Questions & Mysteries Did Zoro use advanced Conquerors Haki against Kaido in Chapter 1010?

[Z-Saber]

No you are one of the biggest haters i have come across

Right… I guess it’ll take me saying “Zoro > Luffy” or “Zoro one shot’s Kaido” for me not to be a hater. Sorry, I’m just a fan, not a delusional sword swallower

 

[Iam25]

Then why can't bm/Shanks scar Kaido

I dunno maybe they didn't get a clean hit. Enma is not that strong of a sword its not a 12 supreme grade sword

 

[JoNdule]

I dunno maybe they didn't get a clean hit. Enma is not that strong of a sword its not a 12 supreme grade sword

It's not about grades
It's about enma being special to drain or boost haki

 

[Z-Saber]

Lasting scar =/= lasting damage
Two completely different things.

Lasting damage = what Zoro had after Mihawk's fight which troubled him in some moments in his fight against Hachi.
Kaido is not hindered at all by Zoro's attack from what we saw until now. When we'll have a Lucci's moment with him (when his legs failed because of the lasting damage of the G3 from Luffy), then you can say Zoro did lasting damage.

For now, CoC, or whatever he used, is simply the means to block Kaido's regeneration. He can't fully heal scars inflicted by CoC imbued attacks, that's all.


The CoC bursts are because they both clashed attacks.
Zoro didn't clash any attack with Kaido, he cut him cleanly.

Just because Kaido isn’t struggling to stay on his feet after the attack doesn’t mean he didn’t do lasting damage though. It just means he hasn’t taken significant enough damage to be in that state yet.

 

[Iam25]

It's not about grades
It's about enma being special to drain or boost haki

Or maybe they didn't get a clean hit.

I fully believe Oden is a yonko tier person. Look at him being pictured with Shanks and Rocks

 

[PurpleSwordsman]

Just because Kaido isn’t struggling to stay on his feet after the attack doesn’t mean he didn’t do lasting damage though. It just means he hasn’t taken significant enough damage to be in that state yet.

Then you are blatantly assuming he has lasting damage from that attack without any proof like in the examples I said

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Imagine kaido isn't excited that zoro can use adcoc but rather annoyed
Whole he's excited when Luffy uses adcoc

Yeah, you are not annoyed if you enjoy fights and wanna fights strong people and you define strong people the ones with Adv CoC in the next minute.

 

[Z-Saber]

Then you are blatantly assuming he has lasting damage from that attack without any proof like in the examples I said

A scar isn’t something that heals instantly though, it takes time therefore inflicting damage that will eventually leave a scar is lasting damage. Kaido has high durability and high endurance, him not being on death’s door after the attack doesn’t mean it isn’t hindering him at all.

 

[mly90]

Imagine kaido isn't excited that zoro can use adcoc but rather annoyed
Whole he's excited when Luffy uses adcoc

He never showed any excitement over Yamato we know she has adv CoC and was using it this latest chapter

 

[humanbeing]

I think Ashura itself is a CoC haki unconscious use itself. Luffy for example since the beginning became always power-boost when he is pissed off like when Arlong called Nami a tool he destroyed Arlong's weapon with his fingers , or against Lucci he was basically Koed but he stand up and finished with an enraged gatling. i would call that unconscious use of king's haki or armament haki.

 

[HA001]

Lasting scar =/= lasting damage
Two completely different things.

Lasting damage = what Zoro had after Mihawk's fight which troubled him in some moments in his fight against Hachi.
Kaido is not hindered at all by Zoro's attack from what we saw until now. When we'll have a Lucci's moment with him (when his legs failed because of the lasting damage of the G3 from Luffy), then you can say Zoro did lasting damage.

For now, CoC, or whatever he used, is simply the means to block Kaido's regeneration. He can't fully heal scars inflicted by CoC imbued attacks, that's all.


The CoC bursts are because they both clashed attacks.
Zoro didn't clash any attack with Kaido, he cut him cleanly.

No normal coc is always a coc burst like even unconsciously like luffy in Impel Down to wolves or on amazon lily where even the spectators saw and felt it.
Even kaido says nothing of coc until he's hit by the attack. Zoro coated his attack in coc unconsciously

 

[ConquistadoR]

Then why can't bm/Shanks scar Kaido

Because they didn't. They can very well scar Kaido and if they manage to land an attack coated with advCoC. They just didn't fight that seriously yet lol. This is like saying why didn't Roger/Whitebeard/Rocks scar Kaido. Pretty sure they can do much more than just scarring Kaido but they just didn't fight him seriously enough to do so.

