is doomed.

I see not real benefit of counting miniscule Ws when the general outcome remains unchanged.

 

[BlackLegFring]

Yes they did. This should have been a somber moment of reflection for the Strawhats. Oda is allergic to that though and still wanted to have a celebration despite Vegapunk’s corpse rotting on the giants’ ship.
He came up with probably the stupidest single thing in this manga with Vegapunk’s plan just to try and justify it.

 

[Bullet]

Vegapunk is alive still and the broadcast balances the other things they gained.

 

[Erkan12]

If it were as you say his bounty would reflect it. They just think he is a very strong dude and an amazing schemer. They know Mihawk is stronger.

Based on what they know Mihawk is stronger?

Kaido and BM were equal partners. If Kaido become BM's underling, everyone would think BM > Kaido from that moment.

They clearly think Buggy > Mihawk as they say Mihawk yield to Buggy's authority.

If you are going to use bounties to say they think Mihawk>Buggy, then you have no chance but to admit they also think Shanks or Teach > Mihawk.

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

Based on what they know Mihawk is stronger?

Kaido and BM were equal partners. If Kaido become BM's underling, everyone would think BM > Kaido from that moment.

They clearly think Buggy > Mihawk as they say Mihawk yield to Buggy's authority.

If you are going to use bounties to say they think Mihawk>Buggy, then you have no chance but to admit they also think Shanks or Teach > Mihawk.

It's unprecedented for a Yonko and a Captain to have a lower bounty than his subordinate, they probably think Mihawk is stronger but Buggy is the brain. For all we know they might also think that Blackbeard and Shanks are stronger than Mihawk, I don't know.

 

[Erkan12]

It's unprecedented for a Yonko and a Captain to have a lower bounty than his subordinate, they probably think Mihawk is stronger but Buggy is the brain. For all we know they might also think that Blackbeard and Shanks are stronger than Mihawk, I don't know.

Because Mihawk just joined Buggy unlike other Emperor and their underlings who were with them for a long time.

If the reason Buggy become Emperor is only because he make Mihawk his underling, he made him his inferior then its different than rest.

Buggy wasn't even a Emperor candidate or fifth Emperor, his rise to top was unusual than the rest so you can't compare Buggy situation with other Emperors crews.

As someone said above, its a comparable situation to Zolo beating Alber but still having lower bounty than Alber because previously Zolo had even lower bounty than Sanji, Buggy is similar to that as he wasn't even considered Emperor candidate he suddenly skipped all the steps and directly become Emperor unlike others.

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

Because Mihawk just joined Buggy unlike other Emperor and their underlings who were with them for a long time.

If the reason Buggy become Emperor is only because he make Mihawk his underling, he made him his inferior then its different than rest.

Buggy wasn't even a Emperor candidate or fifth Emperor, his rise to top was unusual than the rest so you can't compare Buggy situation with other Emperors crews.

As someone said above, its a comparable situation to Zolo beating Alber but still having lower bounty than Alber because previously Zolo had even lower bounty than Sanji, Buggy is similar to that as he wasn't even considered Emperor candidate he suddenly skipped all the steps and directly become Emperor unlike others.

Buggy's and Mihawk's bounties were decided after the former was already established as the leader for Cross Guild. They knew Buggy was the boss but they still gave Mihawk a higher bounty.

 

[Erkan12]

Buggy's and Mihawk's bounties were decided after the former was already established as the leader for Cross Guild. They knew Buggy was the boss but they still gave Mihawk a higher bounty.

They knew Zolo and Sanji beat Alber and Queen, their bounties still lower.

Mihawk is a Marine Hunter long before than Buggy and Croc, thats a factor as well just like you think Alber being Lunarian was the reason he still has bigger bounty than Zolo.

 

[JoNdule]

Buggy's and Mihawk's bounties were decided after the former was already established as the leader for Cross Guild. They knew Buggy was the boss but they still gave Mihawk a higher bounty.

That's because Mihawk already had bigger frozen bounty than 15M Buggy