Questions & Mysteries Do you guys truly believe Enma has Odens haki?
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If you want to debate whether Enma is special, that's fine with me.
But in such a case, Enma will be special because of his ability to absorb the user's Haki of his own volition, something that has been explained to us and something that we have seen in the first person when Zoro's arm is diminished.
Of course Oden's Haki has nothing to do with Enma.
But in such a case, Enma will be special because of his ability to absorb the user's Haki of his own volition, something that has been explained to us and something that we have seen in the first person when Zoro's arm is diminished.
Of course Oden's Haki has nothing to do with Enma.
Except it doesn't say that and like every other Zoro hater you also enjoy making up random stuff up just like the other idiots
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Where does it state "Enma uses Oden's Haki" I really want to see this panel
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Can you please post the panel where it says "Enma has Oden's haki"
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Where does it state "Enma uses Oden's Haki" I really want to see this panel
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Yeah Enma has Odens haki in that's where Zoro's conquerors haki comes from
Again, refer to Rayleigh's explanation of haki, "presence" is just another term for haki.
What Kawamatsu said in 953 only further confirms that Oden's haki is in the sword since haki and the soul are connected.
Nobody ever denied it takes the wielders haki, the problem is you pretending that that's all it does when we clearly know different
Kaido literally states he senses "strange haki" from the sword, and then proceeds to question why he senses Oden's "presence" in it, it's really not complicated, the implication here is that Oden's haki is in the sword.
What Kawamatsu said in 953 only further confirms that Oden's haki is in the sword since haki and the soul are connected.
Nobody ever denied it takes the wielders haki, the problem is you pretending that that's all it does when we clearly know different
Kaido literally states he senses "strange haki" from the sword, and then proceeds to question why he senses Oden's "presence" in it, it's really not complicated, the implication here is that Oden's haki is in the sword.
Technically when Oden fought Kaido for all the marbles, his Haki was being sucked by Enma at final battle levels.
Therefore Enma should still have Oden's Haki from the fight since Oden was blindsided.
Unless Enma was used by anyone else, Oden's Haki should have matured within Enma for the last 20 years...
At the very least you can say Oden's "Spirit" is in Enma.
Therefore Enma should still have Oden's Haki from the fight since Oden was blindsided.
Unless Enma was used by anyone else, Oden's Haki should have matured within Enma for the last 20 years...
At the very least you can say Oden's "Spirit" is in Enma.
Nope, he talks about Oden's prescence first after the Hiryu Kaen and then talks about strange haki when Zoro is charging up Tatsumaki after which he concludes that it was Odens sword. Which explains what he's talking about since Zoro was indeed charging up Tatsumaki with overflowing COA on Enma just like Oden did back when he wielded it. The comment could easily be interpreted as being about the strange amounts of overflowing COA that the wielder feeds to Enma.
And the prescence comment is nothing conclusive, especially when we know for a fact that Oden's spirit lives through the sword. You have zero proof that Enma can store haki or even have anyone else's haki other than the current wielder's.
And the prescence comment is nothing conclusive, especially when we know for a fact that Oden's spirit lives through the sword. You have zero proof that Enma can store haki or even have anyone else's haki other than the current wielder's.
There are many interpretations to what Kaido said, my interpretation of it is just as valid as yours is.
Saying the sword doesn't contain Oden's haki isn't any more conclusive than saying it does.
Regardless, you're indirectly admitting that it does contain his haki when you say it contains his spirit, since spirit is literally haki.
Again, there are multiple terms for haki and the "spirit" or "soul" literally are the users haki.
Saying the sword doesn't contain Oden's haki isn't any more conclusive than saying it does.
Regardless, you're indirectly admitting that it does contain his haki when you say it contains his spirit, since spirit is literally haki.
No it isn't, your interpretation needs to mix up the order of the statements that Kaidou talks about inorder to hold water. Mine doesn't.
That's like saying a df user can swim and talking about how it is inconclusive since we dont have evidence of it. That isn't how it works. Prove that Enma can store the previous wielders haki first since you made the argument that it does.
Another disingenous argument. Haki being similar to spirit, will, prescence in general does not mean that everytime someone uses those terms they are talking about Haki. Rayleigh was teaching a novice about Haki.