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Imagine kaido isn't excited that zoro can use adcoc but rather annoyed
Whole he's excited when Luffy uses adcoc

He was excited well before Luffy used adv CoC. He was excited about this battle when he was pushed to go into hybrid form in chapter 1003.

Spoiler: This is fun!

And he said that this generation is proving to be an annoyance. He wasn't talking about Zoro alone, but rather the rooftop 5 which includes Luffy.

Spoiler: "Your generation is proving to be an annoyance"

Stop lying @Echizen_Jo_Ndule you're just embarassing yourself now.

 

[Finalbeta]

Imagine kaido isn't excited that zoro can use adcoc but rather annoyed
Whole he's excited when Luffy uses adcoc

???

 

[Iam25]

???

Absolutely no way Asura isn't some form of AdCoC.

 

[Rekien]

Using it to atack someone is confirmed to be the adv version of it....the basic version just being letting your "aura" out to KO fodder

 

[Finalbeta]

Absolutely no way Asura isn't some form of AdCoC.

Oda did mention that only under ACoC Kaido can be scarred by a sword in the last SBS right? Not that there were many doubts Oda used it I guess, Ndule is just that stubborn all the time.

 

[stairs-kun]

No. He used pure CoA.

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Zoro pure CoA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luffy's aCoC+aCoA

 

[PurpleSwordsman]

A scar isn’t something that heals instantly though, it takes time therefore inflicting damage that will eventually leave a scar is lasting damage. Kaido has high durability and high endurance, him not being on death’s door after the attack doesn’t mean it isn’t hindering him at all.

What you mean as "lasting" damage is the fact that the skin will have that scar forever and you are merging it with the "lasting damage" stuff like in my examples about Lucci or Zoro.
Two completely different things. The first one is irrelevant for the combat power since it doesn't affect the user display at all, the second is the one that matters.
Zoro for now is in the first case. That's nothing impressive since any Scabbard (or any character comparable in power) could make the same if they had CoC since all of them can wound Kaido. Togen Totsuka of them did more damage to Kaido than Zoro's Ashura by far, but they couldn't make him more ugly forever. That's the only difference.

No normal coc is always a coc burst like even unconsciously like luffy in Impel Down to wolves or on amazon lily where even the spectators saw and felt it.
Even kaido says nothing of coc until he's hit by the attack. Zoro coated his attack in coc unconsciously

Normal CoC without hitting = a "mental" attack
Normal CoC by hitting = a "physical" attack, Luffy vs Doffy, etc used this unconsciously.
What's so difficult to get lmao?

 

[BornInAbyss]

What you mean as "lasting" damage is the fact that the skin will have that scar forever and you are merging it with the "lasting damage" stuff like in my examples about Lucci or Zoro.
Two completely different things. The first one is irrelevant for the combat power since it doesn't affect the user display at all, the second is the one that matters.
Zoro for now is in the first case. That's nothing impressive since any Scabbard (or any character comparable in power) could make the same if they had CoC since all of them can wound Kaido. Togen Totsuka of them did more damage to Kaido than Zoro's Ashura by far, but they couldn't make him more ugly forever. That's the only difference.


Normal CoC without hitting = a "mental" attack
Normal CoC by hitting = a "physical" attack, Luffy vs Doffy, etc used this unconsciously.
What's so difficult to get lmao?

Except normal CoC by hitting doesn't boost your damage output in the slightest. It is only affecting the surroundings by a shockwave as a result.

 

[mly90]

Absolutely no way Asura isn't some form of AdCoC.

Asura itself isn't CoC related ability Zoro unkowingly infused his ashura with adc CoC when he scarred Kaido
Scary to even imagine what he will be capable of once he masters this ability and an use it at will

 

[PurpleSwordsman]

Except normal CoC by hitting doesn't boost your damage output in the slightest. It is only affecting the surroundings by a shockwave as a result.

Irrelevant, that's not the point (and probably it does, since this was probably retconed, since we never had any explanation as for why Luffy vs Doffy vs Chinjao released CoC in their physical clashes).
The point is that CoC is what is needed to block Kaido's regeneration.