Questions & Mysteries Do you guys truly believe Enma has Odens haki?

[Violent Sanji]

Do you truly believe this crap? Or do you just want to troll?

Hitetsu explained that Enma would suck out the owners own haki not that it would contain odens haki.

It has his presence.

 

[SkySanji]

You: Makes up random shit

Also you: You can't accept my random shit I make up as canon hold this L

It doesn't matter what arguments or evidence I present, you'll still deny it because you're just in denial

Blame Oda for making Zoro need Oden's haki to extreme diff a YC1
:saden::saden::saden:

 

[stealthblack]

It was revealed in sbs that the will of the previous users carries on

 

[bennbeckman]

It doesn't matter what arguments or evidence I present, you'll still deny it because you're just in denial

Blame Oda for making Zoro need Oden's haki to extreme diff a YC1
:saden::saden::saden:

You: Presents literally no evidence of "Enma having Oden's Haki"

Also you: It's your fault for not believing in the evidence I presented that isn't evidence

 

[SkySanji]

You: Presents literally no evidence of "Enma having Oden's Haki"

Also you: It's your fault for not believing in the evidence I presented that isn't evidence

I presented plenty of evidence, you're just so in denial that you can't see it

 

[bennbeckman]

Yes, it's literally stated that it does, only Zbois want to keep being in denial and pretend it doesn't.

"It literally stated it does" your quote that you cannot back up because it never says this in the manga

Also you: I will find words that dont say that and say that is evidence

Your theory in reality is Oden died and somehow someway his Haki magically stayed in Enma this whole time and will always stay in enma

 

[SkySanji]

It literally stated it does

Also you: I will find words that dont say that and say that is evidence

Your theory in reality is Oden died and somehow someway his Haki magically stayed in Enma this whole time and will always stay in enma

• Kaido > "Oden's presence exists in Enma"
• Rayleigh > Explains that "presence" is just another term for haki

Yes, literally stated
:holdthisl::holdthisl::holdthisl::holdthisl:

 

[JoNdule]

Denying Oden's presence/ haki isn't inside Enma is dumb

Kaido won't call Zoro's haki "strange " and say it's because it is Oden's presence inside the sword

 

[Finalbeta]

Oden's memories

 

[Mackiss]

Your take is subjective

The objective take is "That must be Oden's sword"

No where does Kaido say Enma has Oden's Haki

If its not Oden's haki then its enma's own haki?

 

[Galahad]

If its not Oden's haki then its enma's own haki?

No, it's a "cursed" sword.

 

[bennbeckman]

If its not Oden's haki then its enma's own haki?

I am still awaiting an answer where in the manga is directly quotes Enma is Oden's Haki, since you all use "manga facts"

Or it's the haki of the user... if only there was a direct quote in the chapter of someone saying those exact words "exudes its wielder's ryou on its own"

 

[Mackiss]

No, it's a "cursed" sword.

This is extremely subjective and can be a lot of things

I am still awaiting an answer where in the manga is directly quotes Enma is Oden's Haki, since you all use "manga facts"

Or it's the haki of the user... if only there was a direct quote in the chapter of someone saying those exact words "exudes its wielder's ryou on its own"

I know enma exude its user's ryou, the question is why Kaido felt Oden's presence or at least some difference in this sword.

Enma exude users ryuo and Oden was an enma user.

 

[Galahad]

This is extremely subjective and can be a lot of things.

There is nothing subjective about it.

- We know that Enma is a "cursed" sword.
- We know that "cursed" swords have special auras.
- Zoro was already shown to be able to sense Sandai Kitetsu's curse even without seeing it in Water Seven.
- Then it is perfectly normal that Kaido who already fought against Enma recognizes her, because of her aura.
- It also justifies that Big Mom feels something strange, the "curse".

It is that everything is perfectly explained, there is not a single loose end. It is 1000 times better than Oden's Haki explanation which has 5-6 major gaps.

Between something known that explains everything and something unknown that has many gaps, I think it is obvious where the subjectivity lies.

 

[bennbeckman]

Kaido confirmed that enma has oden's haki, we just know the information, there's nothing to believe in

I dont think you know Enma uses its users ryou or you wouldnt be literally writing "Enma has Oden's haki"

 

[Black]

It has his presence.

Yes but not his haki though

 

[bennbeckman]

52 to 11... lol

 

[Finalbeta]

Looks like all swords are conceived as living objects capable to store memories so it might feel like someone who is dead is being re-evoked

 

[Kozuki TVU]

Nope Enma drains Zoro's haki but idk why haki from enma is different from other Swords

Because it drains it in large amounts, with no intent from the weilder...

Think about Luffy running out of haki with G4... He needs to rest to be able to output more haki
But Enma would keep sucking his haki until he died