General & Others Do the Gorosei believe the celestial Dragon propaganda?

[ImmaIvanoM]

1086 brought up something most readers probably haven’t thought about. Are the Gorosei also racists?

In case you haven’t been in the online community a long time, before Wano, there was a prevalent theory that the Gorosei aren’t even Celestial dragons. Simply because the Gorosei didn’t act particularly racist towards the admirals, who are humans.

Now we have this situation where not only are the Gorosei celestial dragons, they are seemingly the most dogmatic ones with the kind of religious reverence they have for Imu.

And we also have Figarland Garling, who seems strong and not a bumbling idiot like the common celestial dragons, but he’s a racist. And since he’s the leader of the Holy Knights, we assume all the Holy knights are also racists.

We all assumed the Gorosei are Genocidal Totalitarians of course but do we also assume they also look at Akainu as some lower life form like Garland and the other celestial do?

 

[Moegara]

Of course they are.

 

[grey matter]

I think Gorosei are mostly reasonable individuals, but ultimately bow to Imu. They aren't past violence if lines are crossed, but they give the vibe that they want to maintain peace and order otherwise.

The are definitely far more reasonable and humane than the trash CDs like Charlos.

I think the reason this is the case is because I predict that Gorosei are also original kings (they haven't aged since 20+ years), so they existed before the nonsense about celestial dragons not being humans started getting hold.
Point being, they probably had normal upbringing, so act more like typical monarchs rather than overgrown spoiled brats like Charlos.
For instance, they wanted to test the weapon on some sea, and offered some resistance to the idea of testing the weapon where many humans lived. They also expressed regret towards Ohara and what they are about to do to vegapunk, even though ultimately they do take the decision for their self interest

 

[Lurko]

Do any of you have the first clue about he ways of the outside world? The Celestial Dragons are Gods! A country like this, one with no ties to the World Government... You have no human rights!"​

-Aramaki, Chapter 1054​

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Y

 

[Garp the Fist]

Yes.

Their role requires them to talk to humans a bit more and they are political enough to hide their feelings, but I think they do consider themselves superior to anyone who isn’t a Celestial Dragon.

It might not be a virulent hatred of sub human trash or whatever Garling said, but I do think the Gorosei believe themselves part of a superior race.

 

[Just a member]

Since the gorosei are probably immortal, at least very very long life, like Im it can be speculated they are the ones, or Im, who come up with the CD propaganda (CD are gods etc. etc.). The common CDs are born with it, raised with it and of course are totally fine with it, bar some rare exceptions.

Then the gorosei have also the responsibility to rule, they are not spoiled bums who do nothing all day like the CD. They actually rule and so if an individual has value they respect him as long as they need to (Akainu is a very string character but who is not brainwashed like Kuma so they have to treat him like an human being)(also if they treated admirals like trash that would dehype the admirals a bit too much and that goes against Oda hype agenda where everything is grey).

 

[Kiri D Bachi]

I think the reason this is the case is because I predict that Gorosei are also original kings

I wouldn't bet on it. They seem to lack some bits of knowledge about the ancient past, while Imu knows a lot more than them (if they were contemporaries their knowledge would have been the same).

 

[grey matter]

I wouldn't bet on it. They seem to lack some bits of knowledge about the ancient past, while Imu knows a lot more than them (if they were contemporaries their knowledge would have been the same).

Yeah, I've thought about this too. It's definitely the most compelling counter argument to then being the original Kings.

I was just thinking of them being OG Kings as a possible explanation of their reasonable behavior for the most part

I'd still guess then being centuries old though. Maybe each time WG got ope DF, they operated it on the strongest celestial dragon alive at the time, to give them immortality?

 

[Sir Yasheen]

The gorosei call Imu an original Celestial Dragon the creator of the world. Yes the gorosei see the CDs as above normal humans

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

I think Gorosei are mostly reasonable individuals, but ultimately bow to Imu. They aren't past violence if lines are crossed, but they give the vibe that they want to maintain peace and order otherwise.

The are definitely far more reasonable and humane than the trash CDs like Charlos.

I think the reason this is the case is because I predict that Gorosei are also original kings (they haven't aged since 20+ years), so they existed before the nonsense about celestial dragons not being humans started getting hold.
Point being, they probably had normal upbringing, so act more like typical monarchs rather than overgrown spoiled brats like Charlos.
For instance, they wanted to test the weapon on some sea, and offered some resistance to the idea of testing the weapon where many humans lived. They also expressed regret towards Ohara and what they are about to do to vegapunk, even though ultimately they do take the decision for their self interest

But are they racists tho… is the question

 

[ClovenHoofClown]

I think their "faith"/belief varies.

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We don't have enough information to come to any decisive conclusions, but a scuffed example of what I mean is...

Im: Use the weapon on Lulusia.
Mercury: But there are lots of innocent people there.
Im: I don't care (or something like that iirc)
Mars: We must do as the creator wishes.
Ju Peter: But why Lulusia?

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Whether they believe in the propaganda or not, they aren't as equally unquestioning in their faith, even if only by a smidgen of a difference.

 

[Boing]

Based on their conversation with Clover and a few other scenes, they're able to hold some high regard for normal folks.

 

[grey matter]

But are they racists tho… is the question

No. I'm fairly certain they know they're humans unlike the regular clowns amongst CDs

But, I'm also sure they have the pride/demeanor that is typically expected from monarchs. Like when they said to Akainu to stop talking back and his pride doesn't matter to them.

 

[Mohammad211]

Yes and No
they probably only respect strong people but i don't think they even care about other lower ranking CDs that aren't strong (like Garling)

 

[Date]

They probably think themselfs as being superior, but not from the perspective of the other Celestials of being better than humans, but as a way to keep rulling the world.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

No. I'm fairly certain they know they're humans unlike the regular clowns amongst CDs

But, I'm also sure they have the pride/demeanor that is typically expected from monarchs. Like when they said to Akainu to stop talking back and his pride doesn't matter to them.

But Garling isn’t a regular clown yet he’s chief racist

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Yes they just follow Im blindly despite their suggestion. They were ok with casually talking off genocide and followed with no second thought.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

I guess it’s been answered, the definitely believe they are a superior race

 

[straightforward]

it seems the gorosei are from a race that can't reproduce. otherwise it makes little sense for saturn to put so much emphasis on this trait

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

it seems the gorosei are from a race that can't reproduce. otherwise it makes little sense for saturn to put so much emphasis on this trait

He’s just saying that celestial dragons aren’t animalistic in their reproducing…

in case you didn’t know, Racists tend to call people in the “inferior races” animals based on their reproductive tendencies all the time… look up where the term “stud” comes from