Meanwhile, you would expect someone with extreme levels of Haki mastery like Kaidou, who even lives by the statement that Haki surpasses all, to instantly recognize Oden's Haki if he senses it and make a conclusive statement about it instead of talking about it in vague terms like "prescence", "spirit" etc,.
Also Kaidou also commented that the Scabbards use "Oden's Ryou" in the chapter where the raid starts or the chapter after that. Does that mean the Scabbards can use Oden's Haki too Lol?
That's like saying a df user can swim and talking about how it is inconclusive since we dont have evidence of it. That isn't how it works. Prove that Enma can store the previous wielders haki first since you made the argument that it does.
Regardless, you're indirectly admitting that it does contain his haki when you say it contains his spirit, since spirit is literally haki.
Again, there are multiple terms for haki and the "spirit" or "soul" literally are the users haki.
Meanwhile, you would expect someone with extreme levels of Haki mastery like Kaidou, who even lives by the statement that Haki surpasses all, to instantly recognize Oden's Haki if he senses it and make a conclusive statement about it instead of talking about it in vague terms like "prescence", "spirit" etc,.
Also Kaidou also commented that the Scabbards use "Oden's Ryou" in the chapter where the raid starts or the chapter after that. Does that mean the Scabbards can use Oden's Haki too Lol?
I never mixed up any order of statements, I didn't care about their order because it wasn't important to my argument.
What kind of shitty false comparison is this? What suggests devil fruit users can swim? Absolutely nothing whereas the opposite has plenty of evidence. What suggests Oden's haki is in Enma? Plenty, as I've pointed out.
Prove that it can't contain Oden's haki, nowhere has it been said that it's incapable of doing so
It can contain Oden's "spirit", as you pointed out and "spirit" is literally just haki.
"Similar", now you're just making yourself look like a clown, spirit is haki you dumbass, ironic since you were just talking about me being disingenuous.
Oda obviously intends for it to be vague, he hasn't definitively said it does or doesn't contain Oden's haki
And we don't need Kaido to be explicit when we've already been told by Rayleigh that spirit and presence both refer to haki.
Yes, keep making false equivalences to support your sinking argument, we clearly know that Kaido's referring to Oden's usage of "Ryuo", as in, Oden's technique with CoA and not that they're using Oden's haki, I'm sure you're aware of this but are just grasping at straws.
What kind of shitty false comparison is this? What suggests devil fruit users can swim? Absolutely nothing whereas the opposite has plenty of evidence. What suggests Oden's haki is in Enma? Plenty, as I've pointed out.
Prove that it can't contain Oden's haki, nowhere has it been said that it's incapable of doing so
It can contain Oden's "spirit", as you pointed out and "spirit" is literally just haki.
"Similar", now you're just making yourself look like a clown, spirit is haki you dumbass, ironic since you were just talking about me being disingenuous.
Oda obviously intends for it to be vague, he hasn't definitively said it does or doesn't contain Oden's haki
And we don't need Kaido to be explicit when we've already been told by Rayleigh that spirit and presence both refer to haki.
Yes, keep making false equivalences to support your sinking argument, we clearly know that Kaido's referring to Oden's usage of "Ryuo", as in, Oden's technique with CoA and not that they're using Oden's haki, I'm sure you're aware of this but are just grasping at straws.
Zoro fans back to swearing and cussing out anyone who disagrees with them over stated facts. It only took them like 2 chapters.
When Kaido says "What is the source of that strange Haki? Why do I sense Oden's presence?", what does that mean?
Obviously Zoro is using his own Haki, but that there are some remnants of Oden's Haki there there it's unquestionable.
When Kaido says "What is the source of that strange Haki? Why do I sense Oden's presence?", what does that mean?
Obviously Zoro is using his own Haki, but that there are some remnants of Oden's Haki there there it's unquestionable.
The literal definition of twisting a narrative
Again what Kawamatsu said was literally not that
You are literally denying it because you keep mentioning Enma has Oden's Haki
It is complicated for you because again it literally does not say Enma has Oden's haki but proceed about how "kaido sensing a strange aura" or rayleigh mentioning "presence" from your POV means manga said Enma has Oden's haki
Again what Kawamatsu said was literally not that
You are literally denying it because you keep mentioning Enma has Oden's Haki
It is complicated for you because again it literally does not say Enma has Oden's haki but proceed about how "kaido sensing a strange aura" or rayleigh mentioning "presence" from your POV means manga said Enma has Oden's haki
